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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 14, 2019 12:17 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> siding with Nazis

We've got another one bound for exile in Nebraska, boys!


It was Wyoming nerd. Smh liberals thinking they know how to terrorize people, Nebraska is a godsend compared to that place.

All states that aren't on the coasts are the same to me; might as well send you to Illinois for all I care! t. coastal elite in my ivory tower or something like that
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Napkizemlja
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:18 am

Genivaria wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Hilariously this describes Nazi Germany itself for the first half of the war.

You mean the half where Germany was occupying Western Europe?

Yes, they weren't waging total war until early 1943. That is when they decided to throw the whole nation into the effort. Came a bit late.
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Napkizemlja
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:19 am

Duhon wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Poison Tsar Peter III before he could sign the peace treaty with Freddy the Overrated and then let Catherine and Maria Theresia squash Prussia like a bug.


... is this in reference to something?

Napkizemlja wrote:Hilariously this describes Nazi Germany itself for the first half of the war.


Explain.

Germany didn't embrace totaler krieg until early 1943.
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 14, 2019 12:20 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Duhon wrote:
... is this in reference to something?



Explain.

Germany didn't embrace totaler krieg until early 1943.

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Invade Cuba too smh



Yes, Germany didn't mobilize for total war in true effect until 44.

Then maybe I should clarify, when I mentioned 'waging total war' I wasn't talking about the society or economy of Germany but of their doctrine used against their opponent's.
Full economic and social mobilization is only one aspect of total war.
Total war is warfare that includes any and all civilian-associated resources and infrastructure as legitimate military targets
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Napkizemlja
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:24 am

Genivaria wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Germany didn't embrace totaler krieg until early 1943.

Genivaria wrote:Then maybe I should clarify, when I mentioned 'waging total war' I wasn't talking about the society or economy of Germany but of their doctrine used against their opponent's.
Full economic and social mobilization is only one aspect of total war.

Two aspects and pretty key ones at that. Germany wasn't in a state of total war before 1943.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:25 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It was Wyoming nerd. Smh liberals thinking they know how to terrorize people, Nebraska is a godsend compared to that place.

All states that aren't on the coasts are the same to me; might as well send you to Illinois for all I care! t. coastal elite in my ivory tower or something like that


We should ban the coastal states tbh. t. Washingtonian

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North German Realm
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Democratic Socialists

Postby North German Realm » Tue May 14, 2019 12:30 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Genivaria wrote:

Two aspects and pretty key ones at that. Germany wasn't in a state of total war before 1943.

Which is either really really sad or really really hilarious. What, they didn't expect to "need" as much in the war effort while fighting approximately half of the Great Powers in the world at the same time?
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Washington Resistance Army
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:31 am

Do we have an OP for the next thread yet? If not we should probably get on that ASAP.

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Napkizemlja
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:31 am

If your state can't identify with Old Town Road then it should be banned.
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Napkizemlja
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:33 am

North German Realm wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Two aspects and pretty key ones at that. Germany wasn't in a state of total war before 1943.

Which is either really really sad or really really hilarious. What, they didn't expect to "need" as much in the war effort while fighting approximately half of the Great Powers in the world at the same time?

The German strategy was to knock their opponents out of the war as fast as possible, so yes they didn't really think it was necessary in the beginning.
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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue May 14, 2019 12:44 am

North German Realm wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Two aspects and pretty key ones at that. Germany wasn't in a state of total war before 1943.

Which is either really really sad or really really hilarious. What, they didn't expect to "need" as much in the war effort while fighting approximately half of the Great Powers in the world at the same time?

Because Hitler was still committed to the idea of a quick war, which is what he originally intended WW2 to be when he ignited it by attacking Poland. Obviously, once Britain didn't surrender it became pretty clear that the war wasn't going to be quick, but Hitler being who he was refused to acknowledge it. It wasn't until Albert Speer pleaded with him that he finally relented and committed the Germany economy to total war.

The years-long delay cost Germany quite a bit.
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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 14, 2019 1:14 am

Rip Minz.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 14, 2019 1:51 am

Napkizemlja wrote:We lost a mad lad in Minzerland, boys. F to pay respects.

F

We didn't lose him, he committed suicide by mod.
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Jack Thomas Lang
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Tue May 14, 2019 2:11 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:We didn't lose him, he committed suicide by mod.

That's the only way a real right-winger can go out in this here thread. Six-shooters blazing while being felled by the Liberal Law.
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FelrikTheDeleted
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Tue May 14, 2019 3:01 am

Duhon wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:We lost a mad lad in Minzerland, boys. F to pay respects.

F


Having been on the receiving end of a DEAT and several warnings and bans, I'm disappointed he chose to go out like that, myself. May his twin bro talk sense into him, whatever he's going through.

F

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


Well, if there were other ways to bring Nazi Germany to heel before dragging it to hell, let's hear it.


He was just fed up with this place, but couldn’t be bothered to wait for his profile to go ex-nation.

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Duhon
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 3:38 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Having been on the receiving end of a DEAT and several warnings and bans, I'm disappointed he chose to go out like that, myself. May his twin bro talk sense into him, whatever he's going through.

F



Well, if there were other ways to bring Nazi Germany to heel before dragging it to hell, let's hear it.


He was just fed up with this place, but couldn’t be bothered to wait for his profile to go ex-nation.


=/

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 3:50 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Having been on the receiving end of a DEAT and several warnings and bans, I'm disappointed he chose to go out like that, myself. May his twin bro talk sense into him, whatever he's going through.

F



Well, if there were other ways to bring Nazi Germany to heel before dragging it to hell, let's hear it.


He was just fed up with this place, but couldn’t be bothered to wait for his profile to go ex-nation.


Can't really blame him tbh. It was real hard for me not to commit suicide by mod after that one thread happened.

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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 14, 2019 3:59 am

Oh yes there's been several occasions I've wanted to do that sort of thing. Use proxies or whatever and you can retain a presence even after DoS, but personally the inability to be open in it would remove the temptation to return; obviously tempting in times when this place has felt like an exercise in masochism.

I can't judge longtime posters who go "suicide by mod" in the slightest.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 14, 2019 4:07 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
He was just fed up with this place, but couldn’t be bothered to wait for his profile to go ex-nation.


Can't really blame him tbh. It was real hard for me not to commit suicide by mod after that one thread happened.

I can't really blame him either to be honest. I love you all, but sometimes you folks don't mix well with each other.
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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Tue May 14, 2019 4:17 am

Diopolis wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Not in the Russian Empire.
Also you can be economically okay and still mistreated and marginalized.

Wealthy middleman minorities elsewhere don't seem to be leading revolutionary movements. I mean, Indians in Apartheid SA, Chinese in Malaysia, and Igbos in Nigeria, just to name a few examples, seem interested in maintaining the status quo.
And, to the point, most of the Russian revolutionaries were not Peasant ben Farmerstein. They came from wealthy, educated, urban jews.


Chinese in Maylasia? :rofl:
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Also for the “rich Jews never get pogroms” what was the Holocaust?

Also it is not uncommon for the educated class of a group to lead revolutionary activity allegedly on behalf the more worse off in a group. Unfortunately these revolutions, like the Russian revolution often go astray. Most leaders of the Bolsheviks, both Jewish and non Jewish were educated middle class.

Most leaders of the French Revolution were educated middle class, not the worst off.

Actually pretty much every revolution is actually lead by educated middle or upperclass who are angry for the worst off, not the worst off.
This is is pretty much EVERY revolution. Not something innately Jewish or some other stab in the back dem ebul Jews BS.
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Postby Novus America » Tue May 14, 2019 4:20 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
He was just fed up with this place, but couldn’t be bothered to wait for his profile to go ex-nation.


Can't really blame him tbh. It was real hard for me not to commit suicide by mod after that one thread happened.


The mods here are atrocious but we still do have good conversations at times.
Others not, but I have learned things I would not otherwise.
People demanding sources and links makes you really learn what you are advocating.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Joohan
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Postby Joohan » Tue May 14, 2019 5:39 am

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


I understand that the bombings were intrinsic in winning the war - but that is not to say that I find them justifiable. It helped to end WW2, but I still don't like it.

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Loben The 2nd
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Right-wing Utopia

Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue May 14, 2019 5:40 am

Strategic bombing made sense, it worked, and therefore it is justified.

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Hakons
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Hakons » Tue May 14, 2019 6:00 am

Duhon wrote:Just noticed this thread's gonna go to pot in 7 more pages. Ecrasez l'infâme!


>Searches French phrase because historical French phrases are fun

>Realizes it's from Voltaire

>When he was talking about wanting to destroy the Church

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Duhon
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 6:04 am

Hakons wrote:
Duhon wrote:Just noticed this thread's gonna go to pot in 7 more pages. Ecrasez l'infâme!


>Searches French phrase because historical French phrases are fun

>Realizes it's from Voltaire

>When he was talking about wanting to destroy the Church

*resets sign to zero days since Voltaire was proven to be a mistake*


=p

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