Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Joohan]

When your great-grandfather bled in the trenches so all these non-interventionists could spread their drivel.

Smh

the continued militarized dickery of the perfidious German Empire

smh my head

French and British Empires whistle innocently in the background

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

>TFW your great-great granduncle died of the Spanish Flu for 'Murica to prevent the continued militarized dickery of the perfidious German Empire only for non-interventionists to backhandedly support Willie's March to Paris

smh my head

When your great-grandfather bled in the trenches so all these non-interventionists could spread their drivel.

Smh

I wonder how many people as a percentage have WW1 veterans in their ancestry.

My great-grandfather was a WWI veteran, my grandfather was a WWII veteran, and my father served in the Navy, albeit during peacetime.

[Conserative Morality]

The perpetual, existential grimdark despair of randomly dying at any moment as a helpless sitting duck in a trench spanning for hundreds of miles from a spur-of-the-moment artillery barrage, gas attack, or disease certainly beats out the tried-and-true good versus evil plotline we've seen so many times.

>> when you have to brutally murder the guy across from you for no good reason with full knowledge that he is nothing but a poor soul just like yourself, a good soul at heart with no malice, just forced into an inhuman machine for reasons even the machine's controllers do not fully understand

"Take twenty years of my life, comrade, and stand up—take more, for I do not know what I can even attempt to do with it now."

[Joohan]

Why with the annexing latin America schtick?

The USA is waaaay better off without that mess. Sure, they've got natural resources galore - they've also got criminal violence on par with most the most ruthless terrorist organizations, corruption at every level of government that has generations of precedent, strong nationalist and ethnic divisions, and a culture ( political, social, and economic ) quite different from our own. It would be a massive net loss for the US if we were to try integrate these nations.

Far better seize their resources through the already established means of trade.

[Nova Cyberia]

Why with the annexing latin America schtick?

The USA is waaaay better off without that mess. Sure, they've got natural resources galore - they've also got criminal violence on par with most the most ruthless terrorist organizations, corruption at every level of government that has generations of precedent, strong nationalist and ethnic divisions, and a culture ( political, social, and economic ) quite different from our own. It would be a massive net loss for the US if we were to try integrate these nations.

Far better seize their resources through the already established means of trade.

Not all of Latin America. Just Mexico.

And the idea of Mexican annexation gets brought up because it was something that very nearly did happen following the Mexican-Americam War. Just an interesting potential for alt-history, I suppose.

[Joohan]

Why with the annexing latin America schtick?

The USA is waaaay better off without that mess. Sure, they've got natural resources galore - they've also got criminal violence on par with most the most ruthless terrorist organizations, corruption at every level of government that has generations of precedent, strong nationalist and ethnic divisions, and a culture ( political, social, and economic ) quite different from our own. It would be a massive net loss for the US if we were to try integrate these nations.

Far better seize their resources through the already established means of trade.

Not all of Latin America. Just Mexico.

And the idea of Mexican annexation gets brought up because it was something that very nearly did happen following the Mexican-Americam War. Just an interesting potential for alt-history, I suppose.

They still have all the aforementioned problems.

[Novus America]

At any given point in American history annexing Mexico would have meant discriminating against large chunks of their population and dealing with multiple armed uprisings because who likes being conquered by yanquis?

I don't get it. Are uprisings that would never succeed supposed to be a deal breaker?

And anyway, I'd rather we extend citizenship to all formerly Mexican citizens.

Well if Mexico was retained as a state or Commonwealth (at least one of those states or Commonwealths coming out of it would be called Mexico, actually “Mexico” is not a sovereign country the name is the United Mexican States, only one (well two kind of counting Mexico City) said states is called Mexico) those there would still be Mexican citizens
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States AND of the State wherein they reside.”

[Nova Cyberia]

Not all of Latin America. Just Mexico.

And the idea of Mexican annexation gets brought up because it was something that very nearly did happen following the Mexican-Americam War. Just an interesting potential for alt-history, I suppose.

They still have all the aforementioned problems.

Mexican crime problems very much come from the fact that their police are rather drastically underfunded, probably due to a lack of government willingness to increase police funding due to cartel influence.

[Novus America]

Without the French the British could not do much.
And even delaying the British entry would have been a huge benefit to them.

The nitrates helped, but avoiding fighting France would have helped even more.
Without the costs.

France wasn't really the problem. Britain was. German military superiority over the French had been proven back during the Franco-Prussian War.

Without France British troops could not attack Germany via France though. Britain would be largely limited to sea actions.

[Novus America]

Not all of Latin America. Just Mexico.

And the idea of Mexican annexation gets brought up because it was something that very nearly did happen following the Mexican-Americam War. Just an interesting potential for alt-history, I suppose.

They still have all the aforementioned problems.

Which can be fixed. The US simply is not big enough population wise to compete with India and China long term.
And we have less land than Russia.
We need to be bigger to survive the new world.

[Torrocca]

the continued militarized dickery of the perfidious German Empire

smh my head

French and British Empires whistle innocently in the background

Arming all the colonized lands to sorely BTFO all the empires of the era would've truly been a most noble endeavor.

The perpetual, existential grimdark despair of randomly dying at any moment as a helpless sitting duck in a trench spanning for hundreds of miles from a spur-of-the-moment artillery barrage, gas attack, or disease certainly beats out the tried-and-true good versus evil plotline we've seen so many times.

>> when you have to brutally murder the guy across from you for no good reason with full knowledge that he is nothing but a poor soul just like yourself, a good soul at heart with no malice, just forced into an inhuman machine for reasons even the machine's controllers do not fully understand

"Take twenty years of my life, comrade, and stand up—take more, for I do not know what I can even attempt to do with it now."

>TFW you have to leave the false safety of your trench to cross No-Man's Land through barbed wire, the corpses of the men from the last three divisions of men that tried crossing, mud that'll suck you into the earth, a constant spray of machine gun fire, artillery, and gas only to bayonet some poor bastard in the other trench before dying

[Thermodolia]

Without the French the British could not do much.
And even delaying the British entry would have been a huge benefit to them.

The nitrates helped, but avoiding fighting France would have helped even more.
Without the costs.

France wasn't really the problem. Britain was. German military superiority over the French had been proven back during the Franco-Prussian War.

Looks like you forgot about a little war called WWI. The French held strong in Verdun and several other areas. The only reason why they lost in WW2 was because a long shot gamble that nobody thought possible was a success.

If the German drive through the Ardennes was a failure WW2 would have become trench warfare 2.0 Electric Boogaloo

[Nova Cyberia]

They still have all the aforementioned problems.

Which can be fixed. The US simply is not big enough population wise to compete with India and China long term.
And we have less land than Russia.
We

Most of Russia's land is worthless, though. There's a reason the Russian Empire was always trying to expand further into Eastern Europe. They needed resources, fertile land and warm-water ports.

[Nova Cyberia]

France wasn't really the problem. Britain was. German military superiority over the French had been proven back during the Franco-Prussian War.

Looks like you forgot about a little war called WWI. The French held strong in Verdun and several other areas. The only reason why they lost in WW2 was because a long shot gamble that nobody thought possible was a success

The French still would have lost had they not had British support.

[Thermodolia]

Looks like you forgot about a little war called WWI. The French held strong in Verdun and several other areas. The only reason why they lost in WW2 was because a long shot gamble that nobody thought possible was a success

The French still would have lost had they not had British support.

The French had the largest army in Europe. The French military was larger than the British military by millions. The French has the best military too. The German military got lucky. Really fucking lucky.

[Novus America]

Which can be fixed. The US simply is not big enough population wise to compete with India and China long term.
And we have less land than Russia.
We

Most of Russia's land is worthless, though. There's a reason the Russian Empire was always trying to expand further into Eastern Europe. They needed resources, fertile land and warm-weather ports.

Sure, but still being only third place in population and tied for 3/4 in land mass makes it very hard for us to stay the top power.

[Nova Cyberia]

The French still would have lost had they not had British support.

The French had the largest army in Europe. The French military was larger than the British military by millions. The French has the best military too. The German military got lucky. Really fucking lucky.

I thought we were talking about WW1?

[Nova Cyberia]

Most of Russia's land is worthless, though. There's a reason the Russian Empire was always trying to expand further into Eastern Europe. They needed resources, fertile land and warm-weather ports.

Sure, but still being only third place in population and tied for 3/4 in land mass makes it very hard for us to stay the top power.

Please. Russia has a smaller population and a weaker economy. They may be a great power, but they will never surpass us.

[Thermodolia]

The French had the largest army in Europe. The French military was larger than the British military by millions. The French has the best military too. The German military got lucky. Really fucking lucky.

I thought we were talking about WW1?

My comment was talking about both.

[Thermodolia]

Sure, but still being only third place in population and tied for 3/4 in land mass makes it very hard for us to stay the top power.

Please. Russia has a smaller population and a weaker economy. They may be a great power, but they will never surpass us.

This kind of think is dangerous. To assume that the US will always be #1 is falling into the trap of complacency

[Novus America]

Sure, but still being only third place in population and tied for 3/4 in land mass makes it very hard for us to stay the top power.

Please. Russia has a smaller population and a weaker economy. They may be a great power, but they will never surpass us.

Obviously Russia will not surpass us. As you note they simply do not have the population.

But China will.
But if we had more land than China, it would help.

[Nova Cyberia]

I thought we were talking about WW1?

My comment was talking about both.

I was only talking about WW1.

[Nova Cyberia]

Please. Russia has a smaller population and a weaker economy. They may be a great power, but they will never surpass us.

Obviously Russia will not surpass us. As you note they simply do not have the population.

But China will.
But if we had more land than China, it would help.

China certainly could, yes. Some day.

But as it stands now their economy is a bubble waiting to burst.

[Thermodolia]

Please. Russia has a smaller population and a weaker economy. They may be a great power, but they will never surpass us.

Obviously Russia will not surpass us. As you note they simply do not have the population.

But China will.
But if we had more land than China, it would help.

Depending on what chart you look at we do. We are either number 3 or 4 by land area in some lists. Either way China and the US are roughly the same size.

Though this is just more of a reason to annex Canada

[Novus America]

Obviously Russia will not surpass us. As you note they simply do not have the population.

But China will.
But if we had more land than China, it would help.

China certainly could, yes. Some day.

But as it stands now their economy is a bubble waiting to burst.

Their debt bubble bursting is not something should not rely on though. And something we should make burst faster.