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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
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11%
Act Utilitarianism
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6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Postby Benuty » Mon May 06, 2019 10:27 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Ashurism revivalist and Neo-Assyrian revanchism?

Lol...By that standard, are Globalists the most reactionary, since they can be said to take inspiration from the Tower of Babel?

Corporate globalism is hedonist degeneracy, and needs to be destroyed.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 06, 2019 10:28 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:I'm a Byzantinophile, Russophile Monarchist, and an Eastern Orthodox Christian. Does it get any more reactionary than that?

Ashurism revivalist and Neo-Assyrian revanchism?


iirc there actually is an Ashurism revival movement amongst some Assyrians, combine that with some nationalist tendencies and yeah it'd be pretty reactionary
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon May 06, 2019 10:40 am

Napkizemlja wrote:Imagine thinking you're a reactionary because you're a crypto-Hoppean classical liberal with eugenicist tendencies lmao.


Could you please explain to me what you mean?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon May 06, 2019 10:43 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Ashurism revivalist and Neo-Assyrian revanchism?


iirc there actually is an Ashurism revival movement amongst some Assyrians, combine that with some nationalist tendencies and yeah it'd be pretty reactionary

Tbh most Assyrians hate those people, who usually are the opposite of reactionary.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon May 06, 2019 10:50 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
iirc there actually is an Ashurism revival movement amongst some Assyrians, combine that with some nationalist tendencies and yeah it'd be pretty reactionary

Tbh most Assyrians hate those people, who usually are the opposite of reactionary.

How do you know, if I may ask?

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon May 06, 2019 10:53 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Tbh most Assyrians hate those people, who usually are the opposite of reactionary.

How do you know, if I may ask?

Friends with several Assyrians on FB and IRL.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon May 06, 2019 10:54 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:How do you know, if I may ask?

Friends with several Assyrians on FB and IRL.

Makes sense.

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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon May 06, 2019 11:46 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Imagine thinking you're a reactionary because you're a crypto-Hoppean classical liberal with eugenicist tendencies lmao.


Could you please explain to me what you mean?

Hoppean classical liberals with a side order of negative eugenics are not conservatives nor particularly right wing. They're just liberals that are ass-mad that not everyone thinks they can shit over less fortunate people. I actually respect socialists and communists more than them. It's even more hilarious since the systems that proper reactionaries advocated often had some system of poor relief (even if considered inadequate by our own standards). For instance, when monasteries started to close down and other charitable organizations took a downturn during Elizabethan era England, they passed a poor relief law that was to be funded by parishes levying taxes on property owners in order to care for the 'deserving' poor. They only support more reactionary forms of government because they think they universally shared the same horrendous beliefs and views.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon May 06, 2019 11:47 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
Could you please explain to me what you mean?

Hoppean classical liberals with a side order of negative eugenics are not conservatives nor particularly right wing. They're just liberals that are ass-mad that not everyone thinks they can shit over less fortunate people. I actually respect socialists and communists more than them. It's even more hilarious since the systems that proper reactionaries advocated often had some system of poor relief (even if considered inadequate by our own standards). For instance, when monasteries started to close down and other charitable organizations took a downturn during Elizabethan era England, they passed a poor relief law that was to be funded by parishes levying taxes on property owners in order to care for the 'deserving' poor. They only support more reactionary forms of government because they think they universally shared the same horrendous beliefs and views.

They should've left the Monasteries be, eh?

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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon May 06, 2019 11:54 am

Benuty wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Ashurism revivalist and Neo-Assyrian revanchism?

The only way to truly be reactionary is to be a world state.

The only way to truly be reactionary is to form a hunter-gatherer tribe, live in a cave, and make only vague grunting vocalizations. *nod*
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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon May 06, 2019 11:55 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Hoppean classical liberals with a side order of negative eugenics are not conservatives nor particularly right wing. They're just liberals that are ass-mad that not everyone thinks they can shit over less fortunate people. I actually respect socialists and communists more than them. It's even more hilarious since the systems that proper reactionaries advocated often had some system of poor relief (even if considered inadequate by our own standards). For instance, when monasteries started to close down and other charitable organizations took a downturn during Elizabethan era England, they passed a poor relief law that was to be funded by parishes levying taxes on property owners in order to care for the 'deserving' poor. They only support more reactionary forms of government because they think they universally shared the same horrendous beliefs and views.

They should've left the Monasteries be, eh?

>Tfw you fuck over one of your most important social institutions for looking after the sick and less fortunate.
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 06, 2019 11:57 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Benuty wrote:The only way to truly be reactionary is to be a world state.

The only way to truly be reactionary is to form a hunter-gatherer tribe, live in a cave, and make only vague grunting vocalizations. *nod*

Hunter-gatherer tribes are far too disorganized, and anti-reactionary for my liking.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Mon May 06, 2019 12:12 pm

Napkizemlja wrote:
Benuty wrote:The only way to truly be reactionary is to be a world state.

The only way to truly be reactionary is to form a hunter-gatherer tribe, live in a cave, and make only vague grunting vocalizations. *nod*


Btw, may someone please explain the appeal of anarcho-primitivism to me? I don't really see any, tbh.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon May 06, 2019 12:16 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:The only way to truly be reactionary is to form a hunter-gatherer tribe, live in a cave, and make only vague grunting vocalizations. *nod*


Btw, may someone please explain the appeal of anarcho-primitivism to me? I don't really see any, tbh.

It's a combination of heavy, heavy revisionism on the actual conditions of hunter-gatherer life, environmentalism/hippyism, and some feminist views that hunter-gatherers lived in a mythical time of equality.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon May 06, 2019 12:18 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Ashurism revivalist and Neo-Assyrian revanchism?


iirc there actually is an Ashurism revival movement amongst some Assyrians

Ok, but are these actual reactionaries? Cause most pagans I've ever run into IRL are on the "crazy hippie who wants something edgier than yoga which lets them do drugs" end, and most pagans I've run into online are cut from sort of the same mold(with exceptions, but those tend to be ones I've met in places which self-segregate into more conservative types).
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon May 06, 2019 12:20 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:The only way to truly be reactionary is to form a hunter-gatherer tribe, live in a cave, and make only vague grunting vocalizations. *nod*


Btw, may someone please explain the appeal of anarcho-primitivism to me? I don't really see any, tbh.

"Egalitarianism" (which I doubt these societies were truly Egalitarian outside of basic survival) and "Freetime"

Yeah, sure, you had more free time during the Caveman Era. But what exactly could you do with it? Make pots? Masturbate? Get the entire Hepatitis Alphabet?
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Postby Diopolis » Mon May 06, 2019 12:28 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Btw, may someone please explain the appeal of anarcho-primitivism to me? I don't really see any, tbh.

"Egalitarianism" (which I doubt these societies were truly Egalitarian outside of basic survival) and "Freetime"

Yeah, sure, you had more free time during the Caveman Era. But what exactly could you do with it? Make pots? Masturbate? Get the entire Hepatitis Alphabet?

IIRC, surviving hunter gatherer societies show the usual range of gender equality but tend to be much more violent than settled societies.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon May 06, 2019 12:30 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:"Egalitarianism" (which I doubt these societies were truly Egalitarian outside of basic survival) and "Freetime"

Yeah, sure, you had more free time during the Caveman Era. But what exactly could you do with it? Make pots? Masturbate? Get the entire Hepatitis Alphabet?

IIRC, surviving hunter gatherer societies show the usual range of gender equality but tend to be much more violent than settled societies.

tbh, I'd rather briefly sacrifice Egalitarianism for medicine and having a job rather than barely surviving
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Postby Diopolis » Mon May 06, 2019 12:31 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:IIRC, surviving hunter gatherer societies show the usual range of gender equality but tend to be much more violent than settled societies.

tbh, I'd rather briefly sacrifice Egalitarianism for medicine and having a job rather than barely surviving

I'll sacrifice a bit of egalitarianism for watching more than fifty percent of my kids live to adulthood.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Mon May 06, 2019 2:23 pm

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Me whenever a Brit is in close proximity


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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Mon May 06, 2019 4:01 pm

Napkizemlja wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
Could you please explain to me what you mean?

Hoppean classical liberals with a side order of negative eugenics are not conservatives nor particularly right wing. They're just liberals that are ass-mad that not everyone thinks they can shit over less fortunate people. I actually respect socialists and communists more than them. It's even more hilarious since the systems that proper reactionaries advocated often had some system of poor relief (even if considered inadequate by our own standards). For instance, when monasteries started to close down and other charitable organizations took a downturn during Elizabethan era England, they passed a poor relief law that was to be funded by parishes levying taxes on property owners in order to care for the 'deserving' poor. They only support more reactionary forms of government because they think they universally shared the same horrendous beliefs and views.

I may support a deregulated market- but I oppose liberalism in other ways. Socially speaking pre-enlightenment times are better in my opinion. Their monarchies were a good idea and forced obedience and not questioning the higher power helped preserve tradition. Reaction is not an economic system- anyone from Kim Jong Il’s North Korea to Pinochet’s Chile is still reactionary. Economics is another aspect. Older reactionaries support regulation because ancient systems had that. A neoreactionary must supersede such simplicity and support the most perfect and absolutely anti-left government possible. Leftism only exists because of reactionaries compromising on isssues.you just admitted you sympathize with commies- so you aren’t a true reactionary. Reactionaries can have varying beliefs- but none support tyrannical progressivism.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Mon May 06, 2019 4:19 pm

Last time I took the political compass I got 9, 9.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon May 06, 2019 4:32 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Hoppean classical liberals with a side order of negative eugenics are not conservatives nor particularly right wing. They're just liberals that are ass-mad that not everyone thinks they can shit over less fortunate people. I actually respect socialists and communists more than them. It's even more hilarious since the systems that proper reactionaries advocated often had some system of poor relief (even if considered inadequate by our own standards). For instance, when monasteries started to close down and other charitable organizations took a downturn during Elizabethan era England, they passed a poor relief law that was to be funded by parishes levying taxes on property owners in order to care for the 'deserving' poor. They only support more reactionary forms of government because they think they universally shared the same horrendous beliefs and views.

I may support a deregulated market- but I oppose liberalism in other ways. Socially speaking pre-enlightenment times are better in my opinion. Their monarchies were a good idea and forced obedience and not questioning the higher power helped preserve tradition. Reaction is not an economic system- anyone from Kim Jong Il’s North Korea to Pinochet’s Chile is still reactionary. Economics is another aspect. Older reactionaries support regulation because ancient systems had that. A neoreactionary must supersede such simplicity and support the most perfect and absolutely anti-left government possible. Leftism only exists because of reactionaries compromising on isssues.you just admitted you sympathize with commies- so you aren’t a true reactionary. Reactionaries can have varying beliefs- but none support tyrannical progressivism.

Progressivism isn't the only tyranny. Unquestioned authority with a reactionary social policy is also tyrannical, as it usually involves a government that loves to get involved with people's personal lives.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Mon May 06, 2019 4:48 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:

Not based but respectable. https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpo ... 5&soc=7.95 I got almost 8,8 but not quite.
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