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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Ayy fam, tell me about this Lang guy. I meant to ask the other day but forgot.

He was a populist, and during his height Labor Premier of New South Wales.

Anti-communist (Hence my prior Social Fascist sig), close with the Unions and cultivated a bit of a personality cult. Known as the Big Fella, and "Lang is greater than Lenin" was a legit slogan. During his first time as Premier, he introduced a variety of social programs and introduced universal suffrage for local elections. Tried to abolish the Upper House because it was too "reactionary". In his second time as Premier, he disagreed with the Federal government and all other state governments on how to handle the Great Depression. They wanted big cuts, tax increases, etc. Lang basically wanted a Keynesian response, reducing interest rates, replacing the Gold Standard, temporarily avoiding paying interest repayments to Britain and injecting millions of dollars into the economy. Didn't work, so he took State money out of the bank and held it as cash in the Union Hall. This led to a whole crisis in which he was dismissed as Premier by the NSW Governor-General and lost the subsequent election.

It's funny, because the two men were close friends but that still didn't stop Lang from considering to arrest the Governor-General possibly plunging Australia into civil war. The Federal government was seriously considering sending troops, and Lang had a lot of support in the Unions, who were and remain influential.

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Ayy fam, tell me about this Lang guy. I meant to ask the other day but forgot.

He was a populist, and during his height Labor Premier of New South Wales.

Anti-communist (Hence my prior Social Fascist sig), close with the Unions and cultivated a bit of a personality cult. Known as the Big Fella, and "Lang is greater than Lenin" was a legit slogan. During his first time as Premier, he introduced a variety of social programs and introduced universal suffrage for local elections. Tried to abolish the Upper House because it was too "reactionary". In his second time as Premier, he disagreed with the Federal government and all other state governments on how to handle the Great Depression. They wanted big cuts, tax increases, etc. Lang basically wanted a Keynesian response, reducing interest rates, replacing the Gold Standard, temporarily avoiding paying interest repayments to Britain and injecting millions of dollars into the economy. Didn't work, so he took State money out of the bank and held it as cash in the Union Hall. This led to a whole crisis in which he was dismissed as Premier by the NSW Governor-General and lost the subsequent election.

It's funny, because the two men were close friends but that still didn't stop Lang from considering to arrest the Governor-General possibly plunging Australia into civil war. The Federal government was seriously considering sending troops, and Lang had a lot of support in the Unions, who were and remain influential.

Hmm, sounds like an interesting sort to say the least. Any recommended reading?

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Hmm, sounds like an interesting sort to say the least. Any recommended reading?

On Lang?

Well there's "The Turbulent Years", his own autobiography, although I haven't read it. My knowledge of Lang comes from online articles (such as Jack Lang's article in the Australian Dictionary of Biography) and local museums.

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Tbh I don’t care that antifa atttacks Starbucks, which is a threat to humanity, it’s just that spraypainting A’s on the sidewalk is annoying and it really ruins downtown. Overturning trash can makes a mess and I think it’s illegal. Smashing windows definitely is illegal and it could injure someone. A good portion of antifa are vandals who should be penalized.

And why do they say that Antifa should be considered terrorists again?

Novus America wrote:Grant was not as effective as Lee in maneuver warfare, this is true.
But had a better understanding of attrition and economics.

He really didn't; the casualties he suffered were beyond even the capacity of the Federals to take. This forced Lincoln to expend significant political capital to keep him (Grant) from being relieved and even then it wasn't until Atlanta fell that Lincoln expected to win reelection because of the negative reaction to the Overland Campaign.

But Lost Causers forget if not for Lee, Longstreet and Stonewall Jackson the Confederacy would have collapsed much earlier, and Lee himself often lucky.

It was luck and yes, skill of a few generals that kept the Confederacy alive as long as it did.
Notice that for Lost Causers the focus almost entirely on the Army of Northern Virginia.

They don't forget, the Lost Cause is entirely based on the idea that, while the South had the better officers and soldiers, they ultimately were defeated by a foe that simply could deploy more men then they could.

As if that was the only army in the only theater.

Ignoring how the CSA often got thumped elsewhere.

Mixed bag in other theaters. People point to Fort Donelson, but then overlook the Heartland Campaign with the Battles of Richmond and Perryville. Talk of Tullahoma, but then forget Chickamauga. As it was, by wars end around 200,000 troops were still in the field, especially in the Trans-Texas where Kirby Smith was still kicking ass.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Novus America wrote:Grant was not as effective as Lee in maneuver warfare, this is true.
But had a better understanding of attrition and economics.

He really didn't; the casualties he suffered were beyond even the capacity of the Federals to take. This forced Lincoln to expend significant political capital to keep him (Grant) from being relieved and even then it wasn't until Atlanta fell that Lincoln expected to win reelection because of the negative reaction to the Overland Campaign.

But Lost Causers forget if not for Lee, Longstreet and Stonewall Jackson the Confederacy would have collapsed much earlier, and Lee himself often lucky.

It was luck and yes, skill of a few generals that kept the Confederacy alive as long as it did.
Notice that for Lost Causers the focus almost entirely on the Army of Northern Virginia.

They don't forget, the Lost Cause is entirely based on the idea that, while the South had the better officers and soldiers, they ultimately were defeated by a foe that simply could deploy more men then they could.

As if that was the only army in the only theater.

Ignoring how the CSA often got thumped elsewhere.

Mixed bag in other theaters. People point to Fort Donelson, but then overlook the Heartland Campaign with the Battles of Richmond and Perryville. Talk of Tullahoma, but then forget Chickamauga. As it was, by wars end around 200,000 troops were still in the field, especially in the Trans-Texas where Kirby Smith was still kicking ass.

It helps that the Union wasn’t hamstrung by state’s rights and deserters. Also, rampant inflation, threat of slave revolts, and having a navy worth anything.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

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nah it would be a Helicopter that makes them shit themselves

Kowani wrote:It helps that the Union wasn’t hamstrung by state’s rights and deserters. Also, rampant inflation, threat of slave revolts, and having a navy worth anything.

The Confederacy forged the most centralized Government in North American history until the New Deal and had a lower rate of desertion than the Union Army.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Kowani wrote:It helps that the Union wasn’t hamstrung by state’s rights and deserters. Also, rampant inflation, threat of slave revolts, and having a navy worth anything.

The Confederacy forged the most centralized Government in North American history until the New Deal and had a lower rate of desertion than the Union Army.

Ironic that the Confederacy, allegedly concerned with states rights, was more centralized than the Union.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Confederacy forged the most centralized Government in North American history until the New Deal and had a lower rate of desertion than the Union Army.

Ironic that the Confederacy, allegedly concerned with states rights, was more centralized than the Union.

Hard fighting troops, an overall decent cadre of officers, and a surprisingly highly functional government explain how a segment of the nation, with 15% of the industry and 9 million people, of which 3.5 million were slaves, could make it four years against the rest of the nation while still achieving a positive kill ratio.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Ironic that the Confederacy, allegedly concerned with states rights, was more centralized than the Union.

Hard fighting troops, an overall decent cadre of officers, and a surprisingly highly functional government explain how a segment of the nation, with 15% of the industry and 9 million people, of which 3.5 million were slaves, could make it four years against the rest of the nation while still achieving a positive kill ratio.

Traitors, the lot of them. Minus the slaves and Union sympathizers.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

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The Abrams is hardly a unique tank, nor is it an unkillable one.

0/10 meme

Grenartia wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Hard fighting troops, an overall decent cadre of officers, and a surprisingly highly functional government explain how a segment of the nation, with 15% of the industry and 9 million people, of which 3.5 million were slaves, could make it four years against the rest of the nation while still achieving a positive kill ratio.

Traitors, the lot of them. Minus the slaves and Union sympathizers.

And for this Yankee nation I do no give a damn. I'm glad I fought against her, I only wish we'd won. I ain't asked any pardon for anything I've done...

Grenartia wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Hard fighting troops, an overall decent cadre of officers, and a surprisingly highly functional government explain how a segment of the nation, with 15% of the industry and 9 million people, of which 3.5 million were slaves, could make it four years against the rest of the nation while still achieving a positive kill ratio.

Traitors, the lot of them. Minus the slaves and Union sympathizers.

That didn't exactly negate their point, and the greatest treason was what occurred following the end of the war. Reconstruction for all intents, and purposes was an abject failure that did nothing to truly reconstruct southern society at all other than sprinkle in northern blood into the aristocracy.

Torrocca wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:

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The Abrams is hardly a unique tank, nor is it an unkillable one.

0/10 meme

As far as shitty Communist tanks go, it's nearly God himself in terms of being able to kill.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
The Abrams is hardly a unique tank, nor is it an unkillable one.

0/10 meme

As far as shitty Communist tanks go, it's nearly God himself in terms of being able to kill.

The T-72 was a great tank when it was built.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
As far as shitty Communist tanks go, it's nearly God himself in terms of being able to kill.

The T-72 was a great tank when it was built.

That's literally most pieces of military hardware.

Blacks were still engaged in a system that pretty much kept them on the fringes regardless, and even attempts at industrializing the south were successful in places where people didn't try to do it according to Pittsburgh standards. In summary when you try to modernize a war-torn region industrially its better, in the long run, to adjust industrial standards rather than demand that the south pay the same price for steel you would in Pittsburgh.

Dropping by only to share this blog entry on a critique of a critique of that insane crackhead Dugin. Novus, in particular, might find this link, uh, marginally interesting:

http://kali-yuga.org/dugin-against-dugi ... rasianist/

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
The Abrams is hardly a unique tank, nor is it an unkillable one.

0/10 meme

As far as shitty Communist tanks go, it's nearly God himself in terms of being able to kill. :)

Imagine being an M1IP crewmember, being told that: "A: Your ammo will most probably not penetrate a T-80U from the front. And B: There's a T-80U division headed your way. Oh and we have no A-10's to support you because they all died."

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
As far as shitty Communist tanks go, it's nearly God himself in terms of being able to kill.

Imagine being an M1IP crewmember, being told that: "A: Your ammo will most probably not penetrate a T-80U from the front. And B: There's a T-80U division headed your way. Oh and we have no A-10's to support you because they all died."

That's why we began to upgun the M1 by 1983-1985. Post-Cold War testing found the 120mm was able to penetrate the front of a T-80 at least 50% of the time, even at range. The same testing found they achieved about the same or less against the frontal armor of an M1 in reverse, with a major handicap of having a lower range with their main weapon.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Imagine being an M1IP crewmember, being told that: "A: Your ammo will most probably not penetrate a T-80U from the front. And B: There's a T-80U division headed your way. Oh and we have no A-10's to support you because they all died."

That's why we began to upgun the M1 by 1983-1985. Post-Cold War testing found the 120mm was able to penetrate the front of a T-80 at least 50% of the time, even at range. The same testing found they achieved about the same or less against the frontal armor of an M1 in reverse, with a major handicap of having a lower range with their main weapon.

Guess how many battalions of M1A1's the entire NORTHAG had in 1989? 2.

Torrocca wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:

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The Abrams is hardly a unique tank, nor is it an unkillable one.

0/10 meme

What's it like to be born without taste?

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
Traitors, the lot of them. Minus the slaves and Union sympathizers.

And for this Yankee nation I do no give a damn. I'm glad I fought against her, I only wish we'd won. I ain't asked any pardon for anything I've done...

Imagine being an American """nationalist""" and siding with the slave-owning traitors or literal Nazis lmao