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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 7:46 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:

Fuck I hate 2019. Almost as much as I hated 2018. Or 2017.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 13, 2019 7:47 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?


History is repeating CM. Hope you're ready for another Nazi v Commie kerfuffle.

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Hanafuridake
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 13, 2019 7:47 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?


Christian Europe: You can't be farmers and manual laborers, you can only work in finance and intelligentsia.
Jews: *develop a culture which prioritizes those fields*
Christian Europe:
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Joohan
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Joohan » Mon May 13, 2019 7:48 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?

Joohan wrote:
No. Not in the slightest. If there is one constant throughout history, having superior wealth pretty much damn near decides were your status is in society. So what if your neighbors hate you cause you're Guadeloupean - you employ those peons, live in a gated community, and take vacations down by the coast.

I can't think of a single society where in material wealth was not the greatest decider of social standing, exempting states were in the government attempted genocide for ideological reasons.

Is this a fucking joke?


Sight me an example were material wealth did not overcome the limitations of bigotry in a society.

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Hanafuridake
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 13, 2019 7:50 pm

Joohan wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?


Is this a fucking joke?


Sight me an example were material wealth did not overcome the limitations of bigotry in a society.


The Dalit.
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Conserative Morality
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 7:50 pm

Washingtonian Republic wrote:2020 is going to be worse, a lot worse if the trend keeps on. Imagine 2021, or even 2022.

Maybe by then we'll have come to our senses and kick the bastards to the curb.
Joohan wrote:
Emicho was the exception - were in nearly every other crusading army which passed through Germany at the time accepted bribes and moved onward.

Then why did you use as a source a link that led specifically to Emicho? Furthermore, from elsewhere in your own source
In general, the crusader mobs did not fear any retribution, as the local courts did not have the jurisdiction to pursue them past their locality nor did they have the ability to identify and prosecute individuals out of the mob.[9] The pleas of the clergy were ignored on similar grounds (no cases against individuals were brought forward for excommunication) and the mob believed that anyone preaching mercy to the Jews was doing so only because they had succumbed to Jewish bribery.[9] [CM's note: implying necessarily that the mob did not tolerate such mercies or such bribery]

Did you even read it?
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Joohan
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Postby Joohan » Mon May 13, 2019 7:52 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Joohan wrote:
Sight me an example were material wealth did not overcome the limitations of bigotry in a society.


The Dalit.


The poorest people in India.

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Washingtonian Republic
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Right-wing Utopia

Postby Washingtonian Republic » Mon May 13, 2019 7:52 pm

Joohan wrote:
Kowani wrote: I did not say they were treated well, but they certainly didn’t suffer the same way the Russian Jews did.

What is the Armenian Genocide?


I refer to you the People’s Crusade.


And my point is yet proven. Those jews with wealth and ties to business were able to save themselves from the violence, while their poorer counterparts were killed.

A few Christian clerics attempted to protect their Jewish counterparts from Emicho's crusade. However, their safeguards failed (obviously).

Emicho's crusade was more of a cover up for state directed burglary of Jewish financial assets.
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Conserative Morality
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 7:54 pm

Joohan wrote:Sight me an example were material wealth did not overcome the limitations of bigotry in a society.

Roman freedmen, infames, and peregrini.

Jews in Europe.

Moriscos in Spain.

Merchants in feudal societies.

Merchants in Confucian societies.

Merchants in feudal Confucian societies.

American blacks before the Civil Rights Movement.
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Conserative Morality
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 7:54 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?


History is repeating CM. Hope you're ready for another Nazi v Commie kerfuffle.

Get fucking hyped.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 7:57 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?


Christian Europe: You can't be farmers and manual laborers, you can only work in finance and intelligentsia.
Jews: *develop a culture which prioritizes those fields*
Christian Europe:
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The unmitigated gall!
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Duhon
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 8:04 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:

Fuck I hate 2019. Almost as much as I hated 2018. Or 2017.


2016 has been the longest year to date, I agree.

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Hanafuridake
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 13, 2019 8:04 pm

Joohan wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
The Dalit.


The poorest people in India.


Ironically a lot of enmity against Dalits in some areas has to do with them being economically successful.

Caste is divorced from economic status. There are poor brahmins and rich outcastes. That still doesn't upend the deep systematic social discrimination against them.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 13, 2019 8:06 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Maybe by then we'll have come to our senses and kick the bastards to the curb.


I wouldn't bet on it tbh. Everyone is racing to the extremes and we as society did too little to stop it when we potentially could have, and even if we tried to reverse course the genie's already out of the bottle. The far left is becoming more and more normalized and I'd argue the far right already has become normalized to most of us.

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Duhon
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 8:07 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?


Christian Europe: You can't be farmers and manual laborers, you can only work in finance and intelligentsia.
Jews: *develop a culture which prioritizes those fields*
Christian Europe:
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"No, we didn't want you to become rich, we wanted you to die! Why can't you take the bloody hint?"

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 8:08 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I wouldn't bet on it tbh. Everyone is racing to the extremes and we as society did too little to stop it when we potentially could have, and even if we tried to reverse course the genie's already out of the bottle. The far left is becoming more and more normalized and I'd argue the far right already has become normalized to most of us.

You're absolutely right - why isn't my side racing to any extremes? We need an extremist movement of our own to counter this madness!

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Jack Thomas Lang
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Ex-Nation

Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon May 13, 2019 8:12 pm

Duhon wrote:"No, we didn't want you to become rich, we wanted you to die! Why can't you take the bloody hint?"

On the contrary, being able to loan money was quite convenient for the aristocracy and kings of Europe. How else were they to fund their wars (aside from unpopular taxes of course).
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Duhon
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 8:14 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Duhon wrote:"No, we didn't want you to become rich, we wanted you to die! Why can't you take the bloody hint?"

On the contrary, being able to loan money was quite convenient for the aristocracy and kings of Europe. How else were they to fund their wars (aside from unpopular taxes of course).


They were convenient until they weren't, and then it's get fucked, convert, or leave.

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Joohan
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Postby Joohan » Mon May 13, 2019 8:23 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Joohan wrote:Sight me an example were material wealth did not overcome the limitations of bigotry in a society.

Roman freedmen, infames, and peregrini.

Jews in Europe.

Moriscos in Spain.

Merchants in feudal societies.

Merchants in Confucian societies.

Merchants in feudal Confucian societies.

American blacks before the Civil Rights Movement.


1. Didn't the freedmen do quite well for themselves in Roman society? Such a huge part of the Roman bureaucracy and administration that I think either Claudius or Hadrian had to enact Roman Affirmative Action just to make sure they didn't completely dominate civil service.I think The only people who could really talk down with authority to them were the more traditional aristocracy.

2. Poor got massacred, the rich would pay bribes for their protection

3. were never an affluent group to begin with

4. Merchants weren't trusted by the locals... so what? If not respected, merchants were an extremely powerful and influential class throughout the Medieval age

5. Same as their counterparts in Europe.

6. Again, astoundingly poor. Though, for those who did manage to become rich, their lot in society was quite fantastic: C. J. Walker, Jeremiah Walker had no trouble with being black after becoming millionaires.

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Joohan
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Joohan » Mon May 13, 2019 8:24 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Joohan wrote:
The poorest people in India.


Ironically a lot of enmity against Dalits in some areas has to do with them being economically successful.

Caste is divorced from economic status. There are poor brahmins and rich outcastes. That still doesn't upend the deep systematic social discrimination against them.


Where ( or when ) are rich Dalits? I've honestly only ever heard of terribly poor Dalits.

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 8:32 pm

Garibaldi did nothing wrong. Lincoln did nothing wrong. Ataturk did nothing wrong.

Death to the dogmas of reactionaries is life to the people.
Joohan wrote:1. Didn't the freedmen do quite well for themselves in Roman society?

No.
Such a huge part of the Roman bureaucracy and administration that I think either Claudius or Hadrian had to enact Roman Affirmative Action just to make sure they didn't completely dominate civil service.

Incorrect again. They were barred from certain positions because beforehand, those imperial positions were only open to freedmen, because it was seen as inappropriate for the Primus Inter Pares to give commands to his fellow citizens not under arms.
I think The only people who could really talk down with authority to them were the more traditional aristocracy.

No.
2. Poor got massacred, the rich would pay bribes for their protection

First part is correct, second isn't. Remember the massacres on King Richard I's coronation day? I am very sure that the prominent Jewish members of society bringing gifts to Richard's coronation were very poor fellows indeed.

For fuck's sake, this is such a ridiculous position to take that I have trouble attributing it solely to ignorance.
3. were never an affluent group to begin with

lol
4. Merchants weren't trusted by the locals... so what? If not respected, merchants were an extremely powerful and influential class throughout the Medieval age

"Weren't trusted by the locals"

That's a very fine way of saying "Completely at the mercy of an aristocracy which hated their guts absent the ability to beat them on the field of battle"

The only reason merchants became powerful and influential was because they created entire fucking parallel societies in the larger cities.
5. Same as their counterparts in Europe.

No, in fact, it was much worse, because China and Japan didn't develop quite the same tradition of decentralized pseudo-city-states that Europe did.
6. Again, astoundingly poor. Though, for those who did manage to become rich, their lot in society was quite fantastic: C. J. Walker, Jeremiah Walker had no trouble with being black after becoming millionaires.

Yes, I am sure that her advocacy and donation of hundreds of thousands of dollars in causes against racism was purely an abstract concern.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 13, 2019 8:32 pm

Joohan wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Ironically a lot of enmity against Dalits in some areas has to do with them being economically successful.

Caste is divorced from economic status. There are poor brahmins and rich outcastes. That still doesn't upend the deep systematic social discrimination against them.


Where ( or when ) are rich Dalits? I've honestly only ever heard of terribly poor Dalits.


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Galloism
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Galloism » Mon May 13, 2019 8:36 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I wouldn't bet on it tbh. Everyone is racing to the extremes and we as society did too little to stop it when we potentially could have, and even if we tried to reverse course the genie's already out of the bottle. The far left is becoming more and more normalized and I'd argue the far right already has become normalized to most of us.

You're absolutely right - why isn't my side racing to any extremes? We need an extremist movement of our own to counter this madness!

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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 8:39 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?


History is repeating CM. Hope you're ready for another Nazi v Commie kerfuffle.

Where do liberals lie in this conflict?
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Hanafuridake
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 13, 2019 8:41 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Garibaldi did nothing wrong. Lincoln did nothing wrong. Ataturk did nothing wrong.

Death to the dogmas of reactionaries is life to the people.


Last I checked, it was the traditions of the reactionaries which make the people what they are today, so I'd put more stock on that than this.
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