Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[FelrikTheDeleted]

ND pls

Traitors go in the gutter, UK is legitimate government, even without proper faith

There comes a point when cultural differences between two lands become so vast that reconciliation is impossible, Irish oppression notwithstanding.

The cultural difference wasn’t too vast though, they still had and have large amounts commonalities. Besides, culture differences notwithstanding, they were subjects of the monarchy. In anycase, no point bringing them back into the fold at this point.

[Hanafuridake]

There comes a point when cultural differences between two lands become so vast that reconciliation is impossible, Irish oppression notwithstanding.

The cultural difference wasn’t too vast though, they still had and have large amounts commonalities. Besides, culture differences notwithstanding, they were subjects of the monarchy. In anycase, no point bringing them back into the fold at this point.

While it would be fantastic if some sort of Irish monarchy was restored, the Irish Catholics had no ties to the Windsor's, and expecting them to be loyal to a foreign monarchy which mistreated them is extremely silly. Speaking of which the world needs to restore a lot of the traditional rulers that the British monarchy replaced.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

While it would be fantastic if some sort of Irish monarchy was restored, the Irish Catholics had no ties to the Windsor's, and expecting them to be loyal to a foreign monarchy which mistreated them is extremely silly. Speaking of which the world needs to restore a lot of the traditional rulers that the British monarchy replaced.

Unless post-colonial nations break up or are willing to accept some past regional ruler as a national equivalent, that wouldn't happen in most nations, even if they desired a different monarchy.

For example, Australia, Canada, India, New Zealand, etc. have no obvious candidate for a monarchy. Likewise with lots of African nations. It's a fantasy in a fantasy.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

The cultural difference wasn’t too vast though, they still had and have large amounts commonalities. Besides, culture differences notwithstanding, they were subjects of the monarchy. In anycase, no point bringing them back into the fold at this point.

While it would be fantastic if some sort of Irish monarchy was restored, the Irish Catholics had no ties to the Windsor's, and expecting them to be loyal to a foreign monarchy which mistreated them is extremely silly. Speaking of which the world needs to restore a lot of the traditional rulers that the British monarchy replaced.

I don't really see the appeal in restoring the British Monarchy, or restoring any long gone monarchy, but then I'm not Irish, and I'm certainly not a monarchist, so that probably explains it.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

While it would be fantastic if some sort of Irish monarchy was restored, the Irish Catholics had no ties to the Windsor's, and expecting them to be loyal to a foreign monarchy which mistreated them is extremely silly. Speaking of which the world needs to restore a lot of the traditional rulers that the British monarchy replaced.

Unless post-colonial nations break up or are willing to accept some past regional ruler as a national equivalent, that wouldn't happen in most nations, even if they desired a different monarchy.

For example, Australia, Canada, India, New Zealand, etc. have no obvious candidate for a monarchy. Likewise with lots of African nations. It's a fantasy in a fantasy.

Weeell there’s Bokassa I...

[Old Tyrannia]

Says the “ultra-nationalistic reactionary.”

Not being one is treason.

Real reactionaries are anti-nationalist.

[Hanafuridake]

Not being one is treason.

Real reactionaries are anti-nationalist.

Maybe it's just because Japan is an exception and not a rule, but I'm fairly sure that the Kokugaku would disagree with this.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Real reactionaries are anti-nationalist.

There's no such thing as a real reactionary tbh.

It's all relative.

[Duhon]

Real reactionaries are anti-nationalist.

There's no such thing as a real reactionary tbh.

It's all relative.

This is defeatist talk yo -- postglacial African primitivism ftw --

[Jack Thomas Lang]

This is defeatist talk yo -- postglacial African primitivism ftw --

Ooh ooh ahh ahh.

(*Translation: Imagine thinking the social and evolutionary decay of simians to "man" is anything to crow about, this post was made by the Chimps gang)

[Dumb Ideologies]

Not being one is treason.

Real reactionaries are anti-nationalist.

It's certainly very difficult to be "purely" nationalist and be much of a conservative, because an overemphasis on the national project usually serves to erase local identities, and refusing to accept any regional and global framework in terms of matters of security and environment is likely to come back and bite the "national interest". A worthwhile nationalism necessitates looking both upwards and downwards rather than "island thinking".

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Real reactionaries are anti-nationalist.

It's certainly very difficult to be "purely" nationalist and be much of a conservative, because an overemphasis on the national project usually serves to erase local identities, and refusing to accept any regional and global framework in terms of matters of security and environment is likely to come back and bite the "national interest". A worthwhile nationalism necessitates looking both upwards and downwards rather than "island thinking".

Question is; does being an extreme pure nationalist mean extreme centralization or extreme devolution?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

While it would be fantastic if some sort of Irish monarchy was restored, the Irish Catholics had no ties to the Windsor's, and expecting them to be loyal to a foreign monarchy which mistreated them is extremely silly. Speaking of which the world needs to restore a lot of the traditional rulers that the British monarchy replaced.

As interesting as the Irish monarchy is, and as cool a historical event that would be, I doubt they’d ever accept its restoration. As for whether it would be silly for the Irish Catholics to be loyal to the English monarchy, I wouldn’t say so; iirc, the Catholic Church, at some point during the reign of King George III (although I’d have to track down the source I read that in), acknowledged the English monarchy as the legitimate rulers of the British Isles, and thus a ruler that Christians should accept and be obedient to. Furthermore St Paul and St Peter spoke of being obedient to the Roman State, despite its persecution of Christians and its pagan faith.

[New yugoslavaia]

So...does right wing populism have a chance of changing the western world.
Doesn't matter if it's good or bad, will it change anything?

[Novus America]

Not being one is treason.

Real reactionaries are anti-nationalist.

Well certainly those rejecting the Enlightenment and wanting to return to the pre-Enlightenment era are by default anti-Nationalist, as nationalism is of course an Enlightenment concept.

Being a Nationalist and a radtrad medievalist is of course illogical.

However what is reactionary and what is progressive is not universally agreed on.

For example many self proclaimed “progressives” are anti-nuclear, anti GMO types.
If someone is anti-nuclear and anti-GMO you are straight reactionary, at least on those things.
But modern “progressives” tend to be both.

Really there are very few who everyone would agreed are completely regressive or progressive on everything, according to everyone.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

I don't support any economic regulation and the tax rate should be a 5 flat or a due amount everyone has to pay equally. Fuck all corporate and sales taxes. The money should be 3/4 on military if not more. No welfare of public help for the weak. Fuck all labor laws and safety regulations that barely matter, the economy is more important than welfare for weaklings.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I don't support any economic regulation and the tax rate should be a 5 flat or a due amount everyone has to pay equally. Fuck all corporate and sales taxes. The money should be 3/4 on military if not more. No welfare of public help for the weak. Fuck all labor laws and safety regulations that barely matter, the economy is more important than welfare for weaklings.

>populists seize on the issue of soaring inequality
>poor demonstrate violently on the streets
>military supports poor as they have little in common with business owners
>regime is swept away, transitions to something a lot more socialist than what you had in the first place
>shocked businessman face

Is your username a double bluff? Is this accelerationism?

[Torrocca]

I don't support any economic regulation and the tax rate should be a 5 flat or a due amount everyone has to pay equally. Fuck all corporate and sales taxes. The money should be 3/4 on military if not more. No welfare of public help for the weak. Fuck all labor laws and safety regulations that barely matter, the economy is more important than welfare for weaklings.

This just sounds exactly like accelerationism into Socialism tbqh.

[Grenartia]

The only bad thing about Reconstruction was the traitors' reaction to it. Change my mind.



That image gave me cancer.

Nazbols get out.

Reconstruction was of course also a difficult time for African-Americans, who struggled to get voting rights and decent jobs. Sure, much of the problem came from the Confederate South, but the North after the Civil War only cared so far as they tried to pull States back into the Union. Once that was done, they mostly forgot about the African-Americans. It was a mess on a national scale that saw malice against African-Americans from both sides, both enabled or otherwise.

Except for all of those African-American statesmen that were elected due to the policies of Reconstruction, which did in fact, give African Americans the ability to vote (unless you actually think the white southerners, who were overwhelmingly racist, were the ones electing them, but if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you).

The primary failure of Reconstruction was that it was ended far too early, and the gains it made were rolled back.

As much as I find Neo-Confederates deplorable (because the rules don't let me express my true feelings) there is something ironic about non, or even anti-,nationalists suddenly acting as though they're extremely nationalistic. What with all of the talk about “traitors,” even from Torra who's an anarchist (therefore, by definition, disloyal to the American state). I'm sorry, I sympathize with your arguments against the Confederacy, but there feels like there is an underlying hypocrisy which is not being addressed.

This is why even though I'm sympathetic to syndicalism I reject the term 'anarchist' because I am actually still proud to be American.

I wouldn't say that, but I'm definitely a statist (though I'll sooner side with anarchists than fascists, an-caps, and tankies).

The confederates are dead right now

Yes. The Confederacy is dead, so no reason to not leave it dead.

The South shall fall again.

Big government is treason itself.

That's a nuclear take, buddy.

Not even close.

Reactionary politics is for nubs anyways.

Embrace progress!

Said the authoritarian.

Can't have progress under a restrictive state.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

I don't support any economic regulation and the tax rate should be a 5 flat or a due amount everyone has to pay equally. Fuck all corporate and sales taxes. The money should be 3/4 on military if not more. No welfare of public help for the weak. Fuck all labor laws and safety regulations that barely matter, the economy is more important than welfare for weaklings.

>populists seize on the issue of soaring inequality
>poor demonstrate violently on the streets
>military supports poor as they have little in common with business owners
>regime is swept away, transitions to something a lot more socialist than what you had in the first place
>shocked businessman face

That can be solved by forming loyal militias, decentralized military, hiring corporations, and shooting violent protesters if They harm someone. Also if you have private armies, business interests are protected.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

I don't support any economic regulation and the tax rate should be a 5 flat or a due amount everyone has to pay equally. Fuck all corporate and sales taxes. The money should be 3/4 on military if not more. No welfare of public help for the weak. Fuck all labor laws and safety regulations that barely matter, the economy is more important than welfare for weaklings.

This just sounds exactly like accelerationism into Socialism tbqh.

The commies will be in jail or starved. I don't think I need to worry about anything but fascist socialism.

[Grenartia]

I don't support any economic regulation and the tax rate should be a 5 flat or a due amount everyone has to pay equally. Fuck all corporate and sales taxes. The money should be 3/4 on military if not more. No welfare of public help for the weak. Fuck all labor laws and safety regulations that barely matter, the economy is more important than welfare for weaklings.

This just sounds exactly like accelerationism into Socialism tbqh.

Indeed. For someone who claims to hate communism so badly, he certainly sounds like he wants to spark the revolution yesterday.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

I don't support any economic regulation and the tax rate should be a 5 flat or a due amount everyone has to pay equally. Fuck all corporate and sales taxes. The money should be 3/4 on military if not more. No welfare of public help for the weak. Fuck all labor laws and safety regulations that barely matter, the economy is more important than welfare for weaklings.

>populists seize on the issue of soaring inequality
>poor demonstrate violently on the streets
>military supports poor as they have little in common with business owners
>regime is swept away, transitions to something a lot more socialist than what you had in the first place
>shocked businessman face

Is your username a double bluff? Is this accelerationism?

The name isn't accurate- sort of just a meme mocking people like Chinese and Nazis who put the label socialism and call it good. It doesn't really matter - I've gone through liberal, anarchist capitalist, and third positioning phases so everything is inconsistent.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I don't support any economic regulation and the tax rate should be a 5 flat or a due amount everyone has to pay equally. Fuck all corporate and sales taxes. The money should be 3/4 on military if not more. No welfare of public help for the weak. Fuck all labor laws and safety regulations that barely matter, the economy is more important than welfare for weaklings.

I'm starting to think you might not like the poor.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

>populists seize on the issue of soaring inequality
>poor demonstrate violently on the streets
>military supports poor as they have little in common with business owners
>regime is swept away, transitions to something a lot more socialist than what you had in the first place
>shocked businessman face

That can be solved by forming loyal militias, decentralized military, hiring corporations, and shooting violent protesters if They harm someone. Also if you have private armies, business interests are protected.

And what do you do when these private militaries figure out that shooting people and taking their stuff is a lot more profitable than upholding the law and serving the common good?