Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Bienenhalde]

Except that is clearly not the case, as things improved for women and minorities too.
It is not always a zero sum game.

Sure things were not always good for women and minorities in the 1950s and they had some disadvantages, it was still a time of great progress for them as well.

Are you kidding me? The 1950s were utter dogshit for minorities and women, even if things were improving. It wasn't just "not always good". "Not always good" is what you say about a minor inconvenience, not about a turbulent time when entire sections of society were literally fighting almost tooth and nail to have equal rights.

And 2019 is awful for practically everyone, regardless of race or gender.

[Torrocca]

Are you kidding me? The 1950s were utter dogshit for minorities and women, even if things were improving. It wasn't just "not always good". "Not always good" is what you say about a minor inconvenience, not about a turbulent time when entire sections of society were literally fighting almost tooth and nail to have equal rights.

And 2019 is awful for practically everyone, regardless of race or gender.

Still better than the 1950s by a wide margin.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Are you kidding me? The 1950s were utter dogshit for minorities and women, even if things were improving. It wasn't just "not always good". "Not always good" is what you say about a minor inconvenience, not about a turbulent time when entire sections of society were literally fighting almost tooth and nail to have equal rights.

And 2019 is awful for practically everyone, regardless of race or gender.

I mean, I’ve had a great year thus far.

[Kowani]

Fulfilling that craving beings pleasure.

During my adolescence there were times where I had been depressed and desired to not exist. The state of non-existence is totally devoid of pain or pleasure, hence it disputes the idea that we merely crave things which bring us pleasure.

That may have something to do with the depression. Mental health issues are there own thing.

Well, no. Something cannot be simultaneously progressive and regressive. It’s based on an absolute standard, the way things were in the past. The value of such things is relative, but their nature is not.
History would disagree.

Yes. My point is that someone, eventually, will make it happen. It is just human nature.

There is no absolutely single standard of progress.

You compare the things of today to those of the past. Whether the changes are good or bad is up to you, but it is still progress nonetheless.

And just because many things are better now than they were before (but other things not always so) does not make progress inevitable.

You’re right. It does mean that we can infer that people have a tendency to try and improve their situation. Even the most reactionary societies eventually progress. The pace is that of a snail, but it exists.

It's actually a decent watch if you get the time.

I see. Perhaps I shall.

[Hanafuridake]

As I have said before, I think that the Renaissance was a mistake as it lead to a distorted philosophy of "humanism" which led to the erosion of Christian morals, the rise of imperialism, and the idolization of whites as superior to other people.

The Renaissance was responsible for none of those things.

[Washington Resistance Army]

40% poverty rate. :^)

We should make that 100% tbh

[Jack Thomas Lang]

We should make that 100% tbh

Being poor builds character.

[Kowani]

Silly me, I forgot that art has no intrinsic meaning to it, and that ND posting a painting of a stereotypical 1950s white family where the men are emphasized the most in response to a post calling America hell to say that it wasn't hell in the 1950s has no underlying meanings whatsoever! The only "implication" was that Americans were happy at that time.

Stronger family units, stronger faith, and firm patriotism are good for society. Heck, happiness nowadays is dropping rapidly.

Ignoring the fact that that’s quite literally a Nazi program for a second, happiness may possibly be dropping due to unrestricted capitalism.

[Torrocca]

Silly me, I forgot that art has no intrinsic meaning to it, and that ND posting a painting of a stereotypical 1950s white family where the men are emphasized the most in response to a post calling America hell to say that it wasn't hell in the 1950s has no underlying meanings whatsoever! The only "implication" was that Americans were happy at that time.

Stronger family units,

Interesting how you only used an image of a white nuclear family for this one. I'm sure there's absolutely no underlying meaning there, especially in regards to a country as diverse as America.

stronger faith, and firm patriotism are good for society.

Is that what chugging beers in front of a lawnmower with your fellow white dudes implies nowadays?

Heck, happiness nowadays is dropping rapidly.

Gee, I wonder if it could have anything to do with the shitty economic system that's plaguing the world.

Nah, it's clearly the fault of all the average people for refusing to be religious and patriotic.

[Bienenhalde]

And 2019 is awful for practically everyone, regardless of race or gender.

Still better than the 1950s by a wide margin.

I am pretty sure it is worse, at least for white men. Not that I think it is the fault of women and minorities, per se. It has more to do with bad decisions made by white men themselves and impersonal social forces across the grand sweep of history.

[Northern Davincia]

And 2019 is awful for practically everyone, regardless of race or gender.

Still better than the 1950s by a wide margin.

For you, perhaps. A quick venture into the Rust Belt is all you need to know that what you perceive as better is unique.

[Kowani]

40% poverty rate. :^)

We should make that 100% tbh

…No, we very much should not.

We should make that 100% tbh

Being poor builds character.

Poverty leads to crime.

[Bienenhalde]

As I have said before, I think that the Renaissance was a mistake as it lead to a distorted philosophy of "humanism" which led to the erosion of Christian morals, the rise of imperialism, and the idolization of whites as superior to other people.

The Renaissance was responsible for none of those things.

Not sure how else you could explain it.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Stronger family units,

Interesting how you only used an image of a white nuclear family for this one. I'm sure there's absolutely no underlying meaning there, especially in regards to a country as diverse as America.

stronger faith, and firm patriotism are good for society.

Is that what chugging beers in front of a lawnmower with your fellow white dudes implies nowadays?

Heck, happiness nowadays is dropping rapidly.

Gee, I wonder if it could have anything to do with the shitty economic system that's plaguing the world.

Nah, it's clearly the fault of all the average people for refusing to be religious and patriotic.

You’re inferring a lot from a single picture he probably got by searching “1950s family”.

[Kowani]

Still better than the 1950s by a wide margin.

I am pretty sure it is worse, at least for white men. Not that I think it is the fault of women and minorities, per se. It has more to do with bad decisions made by white men themselves and impersonal social forces across the grand sweep of history.

…How exactly is it worse?

[Torrocca]

Still better than the 1950s by a wide margin.

I am pretty sure it is worse, at least for white men. Not that I think it is the fault of women and minorities, per se. It has more to do with bad decisions made by white men themselves and impersonal social forces across the grand sweep of history.

I'd blame it primarily on Capitalism, tbqh.

Still better than the 1950s by a wide margin.

For you, perhaps. A quick venture into the Rust Belt is all you need to know that what you perceive as better is unique.

Huh, it's almost like Capitalism fucked them over by taking business away from that area.

I'm certain you won't blame the amoralities of Capitalism, though, even as it conflicts with your Catholicism.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We should make that 100% tbh

Being poor builds character.

This but unironically. The American lifestyle in general could use a change to be less focused on rampant materialism and hedonism.

[Yusseria]

We should make that 100% tbh

Being poor builds character.

This is true, tbh. The poor are typically the most generous with what they have.

[Novus America]

Are you taking about the 1850s?

Civil rights made huge advances in the 1950s. Brown was 1954.

Reminder that the Little Rock 9 didn’t happen for another 3 years. Civil Rights Act doesn’t get passed until ‘64. Voting Rights Act, ‘65. De facto segregation? Please.

They did have access to education. Not always equal and perfect education.
Though they still do not.

Shitty education is an improvement in the way being punched is better than being whipped.

Lynchings were not common. Many were not poor or saw their material conditions massively improve.

40% poverty rate. :^)

The 1950s were not some perfect utopia. But neither were they all bad for women and minorities.

They were…pretty bad.[/quote]

1957 was in the 1950s. Duh.
There was A Civil Rights act in 1964 yes.
The Civil Rights act of 64 was not the only civil rights act.
There was also one in in 1957.

Civil rights was not passed in one law. It was a series of acts and steps.
Many of those steps happened in the 50s.

Improvement is still improvement.
Progress is relative. If things were better than before it is still progress.
40% poverty means 60% were not.
And things were much better than in the 40s.

Relative to now, many (but not all things) were worse yes.
But better than they had ever been.

[Kowani]

Being poor builds character.

This but unironically. The American lifestyle in general could use a change to be less focused on rampant materialism and hedonism.

Laughs in economic reality.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Being poor builds character.

This but unironically. The American lifestyle in general could use a change to be less focused on rampant materialism and hedonism.

So, your fiscal policy could be described as “every man a serf”?

[Torrocca]

Interesting how you only used an image of a white nuclear family for this one. I'm sure there's absolutely no underlying meaning there, especially in regards to a country as diverse as America.



Is that what chugging beers in front of a lawnmower with your fellow white dudes implies nowadays?



Gee, I wonder if it could have anything to do with the shitty economic system that's plaguing the world.

Nah, it's clearly the fault of all the average people for refusing to be religious and patriotic.

You’re inferring a lot from a single picture he probably got by searching “1950s family”.

Art clearly never pushes any underlying meanings whatsoever. Showing a white-only nuclear family in a 1950s-made painting says nothing whatsoever about what the average American of the time thought the American ideal was.

[Hanafuridake]

We should make that 100% tbh

Being poor builds character.

That's just plain false, in all honesty.

[Fahran]

Stronger family units, stronger faith, and firm patriotism are good for society. Heck, happiness nowadays is dropping rapidly.

Ignoring the fact that that’s quite literally a Nazi program for a second, happiness may possibly be dropping due to unrestricted capitalism.

Two of those are basic sociology. And all of them are more conservative than fascist. I don't think children turning in their parents for bad-mouthing the Fuehrer or priests being thrown into internment camps are really consistent with those values either.

[Torrocca]

Being poor builds character.

This but unironically. The American lifestyle in general could use a change to be less focused on rampant materialism and hedonism.

I too like to be impoverished.