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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 11:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It is precisely that anti-compromise attitude that's destroying America.


There's a great many things destroying America, but this isn't very high up on the list. Anti-compromise attitudes have only become popular in the recent past, and for good reason. Nobody respects compromise and always seeks to subvert it further for ideological goals. Trying to come to the table with someone who wants the polar opposite of you is insanity.

Subversion of compromise is a result of anti-conpromise attitudes, not a cause of them. Of course you can't comprise with someone who wants the polar opposite of you, but that isn't applicable here (yet).
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Napkizemlja
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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon May 13, 2019 11:41 pm

What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 11:42 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It is precisely that anti-compromise attitude that's destroying America.

Compromise is ended Reconstruction.

I refer you to my previous statement. "Comprise where you can. Don't budgd where you can't."
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Psychedelic Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0
Social: -8
NS Stats should be taken with a pinch of salt, but they're not too far off. Policies are way off though.
I'm an 18 year old Australian male* who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

*I'm sort of questioning my gender, thinking I might be gender dysphoric, so if you want, you can use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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PunishedMinz
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Postby PunishedMinz » Mon May 13, 2019 11:45 pm

The King returns

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 13, 2019 11:46 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There's a great many things destroying America, but this isn't very high up on the list. Anti-compromise attitudes have only become popular in the recent past, and for good reason. Nobody respects compromise and always seeks to subvert it further for ideological goals. Trying to come to the table with someone who wants the polar opposite of you is insanity.

Subversion of compromise is a result of anti-conpromise attitudes, not a cause of them. Of course you can't comprise with someone who wants the polar opposite of you, but that isn't applicable here (yet).


You're 110% wrong on the first part. People stopped compromising because it never went anywhere and nobody ever respected them.

It sure as shit is applicable in America. How can a gun rights activist compromise with someone who wants to repeal the 2A and ban everything more than grandpas hunting rifle? How can someone who honest to God thinks abortion is murder compromise with someone who is firmly pro-choice? How can someone who wants to protect and expand LGBTQwhateverthefuckelsetheydecidetoadd rights compromise with a traditionalist who thinks society is best with strict gender roles and that people are decidedly only male or female? How does a libertarian compromise with someone who supports the Imperial Presidency and shit like the PATRIOT Act? How does someone who wants strong border security compromise with someone who thinks ICE is made up of unironic Hitlerian Nazis and thinks "illegal immigrant" is hate speech?

It's not possible.
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PunishedMinz
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Postby PunishedMinz » Mon May 13, 2019 11:48 pm

Rats (progressives) keep moving this is a holy (right wing) man’s neighbourhood

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Napkizemlja
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:02 am

We lost a mad lad in Minzerland, boys. F to pay respects.

F
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Rostavykhan
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Postby Rostavykhan » Tue May 14, 2019 12:02 am

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


They're German, so of course it was justified.

Also

Napkizemlja wrote:We lost a mad lad in Minzerland, boys. F to pay respects.

F


F
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:03 am

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


We should have joined the Axis and invaded Canada. Manifest destiny and all that.
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Napkizemlja
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:04 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


We should have joined the Axis and invaded Canada. Manifest destiny and all that.

Do you really want Quebec?
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:04 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
We should have joined the Axis and invaded Canada. Manifest destiny and all that.

Do you really want Quebec?


We incorporated Louisiana, we could make it work.
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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 12:04 am

Napkizemlja wrote:We lost a mad lad in Minzerland, boys. F to pay respects.

F


Having been on the receiving end of a DEAT and several warnings and bans, I'm disappointed he chose to go out like that, myself. May his twin bro talk sense into him, whatever he's going through.

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Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


Well, if there were other ways to bring Nazi Germany to heel before dragging it to hell, let's hear it.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:07 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Do you really want Quebec?


We incorporated Louisiana, we could make it work.

Yeah but then you gotta take in JT.
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 14, 2019 12:07 am

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.

Not waging total war against a nation that is waging total war against you is like being in a knife fight with one arm tied behind your back.
It would certainly be better that all participants follow the proper rules of war but that's very rare in reality.
General Sherman did nothing wrong, fact.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue May 14, 2019 12:07 am

Duhon wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:We lost a mad lad in Minzerland, boys. F to pay respects.

F


Having been on the receiving end of a DEAT and several warnings and bans, I'm disappointed he chose to go out like that, myself. May his twin bro talk sense into him, whatever he's going through.

F

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


Well, if there were other ways to bring Nazi Germany to heel before dragging it to hell, let's hear it.

Poison Tsar Peter III before he could sign the peace treaty with Freddy the Overrated and then let Catherine and Maria Theresia squash Prussia like a bug.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:08 am

Genivaria wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.

Not waging total war against a nation that is waging total war against you is like being in a knife fight with one arm tied behind your back.

Hilariously this describes Nazi Germany itself for the first half of the war.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:09 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
We incorporated Louisiana, we could make it work.

Yeah but then you gotta take in JT.


The Butterfly Effect probably would have ensured he wouldn't have been born. It's a win-win.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:10 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Yeah but then you gotta take in JT.


The Butterfly Effect probably would have ensured he wouldn't have been born. It's a win-win.

Pretty sure Fidel Castro would still exist in that timeline.
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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 12:10 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Poison Tsar Peter III before he could sign the peace treaty with Freddy the Overrated and then let Catherine and Maria Theresia squash Prussia like a bug.


... is this in reference to something?

Napkizemlja wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Not waging total war against a nation that is waging total war against you is like being in a knife fight with one arm tied behind your back.

Hilariously this describes Nazi Germany itself for the first half of the war.


Explain.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 14, 2019 12:10 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Not waging total war against a nation that is waging total war against you

Hilariously this describes Nazi Germany itself for the first half of the war.

You mean the half where Germany was occupying Western Europe?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:13 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Butterfly Effect probably would have ensured he wouldn't have been born. It's a win-win.

Pretty sure Fidel Castro would still exist in that timeline.


Invade Cuba too smh

Genivaria wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Hilariously this describes Nazi Germany itself for the first half of the war.

You mean the half where Germany was occupying Western Europe?


Yes, Germany didn't mobilize for total war in true effect until 44.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 14, 2019 12:14 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


We should have joined the Axis and invaded Canada. Manifest destiny and all that.

>> siding with Nazis

We've got another one bound for exile in Nebraska, boys!
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 12:14 am

Just noticed this thread's gonna go to pot in 7 more pages. Ecrasez l'infâme!

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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 14, 2019 12:14 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Pretty sure Fidel Castro would still exist in that timeline.


Invade Cuba too smh

Genivaria wrote:You mean the half where Germany was occupying Western Europe?


Yes, Germany didn't mobilize for total war in true effect until 44.

Then maybe I should clarify, when I mentioned 'waging total war' I wasn't talking about the society or economy of Germany but of their doctrine used against their opponent's.
Full economic and social mobilization is only one aspect of total war.
Total war is warfare that includes any and all civilian-associated resources and infrastructure as legitimate military targets
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:16 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
We should have joined the Axis and invaded Canada. Manifest destiny and all that.

>> siding with Nazis

We've got another one bound for exile in Nebraska, boys!


It was Wyoming nerd. Smh liberals thinking they know how to terrorize people, Nebraska is a godsend compared to that place.
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