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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 8:41 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I wouldn't bet on it tbh. Everyone is racing to the extremes and we as society did too little to stop it when we potentially could have, and even if we tried to reverse course the genie's already out of the bottle. The far left is becoming more and more normalized and I'd argue the far right already has become normalized to most of us.

You're absolutely right - why isn't my side racing to any extremes? We need an extremist movement of our own to counter this madness!

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We don't need an ecmxtremist movement, we need a moderate movement.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon May 13, 2019 8:44 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:You're absolutely right - why isn't my side racing to any extremes? We need an extremist movement of our own to counter this madness!

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We don't need an ecmxtremist movement, we need a moderate movement.

How about moderate radical centrist extremism?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 8:45 pm

Nobunaga was a hero and a saint, Cromwell deserves canonization, William the Silent was too good for this sinful earth.
Hanafuridake wrote:Last I checked, it was the traditions of the reactionaries which make the people what they are today, so I'd put more stock on that than this.

Oh, I suppose that is why we are living under a feudal regime with a monarch at the moment, being trying in parallel ecclesiastical courts for the crime of blasphemy. Thank you for this insight!
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 13, 2019 8:45 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
History is repeating CM. Hope you're ready for another Nazi v Commie kerfuffle.

Where do liberals lie in this conflict?


Realistic answer: in the ditch cuz both sides hate you lol
Hopeful answer: as a third faction trying to restore normalcy
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 8:46 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Garibaldi did nothing wrong. Lincoln did nothing wrong. Ataturk did nothing wrong.

Death to the dogmas of reactionaries is life to the people.


Last I checked, it was the traditions of the reactionaries which make the people what they are today, so I'd put more stock on that than this.

Liberal ideology, for better or for worse, has had a far greater influence on the modern west than most ideologies considered reactionary.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 8:46 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote: We don't need an ecmxtremist movement, we need a moderate movement.

Yes, I am sure that more waffling about will really show those Nazis and radical leftists who's boss!
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon May 13, 2019 8:48 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote: We don't need an ecmxtremist movement, we need a moderate movement.

Yes, I am sure that more waffling about will really show those Nazis and radical leftists who's boss!

Shut everyone up with the sound of raw, unbridled American freedom. Liberty cannot be negotiated, only watered.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 8:49 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Where do liberals lie in this conflict?


Realistic answer: in the ditch cuz both sides hate you lol
Hopeful answer: as a third faction trying to restore normalcy

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Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 8:50 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Yes, I am sure that more waffling about will really show those Nazis and radical leftists who's boss!

Shut everyone up with the sound of raw, unbridled American freedom. Liberty cannot be negotiated, only watered.


*contorts in Pinoy*

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 8:52 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:We don't need an ecmxtremist movement, we need a moderate movement.

How about moderate radical centrist extremism?

That's plan B.
Conserative Morality wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote: We don't need an ecmxtremist movement, we need a moderate movement.

Yes, I am sure that more waffling about will really show those Nazis and radical leftists who's boss!

Who said anything about waffling?
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NS Stats should be taken with a pinch of salt, but they're not too far off. Policies are way off though.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon May 13, 2019 8:52 pm

Duhon wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Shut everyone up with the sound of raw, unbridled American freedom. Liberty cannot be negotiated, only watered.


*contorts in Pinoy*

In this blessed day, we are all destined to be liberated by the sweet land of liberty. Let freedom ring, with a shot heard round the world.
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Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 8:56 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Duhon wrote:
*contorts in Pinoy*

In this blessed day, we are all destined to be liberated by the sweet land of liberty. Let freedom ring, with a shot heard round the world.


... look, I said contort, not break apart, dammit.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 13, 2019 8:56 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Nobunaga was a hero and a saint,


Well he's burning in hell right now, not a very saintly destination.
Conserative Morality wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:Last I checked, it was the traditions of the reactionaries which make the people what they are today, so I'd put more stock on that than this.

Oh, I suppose that is why we are living under a feudal regime with a monarch at the moment, being trying in parallel ecclesiastical courts for the crime of blasphemy. Thank you for this insight!


Whether you like it or not, Christianity has had such an immense effect on your people that they literally wouldn't exist if it had never been born.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 9:00 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Nobunaga was a hero and a saint,


Well he's burning in hell right now, not a very saintly destination.
Conserative Morality wrote:Oh, I suppose that is why we are living under a feudal regime with a monarch at the moment, being trying in parallel ecclesiastical courts for the crime of blasphemy. Thank you for this insight!


Whether you like it or not, Christianity has had such an immense effect on your people that they literally wouldn't exist if it had never been born.

The presence of Christianity as a cultural force in the west does not mean reactionary ideology is still strong. Modern Christianity and Christian values are much more liberal and tolerant than they were in the middle ages.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 9:00 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Who said anything about waffling?

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:moderate

He who is moderate in his beliefs is not a believer in a cause, but a believer in a convenient state of affairs. He who only moderately dislikes injustice is no enemy of it. He who moderately enjoys democracy is no defender of it.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 9:03 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:Well he's burning in hell right now, not a very saintly destination.

I'm sure he's become the Demon King of Sixth Heaven he always said he was and is currently plotting on conquering the other five or so. :)
Whether you like it or not, Christianity has had such an immense effect on your people that they literally wouldn't exist if it had never been born.

Whether you like it or not, archaic religions have very little influence in their original form on the functions or form of modern society. Even the folk in the modern day who call themselves conservatives are only conserving, at most, a liberalized late 19th century conceptualization of the religion.
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Postby Tornado Queendom » Mon May 13, 2019 9:06 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Benuty wrote:Maybe, but the Soviets outright purged the area of German influence, population, and identity in brutally short fashion. The Ottoman Turks took far longer to do that to the Christian Greeks. To the point, if you were to bring that area back into the Greek nation it would be virtually alien in every way.

Yes, much the same happened to Danzig and Breslau.

Truly a sad state of affairs.

Here's what they should do: steal the in WWIII. They're already importing millions of Muslims, most of whom are not assimilating or being Germanized, so I don't see why they can't take back Konigsberg when they're already importing very different people.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 13, 2019 9:14 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:Well he's burning in hell right now, not a very saintly destination.

I'm sure he's become the Demon King of Sixth Heaven he always said he was and is currently plotting on conquering the other five or so. :)


When CM thinks this is actually a clever comeback but just shows he doesn't actually know what a Devil King is.
Conserative Morality wrote:
Whether you like it or not, Christianity has had such an immense effect on your people that they literally wouldn't exist if it had never been born.

Whether you like it or not, archaic religions have very little influence in their original form on the functions or form of modern society. Even the folk in the modern day who call themselves conservatives are only conserving, at most, a liberalized late 19th century conceptualization of the religion.


Only the Protestants really. I don't know of any liberal reformation of Catholicism, or Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, and other religions.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 9:23 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:TFW CM thinks this is actually a clever comeback but just shows he doesn't actually know what a Devil King is.

>> tfw I know the context of the quote and it's basically the same comeback Nobunaga himself used against Shingen, the equivalent of mocking a point of the opposition with a diametrically opposed shitpost
Only the Protestants really.

Yes, I am sure that's why Catholics are more liberal than the Protestants here in the States. They are upholding an even older form of the religion. =^)
I don't know of any liberal reformation of Catholicism,

Did you miss Vatican II?
or Hinduism,

That's because Hinduism has had liberal schools from the start, and thus was ready for the transition before democracy was even a light in little Pericles' eye. :)
Islam,

>> when American Muslims are more friendly towards gay marriage than evangelicals
>> when reformist movements in Islam and even LGBT friendly Mosques are at the forefront of popular development of Islam in the West

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Buddhism,

You got me there, the religion that mostly exists as an addendum to native spirituality anymore doesn't seem to have much of a modern presence. :)
and other religions.

Neopagan revivalists, Judaism, Sikhism (although that, like some schools of Hinduism, can be argued to have always had strongly compatible theology)...

All of which have heavy, often overwhelmingly majority, views of reform with an eye towards modernism, or the idea that a modernist outlook is the natural conclusion of 'returning to the roots'.
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 9:37 pm

For everyone who assumes that extremism is inherently negative, I retreat to my old retort: Let’s only gas half the Jews.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 13, 2019 9:55 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Yes, I am sure that's why Catholics are more liberal than the Protestants here in the States. They are upholding an even older form of the religion. =^)

>> when American Muslims are more friendly towards gay marriage than evangelicals
>> when reformist movements in Islam and even LGBT friendly Mosques are at the forefront of popular development of Islam in the West


Are all Catholics and Muslims conservatives?
Conserative Morality wrote:Did you miss Vatican II?


The Catholic Church is still very conservative, I'm not sure what was liberalized.
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or Hinduism,

That's because Hinduism has had liberal schools from the start, and thus was ready for the transition before democracy was even a light in little Pericles' eye. :)


I seriously doubt that Hinduism, which came into existence sometime between 500 BC - 500 CE, had liberal schools back then.
Conserative Morality wrote:You got me there, the religion that mostly exists as an addendum to native spirituality anymore doesn't seem to have much of a modern presence. :)


No. The vast majority of Buddhist countries (Thailand, Burma, Sri Lanka, Tibet) define their national identity around Buddhism, and even the most xenophobic exclusivists of Tokugawa Japan couldn't escape from Buddhism because it's strongly ingrained in Japanese culture.
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 13, 2019 10:04 pm

Kowani wrote:For everyone who assumes that extremism is inherently negative, I retreat to my old retort: Let’s only gas half the Jews.

I mean the easiest way toward actual genocide has always been to have fifth columns inside the group you want to exterminate to do the work for them.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 10:06 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:Are all Catholics and Muslims conservatives?

Is there a point to this question?
The Catholic Church is still very conservative, I'm not sure what was liberalized.

The Catholic Church is much less conservative than it was in the 19th century, which, if you compare and contrast what is expressed in Vatican II to Vatican I, you would realize.

As I said - even religious 'conservatism' in the modern day is nothing more than delayed liberalism.
I seriously doubt that Hinduism, which came into existence sometime between 500 BC - 500 CE, had liberal schools back then.

For someone who talks so much about eastern religions, you seem to know precious little about them. Five of the six OG schools of Hinduism are very compatible with liberal modernity.
No. The vast majority of Buddhist countries (Thailand, Burma, Sri Lanka, Tibet) define their national identity around Buddhism, and even the most xenophobic exclusivists of Tokugawa Japan couldn't escape from Buddhism because it's strongly ingrained in Japanese culture.

As they say in modern Japan, born Shinto, marry Christian, die Buddhist. I notice as well that you left out the biggest and most modern Buddhist majority country, in which over half of all Buddhists live. There wouldn't happen to be a reason for that, would there? =^^^)

I don't know much about the countries listed, so you could be right. But I doubt it.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 10:16 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I'm sure he's become the Demon King of Sixth Heaven he always said he was and is currently plotting on conquering the other five or so. :)


When CM thinks this is actually a clever comeback but just shows he doesn't actually know what a Devil King is.
Conserative Morality wrote:Whether you like it or not, archaic religions have very little influence in their original form on the functions or form of modern society. Even the folk in the modern day who call themselves conservatives are only conserving, at most, a liberalized late 19th century conceptualization of the religion.


Only the Protestants really. I don't know of any liberal reformation of Catholicism, or Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, and other religions.

Most Catholics I know aren't that reactionary sans some NSG users.
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 10:16 pm

Benuty wrote:
Kowani wrote:For everyone who assumes that extremism is inherently negative, I retreat to my old retort: Let’s only gas half the Jews.

I mean the easiest way toward actual genocide has always been to have fifth columns inside the group you want to exterminate to do the work for them.

…That wasn’t what I meant at all, but good to know?
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