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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:33 pm
by Hanafuridake
Duhon wrote:Dropping by only to share this blog entry on a critique of a critique of that insane crackhead Dugin. Novus, in particular, might find this link, uh, marginally interesting:

http://kali-yuga.org/dugin-against-dugi ... rasianist/


Dugin lost any relevancy that he possessed a few years ago.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:34 pm
by Torrocca
Genivaria wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The Abrams is hardly a unique tank, nor is it an unkillable one.

0/10 meme

What's it like to be born without taste?


IDK, why don't we ask all the tanks that shit on the overhyped piece of trash that is the M1 Abrams? :3

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:35 pm
by Totally Not OEP
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
That's why we began to upgun the M1 by 1983-1985. Post-Cold War testing found the 120mm was able to penetrate the front of a T-80 at least 50% of the time, even at range. The same testing found they achieved about the same or less against the frontal armor of an M1 in reverse, with a major handicap of having a lower range with their main weapon.

Guess how many battalions of M1A1's the entire NORTHAG had in 1989? 2.


The U.S. literally had 4 tank divisions and thousands of M1s by 1985; not sure what you're talking about.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:35 pm
by Benuty
Torrocca wrote:


Imagine being an American """nationalist""" and siding with the slave-owning traitors or literal Nazis lmao

Imagine being an ideologue for anything other than the rightful world state.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:36 pm
by Torrocca
Benuty wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Imagine being an American """nationalist""" and siding with the slave-owning traitors or literal Nazis lmao

Imagine being an ideologue for anything other than the rightful world state.


World state < no state :3

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:37 pm
by Duhon
Hanafuridake wrote:
Duhon wrote:Dropping by only to share this blog entry on a critique of a critique of that insane crackhead Dugin. Novus, in particular, might find this link, uh, marginally interesting:

http://kali-yuga.org/dugin-against-dugi ... rasianist/


Dugin lost any relevancy that he possessed a few years ago.


His fetishistically chaotic book about Russia-as-world-ending-world-hegemon is still required reading within Russia itself. He's lost relevance as an adjunct to Putin, that's all.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:37 pm
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Guess how many battalions of M1A1's the entire NORTHAG had in 1989? 2.


The U.S. literally had 4 tank divisions and thousands of M1s by 1985; not sure what you're talking about.

And NORTHAG according to its own reports had 2 battalions of M1A1's out of all NORTHAG. The entire rest of it had tanks that were incapable of countering the Soviet GSFG spearheads that they were going to face.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:37 pm
by Rostavykhan


CSA still in my heart T.T gone too soon.

> TFW no Syndie CSA or Left-Wing Southern Nationalist movements to fight against Yankee Capitalist oppression and corrupt Southern Oligarchy.

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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:38 pm
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
The U.S. literally had 4 tank divisions and thousands of M1s by 1985; not sure what you're talking about.

And NORTHAG according to its own reports had 2 battalions of M1A1's out of all NORTHAG. The entire rest of it had tanks that were incapable of countering the Soviet GSFG spearheads that they were going to face.

Assuming Reforger doesn't get sunk in the Atlantic or gets shot down while transiting they would have another 3. The British, the Germans, the Dutch and especially the Belgians would have to contend with things that would fail to beat the Soviet tank regiments.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:39 pm
by Torrocca
Rostavykhan wrote:


CSA still in my heart T.T gone too soon.

> TFW no Syndie CSA or Left-Wing Southern Nationalist movements to fight against Yankee Capitalist oppression and corrupt Southern Oligarchy.

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Y'know, it is kinda funny how some of you here are fetishizing one of the most brutal examples of a slave-owning society in history, but fucking everyone flipped their shit when El Amin talked about slaves.

Hmmmmmm...

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:39 pm
by Benuty
Torrocca wrote:
Benuty wrote:Imagine being an ideologue for anything other than the rightful world state.


World state < no state :3

The creative madness of a world state is preferable to the disorderly sterility of anarchism.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:40 pm
by Totally Not OEP
Torrocca wrote:


Imagine being an American """nationalist""" and siding with the slave-owning traitors or literal Nazis lmao


It's a distinct facet of the Southern character that we could fight in that great conflict and then, eventually, come to terms with being back in the Union. Joe Wheeler, Jeff Davis, and even Nathan Bedford Forrest can attest to this.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:40 pm
by Duhon
Benuty wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Imagine being an American """nationalist""" and siding with the slave-owning traitors or literal Nazis lmao

Imagine being an ideologue for anything other than the rightful world state.


"Upon the oppressors of their fellows do I bequeath my crown of sovereignty, freedom from events temporal and responsbilities in total --"

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:42 pm
by Totally Not OEP
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:And NORTHAG according to its own reports had 2 battalions of M1A1's out of all NORTHAG. The entire rest of it had tanks that were incapable of countering the Soviet GSFG spearheads that they were going to face.

Assuming Reforger doesn't get sunk in the Atlantic or gets shot down while transiting they would have another 3. The British, the Germans, the Dutch and especially the Belgians would have to contend with things that would fail to beat the Soviet tank regiments.


Again, what are you talking about? You're extremely mistaken:

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About 1983 or 1984 was the close out date for Soviet tank armies vis-a-vis NATO.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:43 pm
by Benuty
Duhon wrote:
Benuty wrote:Imagine being an ideologue for anything other than the rightful world state.


"Upon the oppressors of their fellows do I bequeath my crown of sovereignty, freedom from events temporal and responsbilities in total --"

In time humanity will be able to move past the cost of such mercy.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:43 pm
by Duhon
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Imagine being an American """nationalist""" and siding with the slave-owning traitors or literal Nazis lmao


It's a distinct facet of the Southern character that we could fight in that great conflict and then, eventually, come to terms with being back in the Union. Joe Wheeler, Jeff Davis, and even Nathan Bedford Forrest can attest to this.


Given that that "coming back to terms" eventually involved the Union coming over to embrace its own bigotry and running with it for most of the next hundred years...

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:43 pm
by Torrocca
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Imagine being an American """nationalist""" and siding with the slave-owning traitors or literal Nazis lmao


It's a distinct facet of the Southern character that we


Last I checked, neither you nor I were born in time for the treason of the slave-owners. There's no "we" here for you to fetishize, for you're not one of those who was involved in that era of history.

could fight in that great conflict and then, eventually, come to terms with being back in the Union. Joe Wheeler, Jeff Davis, and even Nathan Bedford Forrest can attest to this.


That's generally what happens when you literally can't rebuild your society which you caused destruction to by being treasonous bastards.

It's not like they ever acted like they were any part of the Union afterward, despite that.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:43 pm
by Totally Not OEP
Rostavykhan wrote:


CSA still in my heart T.T gone too soon.

> TFW no Syndie CSA or Left-Wing Southern Nationalist movements to fight against Yankee Capitalist oppression and corrupt Southern Oligarchy.

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There actually is this school of thought in existence; google the Brooklyn Copperhead, IIRC.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:44 pm
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Assuming Reforger doesn't get sunk in the Atlantic or gets shot down while transiting they would have another 3. The British, the Germans, the Dutch and especially the Belgians would have to contend with things that would fail to beat the Soviet tank regiments.


Again, what are you talking about? You're extremely mistaken:

Image

About 1983 or 1984 was the close out date for Soviet tank armies vis-a-vis NATO.

We are regurgitating stats that you have no understanding of I see.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:46 pm
by Hanafuridake
Dugin's Eurasianism is often cited as belonging to the same spectrum of these movements,[39] as well as also having influences from Hermetic, Gnostic and Eastern traditions.[40]


I bet he just watched Evangelion and thought that the Human Instrumentality Project would be a cool thing to do in real life.

More seriously, I don't understand the supposed Gnostic influence which is supposed to have been had on people like Dugin. Unless he seriously believes that this world is the evil creation of a chaotic Demiurge, which would raise more questions than it would answer.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:47 pm
by Totally Not OEP
Torrocca wrote:Last I checked, neither you nor I were born in time for the treason of the slave-owners. There's no "we" here for you to fetishize, for you're not one of those who was involved in that era of history.


For one, I never claimed I was anywhere. Next, you stated this:
Torrocca wrote:
Imagine being an American """nationalist""" and siding with the slave-owning traitors or literal Nazis lmao


I was explaining how Southerners are able to do both. Do try to keep up. :)

That's generally what happens when you literally can't rebuild your society which you caused destruction to by being treasonous bastards.

It's not like they ever acted like they were any part of the Union afterward, despite that.


By 1910 the South had recovered its Pre-War total of industry and by 1900 was about the same in terms of population.

And yes, they did actually. Joe Wheeler was literally one of the main U.S. commanders in Cuba and Forrest offered to rejoin the U.S. Army after the Civil War.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:49 pm
by Rostavykhan
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:
CSA still in my heart T.T gone too soon.

> TFW no Syndie CSA or Left-Wing Southern Nationalist movements to fight against Yankee Capitalist oppression and corrupt Southern Oligarchy.



There actually is this school of thought in existence; google the Brooklyn Copperhead, IIRC.


I'm aware of it somewhat, just that it's not a very common thing for Southern Nationalism.

Even though the idea of Black-White unity of the common man and revolution against the Slave-Owning aristocracy for a stronger and more modern Confederacy is pretty gucci.

Plus, Communist fashion is top tier, so throw in some Cajun or Appalachian aesthetics and you got gold. Alas, though, one can only dream.

Somewhere, in some alternate timeline, a Red Army band is marching down an old country road in their grey coats, and then the music starts playing...

"AlMoSt HeAvEn, WeSt ViRgInIa"

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:49 pm
by Totally Not OEP
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:We are regurgitating stats that you have no understanding of I see.


No dear, you've made a claim you have yet to substantiate and I just provided evidence that shows the U.S. alone had thousands of new Abrams to its fleet total between 1981-1987. The U.S. had four tank divisions in the ETO by then, there is no way the U.S. just had two battalions of Abrams in 1989.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:50 pm
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:We are regurgitating stats that you have no understanding of I see.


No dear, you've made a claim you have yet to substantiate and I just provided evidence that shows the U.S. alone had thousands of new Abrams to its fleet total between 1981-1987. The U.S. had four tank divisions in the ETO by then, there is no way the U.S. just had two battalions of Abrams in 1989.

Ctrl-F for M1A1 please.

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:50 pm
by Jack Thomas Lang
One of the most fascinating things in the 19th century is the Russo-American Friendship that was integral during the American Civil War and continued well into the Great War, until it was crushed by the Bolsheviks. What makes it all the more interesting is that it stands in stark contrast to later Russo-American relations, and its something I'd like to see returned.

Also, if Russia went to war with Britain over the Civil War, Australia faced the real threat of invasion. Now that'd be some alt-history.