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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 12:59 pm
by Communist Zombie Horde
Novus America wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Add liberals to the list of traitors and remove the small government patriots that you call hel-Confederates. Thy support the confederate because only the confederates supported states rights and deregulation- not because slavry or racism.


Actually they restricted states rights by banning states from ending slavery.
The US Constitution of the time provided greater states rights ironically.

And again
“But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact.
But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away.
This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races.
This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew." Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us.
Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were.
They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men.
The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.”
Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President, CSA

Look I have nothing against you.
I think you mean well.
But there is no reason to support a failed rebellion against the US if you support the US.

Big government is treason itself. Both sides were different shades of wrong. It’s not worth arguing because everyone is wrong in historic war until the Cold War.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 1:00 pm
by Communist Zombie Horde
Duhon wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:The north started popular racism


Hahahahahaha no.

Sure- radical fiminist. Hahahaha feminism is dumb.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 1:01 pm
by Duhon
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Hahahahahaha no.

Sure- radical fiminist. Hahahaha feminism is dumb.


Dude. What?

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 1:13 pm
by Genivaria
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Genivaria wrote:That's not what the Confederates themselves said.

The confederates are dead right now

That doesn't effect my statement at all.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 2:24 pm
by Luminesa
Kowani wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Reconstruction was of course also a difficult time for African-Americans, who struggled to get voting rights and decent jobs. Sure, much of the problem came from the Confederate South, but the North after the Civil War only cared so far as they tried to pull States back into the Union. Once that was done, they mostly forgot about the African-Americans. It was a mess on a national scale that saw malice against African-Americans from both sides, both enabled or otherwise.

Andrew Johnson and Hayes killed Reconstruction, sadly.

Pretty much, and made it a lot worse and a lot more complicated than it should have been for basically everyone involved.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 4:18 pm
by Torrocca
Hanafuridake wrote:As much as I find Neo-Confederates deplorable (because the rules don't let me express my true feelings) there is something ironic about non, or even anti-,nationalists suddenly acting as though they're extremely nationalistic. What with all of the talk about “traitors,” even from Torra who's an anarchist (therefore, by definition, disloyal to the American state). I'm sorry, I sympathize with your arguments against the Confederacy, but there feels like there is an underlying hypocrisy which is not being addressed.


... Y'know, that's a very fair point, but the context to why I'm referring to them as traitors in a negative way should mend that issue. I'm not calling them traitors in a negative light because treason is an inherently bad thing - it's not, in my opinion. I'm calling them that in a negative manner because they used their states' "freedom" and their treason against the Union as an excuse to violently uphold the abhorrent institution of slavery, and that was practically their only reason for doing such a thing. Their rebellion wasn't about building a better society against the grind of a monstrous government or to genuinely win freedom, it was to keep people in chains. That's why I view their treason negatively.

Hope that clears things up.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:00 pm
by Communist Zombie Horde
Torrocca wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:As much as I find Neo-Confederates deplorable (because the rules don't let me express my true feelings) there is something ironic about non, or even anti-,nationalists suddenly acting as though they're extremely nationalistic. What with all of the talk about “traitors,” even from Torra who's an anarchist (therefore, by definition, disloyal to the American state). I'm sorry, I sympathize with your arguments against the Confederacy, but there feels like there is an underlying hypocrisy which is not being addressed.


... Y'know, that's a very fair point, but the context to why I'm referring to them as traitors in a negative way should mend that issue. I'm not calling them traitors in a negative light because treason is an inherently bad thing - it's not, in my opinion. I'm calling them that in a negative manner because they used their states' "freedom" and their treason against the Union as an excuse to violently uphold the abhorrent institution of slavery, and that was practically their only reason for doing such a thing. Their rebellion wasn't about building a better society against the grind of a monstrous government or to genuinely win freedom, it was to keep people in chains. That's why I view their treason negatively.

Hope that clears things up.

Hail the great motherland Soviet Union.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:07 pm
by Hanafuridake
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Big government is treason itself.


Says the “ultra-nationalistic reactionary.”

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:10 pm
by Torrocca
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
... Y'know, that's a very fair point, but the context to why I'm referring to them as traitors in a negative way should mend that issue. I'm not calling them traitors in a negative light because treason is an inherently bad thing - it's not, in my opinion. I'm calling them that in a negative manner because they used their states' "freedom" and their treason against the Union as an excuse to violently uphold the abhorrent institution of slavery, and that was practically their only reason for doing such a thing. Their rebellion wasn't about building a better society against the grind of a monstrous government or to genuinely win freedom, it was to keep people in chains. That's why I view their treason negatively.

Hope that clears things up.

Hail the great motherland Soviet Union.


I guess our new local Fascist is going Tankie now.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:11 pm
by Communist Zombie Horde
Torrocca wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Hail the great motherland Soviet Union.


I guess our new local Fascist is going Tankie now.

R/wooosh

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:13 pm
by Jack Thomas Lang
Here's a right-wing topic.

Who is your favourite fictional detective? For example; Maigret, Sherlock Holmes, Miss Marple, etc.

My two favourites are Hercule Poirot and Father Brown, because of their intelligence, quirkiness and kindness. Both being Catholic is a just a coincidence, h-honest.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:13 pm
by Communist Zombie Horde
Hanafuridake wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Big government is treason itself.


Says the “ultra-nationalistic reactionary.”

Not being one is treason.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:13 pm
by Communist Zombie Horde
Ronald regan

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:14 pm
by Torrocca
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I guess our new local Fascist is going Tankie now.

R/wooosh


There's nothing "woosh" about you praising the Soviet Union. :)

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:15 pm
by Communist Zombie Horde
Torrocca wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:R/wooosh


There's nothing "woosh" about you praising the Soviet Union. :)

This even dumber than calling me fascist.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:16 pm
by Torrocca
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
There's nothing "woosh" about you praising the Soviet Union. :)

This even dumber than asking me fascist.


... What the fuck is this even saying?

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:16 pm
by Northern Davincia
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Here's a right-wing topic.

Who is your favourite fictional detective? For example; Maigret, Sherlock Holmes, Miss Marple, etc.

My two favourites are Hercule Poirot and Father Brown, because of their intelligence, quirkiness and kindness. Both being Catholic is a just a coincidence, h-honest.

L Lawliet.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:19 pm
by Communist Zombie Horde
Torrocca wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:This even dumber than asking me fascist.


... What the fuck is this even saying?

Not a tankie- Stalinist.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:20 pm
by Torrocca
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
... What the fuck is this even saying?

Not a tankie- Stalinist.


Only a Stalinist would praise the Soviet Union, however, so clearly you are one. :3

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:21 pm
by Genivaria
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Ronald regan

Please stop spamming.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:21 pm
by Communist Zombie Horde
Torrocca wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Not a tankie- Stalinist.


Only a Stalinist would praise the Soviet Union, however, so clearly you are one. :3

You are the one who loves the Soviet Union I hate them.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:21 pm
by Communist Zombie Horde
Genivaria wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Ronald regan

Please stop spamming.

TIL Reagan is spam

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:23 pm
by Northern Davincia
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Please stop spamming.

TIL Reagan is spam

Yes, if you're only going to mention a misspelled name without adding anything else of worth.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:26 pm
by Torrocca
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Only a Stalinist would praise the Soviet Union, however, so clearly you are one. :3

You are the one who loves the Soviet Union I hate them.


LMAO.

Fucking prove it then.

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:27 pm
by Genivaria
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Please stop spamming.

TIL Reagan is spam

You are making an irrelevant post without response or context, you're spamming/