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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 14, 2019 4:07 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
He was just fed up with this place, but couldn’t be bothered to wait for his profile to go ex-nation.


Can't really blame him tbh. It was real hard for me not to commit suicide by mod after that one thread happened.

I can't really blame him either to be honest. I love you all, but sometimes you folks don't mix well with each other.
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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Tue May 14, 2019 4:17 am

Diopolis wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Not in the Russian Empire.
Also you can be economically okay and still mistreated and marginalized.

Wealthy middleman minorities elsewhere don't seem to be leading revolutionary movements. I mean, Indians in Apartheid SA, Chinese in Malaysia, and Igbos in Nigeria, just to name a few examples, seem interested in maintaining the status quo.
And, to the point, most of the Russian revolutionaries were not Peasant ben Farmerstein. They came from wealthy, educated, urban jews.


Chinese in Maylasia? :rofl:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency
“Chin Peng was born on 21 October 1924 into a middle-class family in the small seaside town of Sitiawan, in Perak state, Malaya.”

Also for the “rich Jews never get pogroms” what was the Holocaust?

Also it is not uncommon for the educated class of a group to lead revolutionary activity allegedly on behalf the more worse off in a group. Unfortunately these revolutions, like the Russian revolution often go astray. Most leaders of the Bolsheviks, both Jewish and non Jewish were educated middle class.

Most leaders of the French Revolution were educated middle class, not the worst off.

Actually pretty much every revolution is actually lead by educated middle or upperclass who are angry for the worst off, not the worst off.
This is is pretty much EVERY revolution. Not something innately Jewish or some other stab in the back dem ebul Jews BS.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Novus America » Tue May 14, 2019 4:20 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
He was just fed up with this place, but couldn’t be bothered to wait for his profile to go ex-nation.


Can't really blame him tbh. It was real hard for me not to commit suicide by mod after that one thread happened.


The mods here are atrocious but we still do have good conversations at times.
Others not, but I have learned things I would not otherwise.
People demanding sources and links makes you really learn what you are advocating.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Joohan » Tue May 14, 2019 5:39 am

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


I understand that the bombings were intrinsic in winning the war - but that is not to say that I find them justifiable. It helped to end WW2, but I still don't like it.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue May 14, 2019 5:40 am

Strategic bombing made sense, it worked, and therefore it is justified.
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Postby Hakons » Tue May 14, 2019 6:00 am

Duhon wrote:Just noticed this thread's gonna go to pot in 7 more pages. Ecrasez l'infâme!


>Searches French phrase because historical French phrases are fun

>Realizes it's from Voltaire

>When he was talking about wanting to destroy the Church

*resets sign to zero days since Voltaire was proven to be a mistake*
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 6:04 am

Hakons wrote:
Duhon wrote:Just noticed this thread's gonna go to pot in 7 more pages. Ecrasez l'infâme!


>Searches French phrase because historical French phrases are fun

>Realizes it's from Voltaire

>When he was talking about wanting to destroy the Church

*resets sign to zero days since Voltaire was proven to be a mistake*


=p

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 14, 2019 6:43 am

Hakons wrote:
Duhon wrote:Just noticed this thread's gonna go to pot in 7 more pages. Ecrasez l'infâme!


>Searches French phrase because historical French phrases are fun

>Realizes it's from Voltaire

>When he was talking about wanting to destroy the Church

*resets sign to zero days since Voltaire was proven to be a mistake*

Did Voltaire actively want to destroy the church?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 14, 2019 6:45 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:Strategic bombing made sense, it worked, and therefore it is justified.

Not saying bombing Nazi cities was unjustified, but lots of horrible things make sense and work.
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 6:49 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Benuty wrote:I mean considering it used to be that you aren't wrong. Otherwise we will spend all night debating between Constantinople, and Instanbul again.

Might as well. Königsberg held about the same cultural and historical significance for Germans as Constantinople did for Greeks.

Really? Didn't know that.

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Postby Andsed » Tue May 14, 2019 6:50 am

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.

Eh with regards to the bombings I am conflicted. They did help weaken Germany but also kill thousands of civilians. I think I would consider it a more or less a nessary evil kind of like the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 6:59 am

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.

I think it was a horrible tragedy. The Nazi Regime was terrible, but the German People suffered horribly as the War drew to its end. Almost as much as the Russians suffered.

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Postby Diopolis » Tue May 14, 2019 7:19 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:TFW CM thinks this is actually a clever comeback but just shows he doesn't actually know what a Devil King is.

>> tfw I know the context of the quote and it's basically the same comeback Nobunaga himself used against Shingen, the equivalent of mocking a point of the opposition with a diametrically opposed shitpost
Only the Protestants really.

Yes, I am sure that's why Catholics are more liberal than the Protestants here in the States. They are upholding an even older form of the religion. =^)
I don't know of any liberal reformation of Catholicism,

Did you miss Vatican II?

Vatican II was not Catholic. It was an attempt to import the heresies of the french revolution into the church.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 7:20 am

Diopolis wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> tfw I know the context of the quote and it's basically the same comeback Nobunaga himself used against Shingen, the equivalent of mocking a point of the opposition with a diametrically opposed shitpost

Yes, I am sure that's why Catholics are more liberal than the Protestants here in the States. They are upholding an even older form of the religion. =^)

Did you miss Vatican II?

Vatican II was not Catholic. It was an attempt to import the heresies of the french revolution into the church.

Its succeeded so far, eh?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 7:32 am

Not a Christian but tbh the Orthodox Church is the one true church and anyone who disagrees is a heretic and probably a l*beral too
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 14, 2019 7:33 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not a Christian but tbh the Orthodox Church is the one true church and anyone who disagrees is a heretic and probably a l*beral too


Not a Christian but the Pope is the rightful heir to St. Peter.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue May 14, 2019 7:36 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not a Christian but tbh the Orthodox Church is the one true church and anyone who disagrees is a heretic and probably a l*beral too

Not a Christian but there really didn't need to be a power struggle between the Pope and the Emperor and Christianity would be much better off if it hadn't happened.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 7:36 am

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not a Christian but tbh the Orthodox Church is the one true church and anyone who disagrees is a heretic and probably a l*beral too


Not a Christian but the Pope is the rightful heir to St. Peter.


I feel like an uber progressive liberal claiming this kinda validates my position :p
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 7:36 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not a Christian but tbh the Orthodox Church is the one true church and anyone who disagrees is a heretic and probably a l*beral too

Even he understands...

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 7:37 am

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not a Christian but tbh the Orthodox Church is the one true church and anyone who disagrees is a heretic and probably a l*beral too


Not a Christian but the Pope is the rightful heir to St. Peter.

Heresy!

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Postby Diopolis » Tue May 14, 2019 7:38 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Vatican II was not Catholic. It was an attempt to import the heresies of the french revolution into the church.

Its succeeded so far, eh?

Hey, yall imported the sexual revolution into your church well before Vatican II.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 14, 2019 7:39 am

Diopolis wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Its succeeded so far, eh?

Hey, yall imported the sexual revolution into your church well before Vatican II.

You mean we allow people to marry before getting ordained?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 7:41 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not a Christian but tbh the Orthodox Church is the one true church and anyone who disagrees is a heretic and probably a l*beral too

Not a Christian but there really didn't need to be a power struggle between the Pope and the Emperor and Christianity would be much better off if it hadn't happened.


You're not wrong. Though all the schismatic nonsense is proof of the superiority of ye olde polytheistic traditions :p

Also nobody ever answered my question on if we have a new OP picked yet : (
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Postby Hakons » Tue May 14, 2019 7:43 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Hey, yall imported the sexual revolution into your church well before Vatican II.

You mean we allow people to marry before getting ordained?


Referring to lax divorce rules, I believe
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Postby Novus America » Tue May 14, 2019 7:43 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not a Christian but tbh the Orthodox Church is the one true church and anyone who disagrees is a heretic and probably a l*beral too


The Orthodox Churches, One Church. Pick one and only one...
Seriously though there is no single united Orthodox Church.
There are a bunch of fighting and politicking, actually completely independent and often quite different churches.
Some of which are in communion with some others and not with others.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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