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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 12:10 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Poison Tsar Peter III before he could sign the peace treaty with Freddy the Overrated and then let Catherine and Maria Theresia squash Prussia like a bug.


... is this in reference to something?

Napkizemlja wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Not waging total war against a nation that is waging total war against you is like being in a knife fight with one arm tied behind your back.

Hilariously this describes Nazi Germany itself for the first half of the war.


Explain.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 14, 2019 12:10 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Not waging total war against a nation that is waging total war against you

Hilariously this describes Nazi Germany itself for the first half of the war.

You mean the half where Germany was occupying Western Europe?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:13 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Butterfly Effect probably would have ensured he wouldn't have been born. It's a win-win.

Pretty sure Fidel Castro would still exist in that timeline.


Invade Cuba too smh

Genivaria wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Hilariously this describes Nazi Germany itself for the first half of the war.

You mean the half where Germany was occupying Western Europe?


Yes, Germany didn't mobilize for total war in true effect until 44.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 14, 2019 12:14 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


We should have joined the Axis and invaded Canada. Manifest destiny and all that.

>> siding with Nazis

We've got another one bound for exile in Nebraska, boys!
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 12:14 am

Just noticed this thread's gonna go to pot in 7 more pages. Ecrasez l'infâme!

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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 14, 2019 12:14 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Pretty sure Fidel Castro would still exist in that timeline.


Invade Cuba too smh

Genivaria wrote:You mean the half where Germany was occupying Western Europe?


Yes, Germany didn't mobilize for total war in true effect until 44.

Then maybe I should clarify, when I mentioned 'waging total war' I wasn't talking about the society or economy of Germany but of their doctrine used against their opponent's.
Full economic and social mobilization is only one aspect of total war.
Total war is warfare that includes any and all civilian-associated resources and infrastructure as legitimate military targets
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:16 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
We should have joined the Axis and invaded Canada. Manifest destiny and all that.

>> siding with Nazis

We've got another one bound for exile in Nebraska, boys!


It was Wyoming nerd. Smh liberals thinking they know how to terrorize people, Nebraska is a godsend compared to that place.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 14, 2019 12:17 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> siding with Nazis

We've got another one bound for exile in Nebraska, boys!


It was Wyoming nerd. Smh liberals thinking they know how to terrorize people, Nebraska is a godsend compared to that place.

All states that aren't on the coasts are the same to me; might as well send you to Illinois for all I care! t. coastal elite in my ivory tower or something like that
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:18 am

Genivaria wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Hilariously this describes Nazi Germany itself for the first half of the war.

You mean the half where Germany was occupying Western Europe?

Yes, they weren't waging total war until early 1943. That is when they decided to throw the whole nation into the effort. Came a bit late.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:19 am

Duhon wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Poison Tsar Peter III before he could sign the peace treaty with Freddy the Overrated and then let Catherine and Maria Theresia squash Prussia like a bug.


... is this in reference to something?

Napkizemlja wrote:Hilariously this describes Nazi Germany itself for the first half of the war.


Explain.

Germany didn't embrace totaler krieg until early 1943.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 14, 2019 12:20 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Duhon wrote:
... is this in reference to something?



Explain.

Germany didn't embrace totaler krieg until early 1943.

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Invade Cuba too smh



Yes, Germany didn't mobilize for total war in true effect until 44.

Then maybe I should clarify, when I mentioned 'waging total war' I wasn't talking about the society or economy of Germany but of their doctrine used against their opponent's.
Full economic and social mobilization is only one aspect of total war.
Total war is warfare that includes any and all civilian-associated resources and infrastructure as legitimate military targets

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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:24 am

Genivaria wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Germany didn't embrace totaler krieg until early 1943.

Genivaria wrote:Then maybe I should clarify, when I mentioned 'waging total war' I wasn't talking about the society or economy of Germany but of their doctrine used against their opponent's.
Full economic and social mobilization is only one aspect of total war.

Two aspects and pretty key ones at that. Germany wasn't in a state of total war before 1943.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:25 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It was Wyoming nerd. Smh liberals thinking they know how to terrorize people, Nebraska is a godsend compared to that place.

All states that aren't on the coasts are the same to me; might as well send you to Illinois for all I care! t. coastal elite in my ivory tower or something like that


We should ban the coastal states tbh. t. Washingtonian
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Postby North German Realm » Tue May 14, 2019 12:30 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Genivaria wrote:

Two aspects and pretty key ones at that. Germany wasn't in a state of total war before 1943.

Which is either really really sad or really really hilarious. What, they didn't expect to "need" as much in the war effort while fighting approximately half of the Great Powers in the world at the same time?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:31 am

Do we have an OP for the next thread yet? If not we should probably get on that ASAP.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:31 am

If your state can't identify with Old Town Road then it should be banned.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:33 am

North German Realm wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Two aspects and pretty key ones at that. Germany wasn't in a state of total war before 1943.

Which is either really really sad or really really hilarious. What, they didn't expect to "need" as much in the war effort while fighting approximately half of the Great Powers in the world at the same time?

The German strategy was to knock their opponents out of the war as fast as possible, so yes they didn't really think it was necessary in the beginning.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue May 14, 2019 12:44 am

North German Realm wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Two aspects and pretty key ones at that. Germany wasn't in a state of total war before 1943.

Which is either really really sad or really really hilarious. What, they didn't expect to "need" as much in the war effort while fighting approximately half of the Great Powers in the world at the same time?

Because Hitler was still committed to the idea of a quick war, which is what he originally intended WW2 to be when he ignited it by attacking Poland. Obviously, once Britain didn't surrender it became pretty clear that the war wasn't going to be quick, but Hitler being who he was refused to acknowledge it. It wasn't until Albert Speer pleaded with him that he finally relented and committed the Germany economy to total war.

The years-long delay cost Germany quite a bit.
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 14, 2019 1:14 am

Rip Minz.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 14, 2019 1:51 am

Napkizemlja wrote:We lost a mad lad in Minzerland, boys. F to pay respects.

F

We didn't lose him, he committed suicide by mod.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Tue May 14, 2019 2:11 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:We didn't lose him, he committed suicide by mod.

That's the only way a real right-winger can go out in this here thread. Six-shooters blazing while being felled by the Liberal Law.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Tue May 14, 2019 3:01 am

Duhon wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:We lost a mad lad in Minzerland, boys. F to pay respects.

F


Having been on the receiving end of a DEAT and several warnings and bans, I'm disappointed he chose to go out like that, myself. May his twin bro talk sense into him, whatever he's going through.

F

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


Well, if there were other ways to bring Nazi Germany to heel before dragging it to hell, let's hear it.


He was just fed up with this place, but couldn’t be bothered to wait for his profile to go ex-nation.

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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 3:38 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Having been on the receiving end of a DEAT and several warnings and bans, I'm disappointed he chose to go out like that, myself. May his twin bro talk sense into him, whatever he's going through.

F



Well, if there were other ways to bring Nazi Germany to heel before dragging it to hell, let's hear it.


He was just fed up with this place, but couldn’t be bothered to wait for his profile to go ex-nation.


=/

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 3:50 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Having been on the receiving end of a DEAT and several warnings and bans, I'm disappointed he chose to go out like that, myself. May his twin bro talk sense into him, whatever he's going through.

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Well, if there were other ways to bring Nazi Germany to heel before dragging it to hell, let's hear it.


He was just fed up with this place, but couldn’t be bothered to wait for his profile to go ex-nation.


Can't really blame him tbh. It was real hard for me not to commit suicide by mod after that one thread happened.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 14, 2019 3:59 am

Oh yes there's been several occasions I've wanted to do that sort of thing. Use proxies or whatever and you can retain a presence even after DoS, but personally the inability to be open in it would remove the temptation to return; obviously tempting in times when this place has felt like an exercise in masochism.

I can't judge longtime posters who go "suicide by mod" in the slightest.
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