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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Jack Thomas Lang
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Tue May 07, 2019 4:36 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:I don't think Jeff Bezos is part of a deeply and legally embedded military aristocracy within the national army, though I could, of course, be wrong. In any case, my point is that 'the establishment' was not against Hitler - 'the establishment' insofar as there was anything that could be regarded as an establishment, was firmly with him - the Centre Party, the DNVP, et co - all supported his bid because they thought they would get something out of it.

Zentrum didn't "Support his bid" in order to get something out of it, Zentrum helped pass the Enabling Act because they felt threatened by Hitler and the Nazis, and feared reprisals if they refused to vote for it. Ludwig Kaas described the vote so;

"On the one hand we must preserve our soul, but on the other hand a rejection of the Enabling Act would result in unpleasant consequences for faction and party. What is left is only to guard us against the worst. Were a two-thirds majority not obtained, the government's plans would be carried through by other means. The President has acquiesced in the Enabling Act. From the DNVP no attempt of relieving the situation is to be expected"

Suggesting that Zentrum was "firmly" with Hitler is nothing short of slander. They campaigned against him, and were heavily split on the Enabling Act. Alas once Hitler took over more fully, any guarantees respecting the rights of the Church and Catholics were quickly forgotten, and a lot of Zentrum members were discriminated upon by the Nazis.

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 4:42 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Zentrum didn't "Support his bid" in order to get something out of it, Zentrum helped pass the Enabling Act because they felt threatened by Hitler and the Nazis, and feared reprisals if they refused to vote for it. Ludwig Kaas described the vote so;

"On the one hand we must preserve our soul, but on the other hand a rejection of the Enabling Act would result in unpleasant consequences for faction and party. What is left is only to guard us against the worst. Were a two-thirds majority not obtained, the government's plans would be carried through by other means. The President has acquiesced in the Enabling Act. From the DNVP no attempt of relieving the situation is to be expected"

Suggesting that Zentrum was "firmly" with Hitler is nothing short of slander. They campaigned against him, and were heavily split on the Enabling Act. Alas once Hitler took over more fully, any guarantees respecting the rights of the Church and Catholics were quickly forgotten, and a lot of Zentrum members were discriminated upon by the Nazis.

Oh, please. The justifications offered by a party which had offered several times in the past to form a coalition government with the Nazis have no weight. They disdained the Weimar Republic just the same as the NSDAP and DNVP; they only had a different view of what it should strive to be, and were an active part in causing the situation that ended with the Nazis running a campaign of terror in the streets and forming a coalition government with the DNVP. That they folded when the chips were up means nothing other than that they were cowards to the last.

The Centre Party were sniveling cowards, and deserve to be remember as sniveling cowards.
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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue May 07, 2019 4:43 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:He is.

"His company has military contracts" = "is part of a deeply and legally embedded military aristocracy"

... okay.

you naively speak as if those two are not synonymous these days.

Bezos has a lot of clout within the military whether you care to admit it or not.
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Bear Stearns
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue May 07, 2019 4:44 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:"His company has military contracts" = "is part of a deeply and legally embedded military aristocracy"

... okay.

you naively speak as if those two are not synonymous these days.

Bezos has a lot of clout within the military whether you care to admit it or not.


Not to mention he's been growing a media empire, which is totally not a self-interested move for him as Amazon starts to come under more public scrutiny. He just really has a love for journalism.
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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue May 07, 2019 4:45 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:you naively speak as if those two are not synonymous these days.

Bezos has a lot of clout within the military whether you care to admit it or not.


Not to mention he's been growing a media empire, which is totally not a self-interested move for him as Amazon starts to come under more public scrutiny. He just really has a love for journalism.

can you remember the last time the Washington Post criticized Amazon?

me neither.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 4:46 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Not to mention he's been growing a media empire, which is totally not a self-interested move for him as Amazon starts to come under more public scrutiny. He just really has a love for journalism.

can you remember the last time the Washington Post criticized Amazon?

me neither.

One day ago.
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Bear Stearns
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue May 07, 2019 4:48 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:"His company has military contracts" = "is part of a deeply and legally embedded military aristocracy"

... okay.

you naively speak as if those two are not synonymous these days.

Bezos has a lot of clout within the military whether you care to admit it or not.


Amazon has sort of discretely become one of the biggest lobbyists in Washington overnight.
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Bear Stearns
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Capitalizt

Postby Bear Stearns » Tue May 07, 2019 4:48 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:can you remember the last time the Washington Post criticized Amazon?

me neither.

One day ago.


Paywall. I can't confirm how critical this really is.
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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue May 07, 2019 4:49 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:One day ago.


Paywall. I can't confirm how critical this really is.

conveniently enough
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 4:50 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:One day ago.


Paywall. I can't confirm how critical this really is.

Open it in incognito mode.
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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue May 07, 2019 4:51 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Paywall. I can't confirm how critical this really is.

Open it in incognito mode.

idk about him but I'm posting from my phone so... yeah.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 4:52 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:idk about him but I'm posting from my phone so... yeah.

Most phone browsers have incognito mode. Furthermore, if your's doesn't for some godforsaken reason, then wait 'til you get home to open it. I mean, Christ, it's not that hard.
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Bear Stearns
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue May 07, 2019 5:00 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Paywall. I can't confirm how critical this really is.

Open it in incognito mode.


Okay, that worked. And I gave it a read. It was sufficiently critical, to my surprise.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 07, 2019 5:21 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:can you remember the last time the Washington Post criticized Amazon?

me neither.

One day ago.


Idk why people ever buy that sorta shit. Maybe I'm just stupidly paranoid but I never liked Alexa.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 5:24 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:One day ago.


Idk why people ever buy that sorta shit. Maybe I'm just stupidly paranoid but I never liked Alexa.

My friend has one of those Google things, the only thing I've ever seen it's good for is asking it stupid shit it couldn't possibly answer or making it make animal noises so the dog freaks out.

Me: "Hey Google, what sound does a cat make?"
Google: [Cat Meow]
[Dog's ears go up, searches desperately for cat]
MRW
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue May 07, 2019 5:43 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:One day ago.


Idk why people ever buy that sorta shit. Maybe I'm just stupidly paranoid but I never liked Alexa.


This reminds me of when I was in middle school, and I modified my laptop so that the Conspiracy (which I was certain was out to get me) couldn't hack the built-in-microphone and webcam.
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Hammer Britannia
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue May 07, 2019 5:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:One day ago.


Idk why people ever buy that sorta shit. Maybe I'm just stupidly paranoid but I never liked Alexa.

Yeah, Alexa is all fun and games until it's in your house.

Then you get suspicious looking people at your front door advertising very personal products
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Beggnig
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Postby Beggnig » Tue May 07, 2019 5:49 pm

This discussion is double plus un-happy, Telescreen play Oceania 'Tis for Thee

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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 07, 2019 6:08 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:One day ago.


Idk why people ever buy that sorta shit. Maybe I'm just stupidly paranoid but I never liked Alexa.


I've never wanted one, but there's one at my house since my mom has one. It's mostly a novelty, tbh, unless you have something connected to it like a smart TV or smart lights or some other bullshit.
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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 6:37 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Idk why people ever buy that sorta shit. Maybe I'm just stupidly paranoid but I never liked Alexa.

My friend has one of those Google things, the only thing I've ever seen it's good for is asking it stupid shit it couldn't possibly answer or making it make animal noises so the dog freaks out.

Me: "Hey Google, what sound does a cat make?"
Google: [Cat Meow]
[Dog's ears go up, searches desperately for cat]
MRW

I’ve heard it’s not a good idea if you have small children because they’ve [the children] put on some inappropriate songs, sometimes by accident. I disable voice assistants on my devices anyway.
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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 6:40 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I accidentally put nazi instead of fascist if thats what you mean.


I also never called you a racist, that was all you.

Neoreactionaries and fascists are a lot of common ground, mostly ultranationalistic anti-democracy. You make natural allies.

Natural allies are different from the same. Also not all fascists are evil or bad or racist. I just disagree with them for their economics. A commie would call them state capitalists or whatever- to me their still pseudo-socialists.
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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue May 07, 2019 8:35 pm

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Is Orthodox Agitation Propaganda against the Ancient Romano-Hellenistic religions any different from Catholic/Protestant Agitation Propaganda? I think you will find that they were one and the same for 600+ years.

Protestants didn't even come into existence until 500 or so years after the Papists split the Church; and as for the Roman Catholics; they changed a lot over those 500 years. Rome, in the first 1,000 years of Christianity was Orthodox; not the other way around - Orthodoxy was not Catholic or Protestant. Never was; never will be.

Anyways, sh*tposting aside; I'm genuinely curious; which gods do you worship?


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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 8:37 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I also never called you a racist, that was all you.

Neoreactionaries and fascists are a lot of common ground, mostly ultranationalistic anti-democracy. You make natural allies.

Natural allies are different from the same. Also not all fascists are evil or bad or racist. I just disagree with them for their economics. A commie would call them state capitalists or whatever- to me their still pseudo-socialists.

So here's a question unrelated to the previous discussion. Its for everybody, of course.

Who's interests is Trump really serving? Discuss.

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 8:39 pm

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Natural allies are different from the same. Also not all fascists are evil or bad or racist. I just disagree with them for their economics. A commie would call them state capitalists or whatever- to me their still pseudo-socialists.

So here's a question unrelated to the previous discussion. Its for everybody, of course.

Who's interests is Trump really serving? Discuss.

His own, first and foremost.
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Bienenhalde
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Bienenhalde » Tue May 07, 2019 8:55 pm

Greater Istanistan wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I was talking mainly about the old monarchists and aristocrats. They were reactionary, but not fascist.


The Fascists of Italy notably got a lot of money from Southern Italian landlords - the traditional ruling elite - to keep peasants in line. Mussolini, despite earlier being a republican, made a pretty strong alliance with the King and the monarchist bloc by protecting them from the left. It's also worth noting that Badoglio's coup against Mussolini in 43, partially instigated by the King, was intended to preserve the Fascist system with the monarch at its centre.


And then Mussolini betrayed the king and went back to supporting the leftist revolutionary republican ideology he had advocated previously.

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