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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat May 04, 2019 8:50 am

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Communist Zombie Horde wrote:ANTIFA and other leftists are counterterrorists


Fixed that for ya.

No.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat May 04, 2019 8:51 am

Grenartia wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:ANTIFA and other leftists are counterterrorists


Fixed that for ya.

Northern Davincia wrote:Which necessitates a new federal crackdown and occupation of the south.


Just call me Newton Knight.

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Why is the south always the target of the murderous north. Might as well name you North Korea.


I guess you unironically believe it was the "War of Northern Aggression", dontcha?

Northern Davincia wrote:It's not an either-or situation. We can imprison the KKK and Antifa together and watch what happens.


Anti-antifascism is just fascism by a different name. The ideological allies of the KKK.

Both deserve suppression.

Basically you support flat out murder and terrorism and call it counter terrorism and calling me a fascist terrorist because I’m against murdering patriots. And the war was northern aggression for the most part. The south fought defensively- although cleverly too.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat May 04, 2019 8:51 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Which necessitates a new federal crackdown and occupation of the south.

Why is the south always the target of the murderous north. Might as well name you North Korea.

Rabble-rousers and those who cling to traitors get no respect from me.
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Northern Davincia wrote:It's not an either-or situation. We can imprison the KKK and Antifa together and watch what happens.

10/10, I bet we can make money filming it too.

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Postby North German Realm » Sat May 04, 2019 8:51 am

Conserative Morality wrote:I'd like to take a moment to remind everybody that Philip The Arab was a well-respected Emperor whose downfall was due to poor circumstances, that Julia Domna was the most revered Empress, MOTHER OF THE ARMY CAMPS, MOTHER OF THE FATHERLAND; and that her relatives and descendants were not discriminated against for being of Syrian descent. Roman ideas on the near east were fueled by the standard of divine kingship championed by the Egyptians, Seleucids, and Parthians.

Parthians did not believe in the Zoroastrian equivalent of the Divine Right to Kingship though, and didn't the Egyptians almost literally think their god was a "manifestation" of Horus?
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Postby Novus America » Sat May 04, 2019 8:52 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Well why do you need to shoot them all? It would be a witch hunt done by yanks and half the south probably would be murdered for supporting slavery. ANTIFA and other leftists are terrorists- why can’t the military not shoot them even though they are less popular than the kkk was at the time. Arrest them if you catch them but a man hunt going for third of the south would be dumb.

It's not an either-or situation. We can imprison the KKK and Antifa together and watch what happens.


Cool with me. Or better yet exile them to some empty island in middle of nowhere so they can work out their problems away from the rest of us.

We can plant cameras all over the island to make a sweet actually reality TV show. 8)
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat May 04, 2019 8:53 am

North German Realm wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I'd like to take a moment to remind everybody that Philip The Arab was a well-respected Emperor whose downfall was due to poor circumstances, that Julia Domna was the most revered Empress, MOTHER OF THE ARMY CAMPS, MOTHER OF THE FATHERLAND; and that her relatives and descendants were not discriminated against for being of Syrian descent. Roman ideas on the near east were fueled by the standard of divine kingship championed by the Egyptians, Seleucids, and Parthians.

Parthians did not believe in the Zoroastrian equivalent of the Divine Right to Kingship though.

The Arsacid Dynasty very much believed in the divinity of the Shahanshah. Zoroastrianism wouldn't be firmly in place as the dominant religion until the Sassanids.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat May 04, 2019 8:53 am

Grenartia wrote:Anti-antifascism is just fascism by a different name. The ideological allies of the KKK.

Both deserve suppression.

It is good to be against fascism. Antifa, that anarcho-communist bunch, are little more than hoodlums.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat May 04, 2019 8:55 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Anti-antifascism is just fascism by a different name. The ideological allies of the KKK.

Both deserve suppression.

It is good to be against fascism. Antifa, that anarcho-communist bunch, are little more than hoodlums.

BEHOLD THEIR ANTI FASCIST POWER
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Postby North German Realm » Sat May 04, 2019 8:55 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Parthians did not believe in the Zoroastrian equivalent of the Divine Right to Kingship though.

The Arsacid Dynasty very much believed in the divinity of the Shahanshah. Zoroastrianism wouldn't be firmly in place as the dominant religion until the Sassanids.

Any source I could read up on for that? The few I've read (as information on the Parthians is sparse and hard to find, thanks a lot Sassanids) are in Persian and I wouldn't really quote them here. Just... uh... don't quote Herodotus please.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat May 04, 2019 8:57 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Fixed that for ya.



Just call me Newton Knight.



I guess you unironically believe it was the "War of Northern Aggression", dontcha?



Anti-antifascism is just fascism by a different name. The ideological allies of the KKK.

Both deserve suppression.

Basically you support flat out murder and terrorism and call it counter terrorism and calling me a fascist terrorist because I’m against murdering patriots. And the war was northern aggression for the most part. The south fought defensively- although cleverly too.

>fought defensively
>attacked Fort Sumter

Are you implying the KKK are patriots?
Conserative Morality wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It is good to be against fascism. Antifa, that anarcho-communist bunch, are little more than hoodlums.

BEHOLD THEIR ANTI FASCIST POWER

Please, I'm shaking in my Union-fashioned boots.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat May 04, 2019 8:57 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Thats well and good but between the south and lefties most of america will be in jail.


Good, add the rich and politicians to the list too. A new elite will rise out of those of us who remain.


Who would be left? There's nobody left to rise after that.

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Fixed that for ya.



Just call me Newton Knight.



I guess you unironically believe it was the "War of Northern Aggression", dontcha?



Anti-antifascism is just fascism by a different name. The ideological allies of the KKK.

Both deserve suppression.

Basically you support flat out murder


ANTIFA hasn't murdered anyone.

and terrorism


Calling a few tipped over garbage cans, broken windows, and taggings "terrorism" really waters down the meaning of the word, don't you think?

and call it counter terrorism


Opposing terrorists is counterterrorism. I've yet to see a far right winger who wouldn't stoop to terrorism if given the chance, even if they'd deny it was terrorism.

and calling me a fascist


Based on your sig? Yes.

terrorist


All fascists are terrorists. Terrorism is kind of inherent to the ideology.

because I’m against murdering patriots.


Who have I advocated murdering?

And the war was northern aggression for the most part. The south fought defensively- although cleverly too.


Except for that whole thing where the South not only shot first, but gave the Union a legitimate Casus Belli even before that.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 04, 2019 9:01 am

Grenartia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Good, add the rich and politicians to the list too. A new elite will rise out of those of us who remain.


Who would be left? There's nobody left to rise after that.


Us good Americans who aren't lefties, KKK members, southerners, rich or politicians of course!
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 04, 2019 9:02 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Thats well and good but between the south and lefties most of america will be in jail.


Good, add the rich and politicians to the list too. A new elite will rise out of those of us who remain.

Probably an even worse elite.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat May 04, 2019 9:09 am

North German Realm wrote:Any source I could read up on for that? The few I've read (as information on the Parthians is sparse and hard to find, thanks a lot Sassanids) are in Persian and I wouldn't really quote them here. Just... uh... don't quote Herodotus please.

Herodotus a bit before the Arsacids, isn't he?

If you have Persian sources, you might be better read on the subject than me. I thought I read it in Josephus but I can't find it, will continue to look.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat May 04, 2019 9:10 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Who would be left? There's nobody left to rise after that.


Us good Americans who aren't lefties, KKK members, southerners, rich or politicians of course!


So, all of like, 2 people?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 04, 2019 9:11 am

Grenartia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Us good Americans who aren't lefties, KKK members, southerners, rich or politicians of course!


So, all of like, 2 people?


We wouldn't be an elite if there was a lot of us.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat May 04, 2019 9:12 am

Grenartia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Us good Americans who aren't lefties, KKK members, southerners, rich or politicians of course!


So, all of like, 2 people?

You seem to have a low opinion of the American population.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat May 04, 2019 9:15 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
So, all of like, 2 people?

You seem to have a low opinion of the American population.


I mean, considering the state the country is in, can you blame me?
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat May 04, 2019 9:15 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
So, all of like, 2 people?

You seem to have a low opinion of the American population.

Seems they have a low opinion of anybody who doesn’t fit his views of society.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat May 04, 2019 9:16 am

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Conserative Morality wrote:You seem to have a low opinion of the American population.


I mean, considering the state the country is in, can you blame me?


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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 04, 2019 9:20 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Who would be left? There's nobody left to rise after that.


Us good Americans who aren't lefties, KKK members, southerners, rich or politicians of course!

If you were to put this into practice, that statement would continue to be amended with more demographics being added until no one would be safe.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat May 04, 2019 9:22 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Us good Americans who aren't lefties, KKK members, southerners, rich or politicians of course!

If you were to put this into practice, that statement would continue to be amended with more demographics being added until no one would be safe.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Sat May 04, 2019 9:40 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:Is it just me, or does ancient Rome seem like it had its own version of the Yellow Peril? The stereotyping of the East (Egypt, Syria, etc.) has a lot in common with later stereotypes of “Orientals.”

Is it just me, or does almost every Asian superpower seem like it had its own version of the White Peril? The stereotyping of the West (America, Britain, etc.) has a lot in common with later stereotypes of “white imperialists.”


Oh right, I forgot this thread occasionally had easily triggered people who are offended by genuine historical questions.
Northern Davincia wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:Is it just me, or does ancient Rome seem like it had its own version of the Yellow Peril? The stereotyping of the East (Egypt, Syria, etc.) has a lot in common with later stereotypes of “Orientals.”

The same might be true with the Greeks and Persians.


It's definitely true for the Greeks, since the concept of Oriental despotism originated there.
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Hanafuridake wrote:Is it just me, or does ancient Rome seem like it had its own version of the Yellow Peril? The stereotyping of the East (Egypt, Syria, etc.) has a lot in common with later stereotypes of “Orientals.”

Oriental Despots out pls


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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat May 04, 2019 9:50 am

Hanafuridake wrote:It's definitely true for the Greeks, since the concept of Oriental despotism originated there.

Did you ever hear the tragedy of the Hellenes? I thought not. It's not a story the Diadochi would tell you. It's a Western legend. The Hellenes were a free culture, so powerful and so wise they could use statecraft to influence cultures to create liberty… they had such a knowledge of Orientalism that they could even keep the ones they cared about from falling under a despot's throne. The Oriental side of statecraft is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. They became so powerful… the only thing they were afraid of was losing their power, which eventually, of course, they did. Unfortunately, they taught their basileus everything they knew, then their basileus enslaved and persified them. Ironic. They could save others from slavery, but not themselves.
Come on, you must admit that me ruling the Western world as the Son of Heaven would be epic.

>> when the 'friends of the king' have to sit by his chair and eat his scraps like dogs
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Postby North German Realm » Sat May 04, 2019 9:52 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Any source I could read up on for that? The few I've read (as information on the Parthians is sparse and hard to find, thanks a lot Sassanids) are in Persian and I wouldn't really quote them here. Just... uh... don't quote Herodotus please.

Herodotus a bit before the Arsacids, isn't he?

If you have Persian sources, you might be better read on the subject than me. I thought I read it in Josephus but I can't find it, will continue to look.

It's because the Sassanid revolt specifically happened because some Zoroastrian Mage told a local petty king "You have the Divine Right to Kinghood, why should some piece of garbage [i]voted in by the Meghisthanes[,i] be the King in your place? [of course, there was more to it than that, but you know], so I was surprised to hear the Parthians believed in the Divine Right of Kinghood (Far-i Izadi, I think)

EDIT: Apparently, a form of Imperial Cult did exist in the Parthian Empire.
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