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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 10:18 pm

Kowani wrote:For everyone who assumes that extremism is inherently negative, I retreat to my old retort: Let’s only gas half the Jews.

No one believes this.
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 13, 2019 10:22 pm

Kowani wrote:
Benuty wrote:I mean the easiest way toward actual genocide has always been to have fifth columns inside the group you want to exterminate to do the work for them.

…That wasn’t what I meant at all, but good to know?

I am sure that's what opportunist collaborators thought as they were shipping their opponents off to the death camps until they themselves were shipped off or shot by resistance.

Case in point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Lejkin
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 10:22 pm

Of course it is the American Progressive that doesn’t know anything about the Second Vatican Council.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 10:23 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:For everyone who assumes that extremism is inherently negative, I retreat to my old retort: Let’s only gas half the Jews.

No one believes this.

So you say, but that's simply not true. The level of extermination to be carried out by anti-semites throughout history has varied. Some have advocated only killing religious Jews. Others only the poor ones; others only the rich. For another example, many in the South would have been happy post-Civil War if the impossible could be achieved, and blacks could be re-enslaved. Others felt that it was enough to 'only' keep them in their place, or trap them as sharecroppers. And once Grant, that hero of the Union, was out of office, what was it that happened?

Dealers in compromise take the path of least resistance - extremism is in standing up for your fellow man.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 10:24 pm

Minzerland II wrote:Of course it is the American Progressive that doesn’t know anything about the Second Vatican Council.

As the saying goes, an atheist doesn't go to mass, listen to the Pope, or know anything Catholicism. So basically an atheist is the same as a Catholic. :)

But I know Vatican II well enough to contrast it to Vatican I. Don't you?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 10:25 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:No one believes this.

So you say, but that's simply not true. The level of extermination to be carried out by anti-semites throughout history has varied. Some have advocated only killing religious Jews. Others only the poor ones; others only the rich. For another example, many in the South would have been happy post-Civil War if the impossible could be achieved, and blacks could be re-enslaved. Others felt that it was enough to 'only' keep them in their place, or trap them as sharecroppers. And once Grant, that hero of the Union, was out of office, what was it that happened?

Dealers in compromise take the path of least resistance - extremism is in standing up for your fellow man.

No one who's smart believes this.
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Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0
Social: -8
NS Stats should be taken with a pinch of salt, but they're not too far off. Policies are way off though.
I'm an 18 year old Australian male* who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 10:26 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:For everyone who assumes that extremism is inherently negative, I retreat to my old retort: Let’s only gas half the Jews.

No one believes this.

And that’s still not the point I’m making.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 13, 2019 10:27 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:So you say, but that's simply not true. The level of extermination to be carried out by anti-semites throughout history has varied. Some have advocated only killing religious Jews. Others only the poor ones; others only the rich. For another example, many in the South would have been happy post-Civil War if the impossible could be achieved, and blacks could be re-enslaved. Others felt that it was enough to 'only' keep them in their place, or trap them as sharecroppers. And once Grant, that hero of the Union, was out of office, what was it that happened?

Dealers in compromise take the path of least resistance - extremism is in standing up for your fellow man.

No one who's smart believes this.


Most people aren't smart.
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Postby The Grims » Mon May 13, 2019 10:27 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:Of course it is the American Progressive that doesn’t know anything about the Second Vatican Council.

As the saying goes, an atheist doesn't go to mass, listen to the Pope, or know anything Catholicism. So basically an atheist is the same as a Catholic. :)

In the USA an atheist may even be a better Catholic than a Catholic since they obey the Vatican ban on circumcision.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 10:28 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:No one who's smart believes this.

On the contrary, many of the men in the South were heirs of what is called the Counter-Enlightenment, a strain of thought arising in the early 19th century to defend slavery on philosophical grounds - they were not stupid men, though they held repugnant and vile positions. Likewise, many of the compromisers in the Republican Party were well-educated men in their own right, and not fools in the least. They simply did not care enough about the plight of African-Americans to put up resistance, when compromise offered them peace on the issue.

Intelligence is no guarantee of being correct or right.
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 13, 2019 10:28 pm

Minzerland II wrote:Of course it is the American Progressive that doesn’t know anything about the Second Vatican Council.

Oh boy, we might be witnessing something special happening here.
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 10:29 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:Of course it is the American Progressive that doesn’t know anything about the Second Vatican Council.

As the saying goes, an atheist doesn't go to mass, listen to the Pope, or know anything Catholicism. So basically an atheist is the same as a Catholic. :)

But I know Vatican II well enough to contrast it to Vatican I. Don't you?

You know literally nothing about the Second Vatican Council or the discussion around it within Catholicism, guaranteed. Just cues you’ve picked up from mindlessly arguing with sedememes and talking with (((progressive))) ‘Catholics’.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 10:30 pm

Minzerland II wrote:You know literally nothing about the Second Vatican Council or the discussion around it within Catholicism, guaranteed. Just cues you’ve picked up from mindlessly arguing with sedememes and talking with progressive ‘Catholics’.

Good talk, buddy, hope we have it again sometime. :)
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 13, 2019 10:30 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:No one who's smart believes this.

On the contrary, many of the men in the South were heirs of what is called the Counter-Enlightenment, a strain of thought arising in the early 19th century to defend slavery on philosophical grounds - they were not stupid men, though they held repugnant and vile positions. Likewise, many of the compromisers in the Republican Party were well-educated men in their own right, and not fools in the least. They simply did not care enough about the plight of African-Americans to put up resistance, when compromise offered them peace on the issue.

Intelligence is no guarantee of being correct or right.

I have to agree with you in that regard since intelligence can be abused in every circumstance especially war.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 10:31 pm

>> when you spend your formative teen years reading theology and philosophy books in your very Catholic grandmother's library
>> but you know nothing about Catholicism

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 10:31 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:You know literally nothing about the Second Vatican Council or the discussion around it within Catholicism, guaranteed. Just cues you’ve picked up from mindlessly arguing with sedememes and talking with progressive ‘Catholics’.

Good talk, buddy, hope we have it again sometime. :)

Hermeneutics of continuity not hermeneutics of rupture, bro
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 13, 2019 10:32 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:>> when you spend your formative teen years reading theology and philosophy books in your very Catholic grandmother's library
>> but you know nothing about Catholicism

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I thought you had a more evangelical background?
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 10:32 pm

Benuty wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:On the contrary, many of the men in the South were heirs of what is called the Counter-Enlightenment, a strain of thought arising in the early 19th century to defend slavery on philosophical grounds - they were not stupid men, though they held repugnant and vile positions. Likewise, many of the compromisers in the Republican Party were well-educated men in their own right, and not fools in the least. They simply did not care enough about the plight of African-Americans to put up resistance, when compromise offered them peace on the issue.

Intelligence is no guarantee of being correct or right.

I have to agree with you in that regard since intelligence can be abused in every circumstance especially war.

Case in point, Einstein’s hatred of quantum mechanics.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 10:33 pm

Benuty wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> when you spend your formative teen years reading theology and philosophy books in your very Catholic grandmother's library
>> but you know nothing about Catholicism

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I thought you had a more evangelical background?

My mother was an evangelical, but I got out of the religion in my teens - not coincidentally, that's when I started reading those books. I've referenced that one side of my family is very Catholic on here before, I believe.
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 10:33 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:>> when you spend your formative teen years reading theology and philosophy books in your very Catholic grandmother's library
>> but you know nothing about Catholicism

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 10:34 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:No one who's smart believes this.

On the contrary, many of the men in the South were heirs of what is called the Counter-Enlightenment, a strain of thought arising in the early 19th century to defend slavery on philosophical grounds - they were not stupid men, though they held repugnant and vile positions. Likewise, many of the compromisers in the Republican Party were well-educated men in their own right, and not fools in the least. They simply did not care enough about the plight of African-Americans to put up resistance, when compromise offered them peace on the issue.

Intelligence is no guarantee of being correct or right.

No one who's correct or right believes this.
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon May 13, 2019 10:34 pm

Guess u weren’t the only one to do that bud
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 10:34 pm

Minzerland II wrote:‘I went to a Catholic School ecksdee Im an expert’
‘I once read Bushido and I am an expert on japan’

>> when you never once said you were an expert or anything close, only that you knew enough for a compare and contrast of two very different and very prominent councils

I'm sorry, I literally know nothing. I feel very Socratic at the moment.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon May 13, 2019 10:36 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Where do liberals lie in this conflict?


Realistic answer: in the ditch cuz both sides hate you lol
Hopeful answer: as a third faction trying to restore normalcy

That's how it ended up last time.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 10:36 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:On the contrary, many of the men in the South were heirs of what is called the Counter-Enlightenment, a strain of thought arising in the early 19th century to defend slavery on philosophical grounds - they were not stupid men, though they held repugnant and vile positions. Likewise, many of the compromisers in the Republican Party were well-educated men in their own right, and not fools in the least. They simply did not care enough about the plight of African-Americans to put up resistance, when compromise offered them peace on the issue.

Intelligence is no guarantee of being correct or right.

No one who's correct or right believes this.

Then you must face the simple fact that the vast majority of people are not correct or right on every issue, and as such, the idea that moderation on its own merits will not result in horrendous compromises is simply an untenable position.
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