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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 14, 2019 9:29 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Orthodoxy is lame. Come back when you have a winner on your hands.


Fact: the Orthodox have the best hats out of any Christians and thus are objectively the coolest


Bah, that's only since the 1960s when the Popes stopped using the Papal Tiara.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue May 14, 2019 9:30 am

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Conserative Morality wrote:So a direct contradiction. "Render unto Caesar" is a command to obey the earthly rulers, but then his disciple goes and says "Obey God as ruler, not earthly powers"?

All the Roman state was seen as comprised of acts of devotion towards various gods. Taxation itself was a deeply religious matter.

It’s one thing to give money to a government and they do what they want with it and a completely other thing to directly worship a false god or other power because all worship belongs fully to God.

Is it ever clearly outlined in the Bible what does and does not belong to God?
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:35 am

New edition of the thread is up. I'm keeping it locked until we actually reach page 500.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 9:36 am

Quick lads, talk about something wildly controversial so we can reach 500.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:37 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Quick lads, talk about something wildly controversial so we can reach 500.

Who was the most Evil Dictator in History?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 9:37 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Quick lads, talk about something wildly controversial so we can reach 500.

Who was the most Evil Dictator in History?


Barrack Obama.

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 14, 2019 9:37 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Galloism wrote:
Keep in mind Jesus didn't say "render everything to Caesar always". He said "Render Caesar's things to Caesar, and God's things to God". There's no contradiction in that - he specifically implied that some things are not Caesar's to take. Therefore, Peter was following the direction given by Jesus when refusing to give Caesar things that belong to God.

And isn't God's domain all of the universe? Or does Caesar get to keep him out of his little corner? Just a cheap fucking cop-out.


It's really best understood in terms of governmental hierarchy.

You're ordered by the state of California to take a certain action. If the feds are silent to the issue, you must comply. But if there's a United States law that says you can't take that action, then you must comply with federal law - the higher authority.

Similarly, if the Roman government tells you to take a certain action, and God is silent about it, you must comply. If that would violate an order from God, then you must comply with God - the higher authority.

It's really quite simple.

This is not unlike the military command to follow orders generally, unless those orders are in violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, passed by Congress, which is a higher authority than your commanding officer.

Regarding taxation itself being considered a religious devotion, I think I'd have to see some sourcing on that.

https://www.elca.org/JLE/Articles/605
https://www.persee.fr/docAsPDF/ccgg_101 ... 1_1372.pdf

The concept of taxes as both public and sacred dues to the Roman state and to the powers that supposedly upheld it was a major part of Roman taxation. The treasury itself was fucking sacred.

First one doesn't seem to talk about it being considered a religious devotion at all. Second one gives me an error message. In french.

Tracing it back through the site lands me on a very long article. I'm about halfway down and it hasn't mentioned religious devotion of tax paying at all. Can you tell me where to focus?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 14, 2019 9:38 am

Camelone wrote:It’s one thing to give money to a government and they do what they want with it and a completely other thing to directly worship a false god or other power because all worship belongs fully to God.

The legal fiction of the Emperor's personhood was a deeply enshrined aspect of Roman law. Official business was carried out in front of an image of the Emperor; when high-ranking imperial officials under command of the Emperor and not the Senate acted, they acted with the personhood of the Emperor.

This is why when several officials moved the hands of Christians who refused to make the sacrifices, they still counted it and sent them on their way: it was an execution on behalf of the Emperor, in his personhood. What the individual believed didn't matter. It wasn't a matter of worship, it was a matter of exercising the will of the Emperor as his agent - obeying the law and the state.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:40 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Who was the most Evil Dictator in History?


Barrack Obama.

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Postby Diopolis » Tue May 14, 2019 9:42 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Quick lads, talk about something wildly controversial so we can reach 500.

Who was the most Evil Dictator in History?

Napoleon.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 9:42 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Barrack Obama.

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Maoist Obama huh? I'm torn on how to feel about this. On one hand commies bad, but on the other hand P E O P L E S W A R

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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 9:46 am

Now let me just say before space runs out that "Making Things Right Again" is hopelessly lame, even as a campaign slogan and AM I DOING THIS RIGHT???
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:48 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Who was the most Evil Dictator in History?


Barrack Obama.

What FDR or Wilson don’t get a mention?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 9:48 am

Duhon wrote:Now let me just say before space runs out that "Making Things Right Again" is hopelessly lame, even as a campaign slogan and AM I DOING THIS RIGHT???


3/10 too much red

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Barrack Obama.

What FDR or Wilson don’t get a mention?


FDR didn't carry out the Bowling Green Massacre

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:49 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Barrack Obama.

What FDR or Wilson don’t get a mention?

They should...right up there with Obama

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue May 14, 2019 9:49 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Who was the most Evil Dictator in History?


Barrack Obama.

Not a dictator.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:49 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Duhon wrote:Now let me just say before space runs out that "Making Things Right Again" is hopelessly lame, even as a campaign slogan and AM I DOING THIS RIGHT???


3/10 too much red

Thermodolia wrote:What FDR or Wilson don’t get a mention?


FDR didn't carry out the Bowling Green Massacre

Ok that still leaves Wilson.

Maybe we should have a street fighters style fight.
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Postby Diopolis » Tue May 14, 2019 9:49 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Barrack Obama.

What FDR or Wilson don’t get a mention?

Wilson was the worst president in our history.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:50 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
3/10 too much red



FDR didn't carry out the Bowling Green Massacre

Ok that still leaves Wilson.

Maybe we should have a street fighters style fight.

What like fisticuffs?

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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 9:50 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
3/10 too much red



FDR didn't carry out the Bowling Green Massacre

Ok that still leaves Wilson.

Maybe we should have a street fighters style fight.


No, ERB.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:50 am

Duhon wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ok that still leaves Wilson.

Maybe we should have a street fighters style fight.


No, ERB.

ERB?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 9:51 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Barrack Obama.

Not a dictator.


LiberNovusAmericae gets an honorary mention in the list.

Diopolis wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What FDR or Wilson don’t get a mention?

Wilson was the worst president in our history.


idk man, Wilson was shit but it's nigh impossible to beat Buchanan

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:51 am

Diopolis wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What FDR or Wilson don’t get a mention?

Wilson was the worst president in our history.

If Wilson didn’t exist the Soviet Union never would have risen. Syndicalism would have remained the main leftist movement
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:51 am

Duhon wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ok that still leaves Wilson.

Maybe we should have a street fighters style fight.


No, ERB.

Oh that’s a good idea
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue May 14, 2019 9:52 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Not a dictator.


LiberNovusAmericae gets an honorary mention in the list.

Diopolis wrote:Wilson was the worst president in our history.


idk man, Wilson was shit but it's nigh impossible to beat Buchanan

Who?
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