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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Postby Benuty » Mon May 13, 2019 10:53 pm

Kowani wrote:
Benuty wrote:By that measure lack of knowledge is generally considered the supreme form of knowledge as we all know.

I love the Socratic method, but god do I hate that particular idea.

I mean if Jennifer McCarthy can convince people her son's autism was cured, and totally caused by vaccines then why not? Of course, she could be a misanthrope in disguise wanting to maim, hurt, and kill tens of thousands of people for the absurdity of it all.
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 10:55 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:I’m a tradcat you dunce

Wait... so then... by the standards of your own post, you know nothing as well?

This is getting too Socratic for me. How can you dispute knowledge of an issue if you lack knowledge on the issue?

duh

we all waste our time talking about this shit and especially progressive, because they know the least
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 10:56 pm

Benuty wrote:
Kowani wrote:I love the Socratic method, but god do I hate that particular idea.

I mean if Jennifer McCarthy can convince people her son's autism was cured, and totally caused by vaccines then why not? Of course, she could be a misanthrope in disguise wanting to maim, hurt, and kill tens of thousands of people for the absurdity of it all.

You see, this is why I hate people. ‘Cause idiots.
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 13, 2019 10:57 pm

Kowani wrote:
Benuty wrote:I mean if Jennifer McCarthy can convince people her son's autism was cured, and totally caused by vaccines then why not? Of course, she could be a misanthrope in disguise wanting to maim, hurt, and kill tens of thousands of people for the absurdity of it all.

You see, this is why I hate people. ‘Cause idiots.

Wait till you read up on the people who "literally eat" air. Those are a fun lot especially since their diets seem to come to a killer conclusion.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 11:00 pm

Minzerland II wrote:Hmmm ‘liberal reformation of Catholicism’

Compared to Vatican I? In a big way. All things are relative.
Hanafuridake wrote:Yes, considering it's strange to bring up all religious people when we're specifically talking about conservatives.

First the conversation is conservatives, then its liberal reformations, now it's conservatives again. I think there's some form of miscommunication here. My point stands, however, as very few conservative Catholics even wish to adhere to Vatican I (although some are still none-too-pleased with Vatican II); conservative Islam in the modern day is deeply inspired by Ottoman ideology or 19th century revivalism from a nationalist and modern point of view; etc, etc.
You didn't just claim that they were compatible with liberalism, you claimed they were liberal.

That's because Hinduism has had liberal schools from the start,


Which I have a hard time believing because it sounds like the claim that Jesus was a Communist.

I misspoke then. I didn't mean to project liberal values onto schools that far predate it, only that there was no need to liberalize something that's already compatible with liberalism.
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 11:00 pm

Benuty wrote:
Kowani wrote:You see, this is why I hate people. ‘Cause idiots.

Wait till you read up on the people who "literally eat" air. Those are a fun lot especially since their diets seem to come to a killer conclusion.

I had a teacher who drank chlorophyll once. Thought she was a plant.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 11:00 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Wait... so then... by the standards of your own post, you know nothing as well?

This is getting too Socratic for me. How can you dispute knowledge of an issue if you lack knowledge on the issue?

duh

we all waste our time talking about this shit and especially progressive, because they know the least

0 > 0 > 0

Hmm...
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 11:02 pm

Compared with Vatican I? Just a continuation my man, not rupture bro
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 11:03 pm

Benuty wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:No one who's correct or right believes this.

I hate to be that person, but let's take this rabbit hole even further. You can be a person who is right or correct, and still, be wrong on some things. For example, the man (Norman Borlaug) who pretty much prevented the Malthusian apocalypse from manifesting in the 1970s, and 1980s thought global warming was utter nonsense.

You know what I mean
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 13, 2019 11:03 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:First the conversation is conservatives, then its liberal reformations, now it's conservatives again. I think there's some form of miscommunication here. My point stands, however, as very few conservative Catholics even wish to adhere to Vatican I (although some are still none-too-pleased with Vatican II); conservative Islam in the modern day is deeply inspired by Ottoman ideology or 19th century revivalism from a nationalist and modern point of view; etc, etc.
You didn't just claim that they were compatible with liberalism, you claimed they were liberal.



Which I have a hard time believing because it sounds like the claim that Jesus was a Communist.

I misspoke then. I didn't mean to project liberal values onto schools that far predate it, only that there was no need to liberalize something that's already compatible with liberalism.


Then yes, I don't disagree with you, various Hindu schools of thought are compatible with liberalism. Gandhi is the most obvious example of someone who merged his Hindu beliefs with religious pluralism and secularism.
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 11:03 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:duh

we all waste our time talking about this shit and especially progressive, because they know the least

0 > 0 > 0

Hmm...

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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon May 13, 2019 11:04 pm

Divorcing oneself from ideology, one could argue that the Renaissance, and to a lesser extent the Enlightenment, were reactionary given how often they sought to emulate Classical Antiquity and "bring back" aspects of it.
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 11:13 pm

Napkizemlja wrote:Divorcing oneself from ideology, one could argue that the Renaissance, and to a lesser extent the Enlightenment, were reactionary given how often they sought to emulate Classical Antiquity and "bring back" aspects of it.

One could, but one would be wrong.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 11:14 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:No one who's correct or right believes this.

Oh, is morality objective again?

Let's not do this now.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 11:16 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:No one who's correct or right believes this.

Then you must face the simple fact that the vast majority of people are not correct or right on every issue, and as such, the idea that moderation on its own merits will not result in horrendous compromises is simply an untenable position.

I agree, being moderate on everything is a bad idea. Compromise when you can. When you can't, don't.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon May 13, 2019 11:17 pm

Kowani wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Divorcing oneself from ideology, one could argue that the Renaissance, and to a lesser extent the Enlightenment, were reactionary given how often they sought to emulate Classical Antiquity and "bring back" aspects of it.

One could, but one would be wrong.

Not necessarily. From the perspective of the 14th+ centuries, to a considerable extent the proponents of classicalism were certainly arguing in favor of the status quo ante. And it was the reaction of looking to the past to bring back lost values in order to improve the present and future, which is a hallmark of reactionary thought and politics.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 13, 2019 11:18 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Then you must face the simple fact that the vast majority of people are not correct or right on every issue, and as such, the idea that moderation on its own merits will not result in horrendous compromises is simply an untenable position.

I agree, being moderate on everything is a bad idea. Compromise when you can. When you can't, don't.


Compromise is a meme that just leads to neither party getting what they want and breeds discontent amongst both sides who will seek to subvert said compromise at the nearest opportunity.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon May 13, 2019 11:18 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Genivaria wrote:When did insulting people you disagree with become a valid argument?

I’m a tradcat you dunce

So you're just ignorantly insulting all progressives?
Oh and me of course.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 11:20 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I agree, being moderate on everything is a bad idea. Compromise when you can. When you can't, don't.


Compromise is a meme that just leads to neither party getting what they want and breeds discontent amongst both sides who will seek to subvert said compromise at the nearest opportunity.

Source: America

It is precisely that anti-compromise attitude that's destroying America.
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 11:20 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:That’s really the problem, though, you know nothing, just like every other tradcat or progressive that surfs these stupid forums, but you have an obsession with pretending to be an expert on shit

Mind pointing out where I pretended I was an expert? I am sure that you can do so and are not just sore about the fact that I have a different opinion on a matter of theology than you. I am assured of this. Of this I am assured.

I think I’m more sore that you’re allowed to touch a computer, tbqh, the internets average IQ would by 100+ higher, though obviously below zero you’re basic bitch progressivism and American exceptionalism is the scourge of the earth worse than the Black Plague in consequences and scope
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 11:21 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:I’m a tradcat you dunce

So you're just ignorantly insulting all progressives?
Oh and me of course.

‘ignorant’ so coy
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 11:22 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Mind pointing out where I pretended I was an expert? I am sure that you can do so and are not just sore about the fact that I have a different opinion on a matter of theology than you. I am assured of this. Of this I am assured.

I think I’m more sore that you’re allowed to touch a computer, tbqh, the internets average IQ would by 100+ higher, though obviously below zero you’re basic bitch progressivism and American exceptionalism is the scourge of the earth worse than the Black Plague in consequences and scope

Who pissed in your Cheerio’s this morning?
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Postby Genivaria » Mon May 13, 2019 11:23 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So you're just ignorantly insulting all progressives?
Oh and me of course.

‘ignorant’ so coy

So arrogant.

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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 11:23 pm

Kowani wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:I think I’m more sore that you’re allowed to touch a computer, tbqh, the internets average IQ would by 100+ higher, though obviously below zero you’re basic bitch progressivism and American exceptionalism is the scourge of the earth worse than the Black Plague in consequences and scope

Who pissed in your Cheerio’s this morning?

Mr. (((Schlomo))) obviously
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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon May 13, 2019 11:24 pm

I'm more of Frosted Flakes kind of guy. Interestingly, iirc, corn flakes were invented to try and prevent masturbation.
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