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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Minzerland II
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 11:24 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:‘ignorant’ so coy

So arrogant.

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Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 13, 2019 11:25 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Compromise is a meme that just leads to neither party getting what they want and breeds discontent amongst both sides who will seek to subvert said compromise at the nearest opportunity.

Source: America

It is precisely that anti-compromise attitude that's destroying America.


There's a great many things destroying America, but this isn't very high up on the list. Anti-compromise attitudes have only become popular in the recent past, and for good reason. Nobody respects compromise and always seeks to subvert it further for ideological goals. Trying to come to the table with someone who wants the polar opposite of you is insanity.
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 11:25 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Kowani wrote:Who pissed in your Cheerio’s this morning?

Mr. (((Schlomo))) obviously

Uh-huh.

Napkizemlja wrote:I'm more of Frosted Flakes kind of guy. Interestingly, iirc, corn flakes were invented to try and prevent masturbation.

What.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 11:26 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Compromise is a meme that just leads to neither party getting what they want and breeds discontent amongst both sides who will seek to subvert said compromise at the nearest opportunity.

Source: America

It is precisely that anti-compromise attitude that's destroying America.

Compromise is ended Reconstruction.
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Telconi wrote:Every once in a while Kowani does have a decent point.

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Joohan
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Joohan » Mon May 13, 2019 11:32 pm

Garibaldi did nothing wrong. Lincoln did nothing wrong. Ataturk did nothing wrong.


Ataturk was a liberal who wanted to destroy the Turkish identity so as to turn his country into another cosmopolitan European state. Muy wrong

Joohan wrote:1. Didn't the freedmen do quite well for themselves in Roman society?

No.
Such a huge part of the Roman bureaucracy and administration that I think either Claudius or Hadrian had to enact Roman Affirmative Action just to make sure they didn't completely dominate civil service.

Incorrect again. They were barred from certain positions because beforehand, those imperial positions were only open to freedmen, because it was seen as inappropriate for the Primus Inter Pares to give commands to his fellow citizens not under arms.
I think The only people who could really talk down with authority to them were the more traditional aristocracy.

No.


I wasn't too familiar with the situation of the freedmen in Roman society, but after reading through some sources it seems like they were quite well off - certainly more so than most of the groups on this list at least. An extensive employ within the state, often a specialized workforce, I've seen a couple of the freedmen became quite wealthy and reputable like the playwright Terence, or the brothers of house Vettii. There was supposedly even a play which poked fun at the rising class of wealthy freedmen in the Satyricon. It just seems like the freedmen of Rome weren't really discriminated against on the level we might associate with say blacks in America prior to civil rights.

2. Poor got massacred, the rich would pay bribes for their protection

First part is correct, second isn't. Remember the massacres on King Richard I's coronation day? I am very sure that the prominent Jewish members of society bringing gifts to Richard's coronation were very poor fellows indeed.


The jews who came to the coronation ceremony knew ahead of time they weren't supposed to be there - it was a ceremonial tradition. The king hadn't gone out of his way to try and persecute them, they just came at a time and place when they knew that they shouldn't have. And that pogroms would often kill rich and poor alike isn't in dispute - but I am saying that the Rich often were often free from any such worries. Again, during the people's crusade, while tens of thousands of soldiers were moving from western Europe through Germany, it was wealthy jews who would bribe these roving armies into continue moving toward the Holy Land - ensuring their security ( for all but the count Emicho ).

For fuck's sake, this is such a ridiculous position to take that I have trouble attributing it solely to ignorance.


Sure, lol :roll:
3. were never an affluent group to begin with

lol


10/10, would reply again :clap: .
4. Merchants weren't trusted by the locals... so what? If not respected, merchants were an extremely powerful and influential class throughout the Medieval age

"Weren't trusted by the locals"

That's a very fine way of saying "Completely at the mercy of an aristocracy which hated their guts absent the ability to beat them on the field of battle"

The only reason merchants became powerful and influential was because they created entire fucking parallel societies in the larger cities.


… that's, kind of entirely the point i'm making. It didn't matter if people didn't like the merchants - they were so rich and powerful that they didn't care.

5. Same as their counterparts in Europe.

No, in fact, it was much worse, because China and Japan didn't develop quite the same tradition of decentralized pseudo-city-states that Europe did.

The worst discrimination that the Shang ( merchant class ) ever received was being forbidden to take the scholar entrance exam, and not being able to hold government office. Regardless of this, merchants were still able to acquire vast amounts of wealth, land, and influence within the imperial government - well beyond their supposed social standing. Hell, by the Song dynasty even the conservative scholarly class was working hand in hand with the merchants to secure commercial monopolies and pool their own wealth. I don't see how they were more marginalized than the average peasant because they were barred from becoming officials or because the scholars wrote mean things about them.

6. Again, astoundingly poor. Though, for those who did manage to become rich, their lot in society was quite fantastic: C. J. Walker, Jeremiah Walker had no trouble with being black after becoming millionaires.

Yes, I am sure that her advocacy and donation of hundreds of thousands of dollars in causes against racism was purely an abstract concern.

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I'm not following what you mean here. And for whatever CJ Walker did, Jeremiah Hamilton ( my bad first time round in writing Walker ) contributed nothing to help fight racism ( quite the opposite if anything ).
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Minzerland II
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 11:33 pm

How does it feel to be the David Irving for the Mongols hordes, CM?
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Minzerland II
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 11:36 pm

Minzerland II wrote:How does it feel to be the David Irving for the Mongols hordes, CM?

Isn’t the first prostitute the hordes had the pleasure of knowing

just like your hero the Whore of Bithynia with your genocide apologism
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 11:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It is precisely that anti-compromise attitude that's destroying America.


There's a great many things destroying America, but this isn't very high up on the list. Anti-compromise attitudes have only become popular in the recent past, and for good reason. Nobody respects compromise and always seeks to subvert it further for ideological goals. Trying to come to the table with someone who wants the polar opposite of you is insanity.

Subversion of compromise is a result of anti-conpromise attitudes, not a cause of them. Of course you can't comprise with someone who wants the polar opposite of you, but that isn't applicable here (yet).
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Napkizemlja
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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon May 13, 2019 11:41 pm

What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 11:42 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It is precisely that anti-compromise attitude that's destroying America.

Compromise is ended Reconstruction.

I refer you to my previous statement. "Comprise where you can. Don't budgd where you can't."
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PunishedMinz
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Postby PunishedMinz » Mon May 13, 2019 11:45 pm

The King returns

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 13, 2019 11:46 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There's a great many things destroying America, but this isn't very high up on the list. Anti-compromise attitudes have only become popular in the recent past, and for good reason. Nobody respects compromise and always seeks to subvert it further for ideological goals. Trying to come to the table with someone who wants the polar opposite of you is insanity.

Subversion of compromise is a result of anti-conpromise attitudes, not a cause of them. Of course you can't comprise with someone who wants the polar opposite of you, but that isn't applicable here (yet).


You're 110% wrong on the first part. People stopped compromising because it never went anywhere and nobody ever respected them.

It sure as shit is applicable in America. How can a gun rights activist compromise with someone who wants to repeal the 2A and ban everything more than grandpas hunting rifle? How can someone who honest to God thinks abortion is murder compromise with someone who is firmly pro-choice? How can someone who wants to protect and expand LGBTQwhateverthefuckelsetheydecidetoadd rights compromise with a traditionalist who thinks society is best with strict gender roles and that people are decidedly only male or female? How does a libertarian compromise with someone who supports the Imperial Presidency and shit like the PATRIOT Act? How does someone who wants strong border security compromise with someone who thinks ICE is made up of unironic Hitlerian Nazis and thinks "illegal immigrant" is hate speech?

It's not possible.
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PunishedMinz
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Postby PunishedMinz » Mon May 13, 2019 11:48 pm

Rats (progressives) keep moving this is a holy (right wing) man’s neighbourhood

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Napkizemlja
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:02 am

We lost a mad lad in Minzerland, boys. F to pay respects.

F
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Postby Rostavykhan » Tue May 14, 2019 12:02 am

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


They're German, so of course it was justified.

Also

Napkizemlja wrote:We lost a mad lad in Minzerland, boys. F to pay respects.

F


F
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:03 am

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


We should have joined the Axis and invaded Canada. Manifest destiny and all that.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:04 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


We should have joined the Axis and invaded Canada. Manifest destiny and all that.

Do you really want Quebec?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:04 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
We should have joined the Axis and invaded Canada. Manifest destiny and all that.

Do you really want Quebec?


We incorporated Louisiana, we could make it work.
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 12:04 am

Napkizemlja wrote:We lost a mad lad in Minzerland, boys. F to pay respects.

F


Having been on the receiving end of a DEAT and several warnings and bans, I'm disappointed he chose to go out like that, myself. May his twin bro talk sense into him, whatever he's going through.

F

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


Well, if there were other ways to bring Nazi Germany to heel before dragging it to hell, let's hear it.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:07 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Do you really want Quebec?


We incorporated Louisiana, we could make it work.

Yeah but then you gotta take in JT.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 14, 2019 12:07 am

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.

Not waging total war against a nation that is waging total war against you is like being in a knife fight with one arm tied behind your back.
It would certainly be better that all participants follow the proper rules of war but that's very rare in reality.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue May 14, 2019 12:07 am

Duhon wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:We lost a mad lad in Minzerland, boys. F to pay respects.

F


Having been on the receiving end of a DEAT and several warnings and bans, I'm disappointed he chose to go out like that, myself. May his twin bro talk sense into him, whatever he's going through.

F

Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.


Well, if there were other ways to bring Nazi Germany to heel before dragging it to hell, let's hear it.

Poison Tsar Peter III before he could sign the peace treaty with Freddy the Overrated and then let Catherine and Maria Theresia squash Prussia like a bug.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:08 am

Genivaria wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:What is the RWDT's opinion on the strategic bombing campaign of Nazi Germany by the RAF and USAAF? Is it justifiable, yes or no? I believe it was, considering that it was total war and it was the only viable means to damage German industry sufficiently.

Not waging total war against a nation that is waging total war against you is like being in a knife fight with one arm tied behind your back.

Hilariously this describes Nazi Germany itself for the first half of the war.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 14, 2019 12:09 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
We incorporated Louisiana, we could make it work.

Yeah but then you gotta take in JT.


The Butterfly Effect probably would have ensured he wouldn't have been born. It's a win-win.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 12:10 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Yeah but then you gotta take in JT.


The Butterfly Effect probably would have ensured he wouldn't have been born. It's a win-win.

Pretty sure Fidel Castro would still exist in that timeline.
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