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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun May 12, 2019 7:23 am

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
If I was going for practicality I'd just grab a Chieftain. That would dunk all over shit tier Soviet gear.


I'm pretty sure the Chieftain wouldn't hold up against a T-72 famalam.


The T-72 was literally a contemporary of it.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun May 12, 2019 7:28 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
You can also find T-72s on the market for $20,000 less than WRA's stated price of $160,000 for a Tiger lmao

Why anyone would go for the inferior metal box over a modern tank is stupid tbqh.


It's also worth noting the 160,000 price is actually kinda fair given the circumstances tbh. It's not a real Tiger (as the only real running one is 131 and that's not for sale), it's an entirely rebuilt replica of a Tiger built on a T-34 chassis. It's not like it was just pulled out of a warehouse, a lot of work went into it.


And then it'd get 1-shot BTFO'd by us commies going for the cheaper market option, ending the Neu Freikorps career in its infancy. RIP>

Torrocca wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Chieftain wouldn't hold up against a T-72 famalam.


iirc the Kuwaitis used them to great effect to tear open Iraqi T-72's in 91, similar reports came out of Iran


Export T-72s are shit tbf.

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>Choosing aesthetics over the practicality of a modern tank with all its modernized equipment

smh my head this is why communism's gonna win


Outside the turret frontal armor, the King Tiger could kill the T-54 even with a frontal strike from point blank all the way out to almost 2000 meters.


... I doubt it.

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Chieftain wouldn't hold up against a T-72 famalam.


The T-72 was literally a contemporary of it.


... I was thinking of the Centurion.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun May 12, 2019 7:38 am

Torrocca wrote:... I doubt it.


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Postby Novus America » Sun May 12, 2019 7:54 am

You are all wrong, buy an M-60 Patton :p

Actually I would go with an Abrams with DU armor but they do not sell those to civs. :(

Broke. T-72
Woke M-60
Bespoke
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8)
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun May 12, 2019 8:03 am

I started rereading Schopy's The World as Will and Representation. It's a shame that Nietzsche eclipsed him in the public mind.
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Postby Novus America » Sun May 12, 2019 8:08 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Because the Germans were sinking our ships, plus the Zimmerman telegram.


Because the United States was funding and supplying the Entente war effort. Fun fact: the Lusitania had munitions on it.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_ ... eutschland
We also sold stuff to Germany. Germany should have invested more in those submarines.

Lusitania was the British being dirty.
Still it made for bad optics. But I was not talking about Lusitania, she was not an American ship.
Just because something might be legally justified does not necessarily make it a good idea.
The tiny advantage Germany gained by sinking her was outweighed by the massive diplomatic cost.

But she did not cause the US entry. It was the sinking of 5 American ships in March 1917 that caused it.

The Zimmerman telegram was just unforgivably stupid. Especially when Zimmerman admitted to sending it. And the Germans should have realized the Mexican Government was not stupid enough to go for it before sending it in the first place.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun May 12, 2019 8:10 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>Choosing aesthetics over the practicality of a modern tank with all its modernized equipment

smh my head this is why communism's gonna win


If I was going for practicality I'd just grab a Chieftain. That would dunk all over shit tier Soviet gear.

Ah yes the practicality of a utterly broken engine that was less reliable than the one in T-64's.
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Postby Painisia » Sun May 12, 2019 9:14 am

I just came across the Neo-Nazi Hindu philosopher Savitri Devi. I don't know if I am supposed to burst out in laughter or to be just horrified by this devilish travesty. She is even more crazier than Dugin and his Fourth Political Theory. And I hope the Right has excluded her.

I really hope that Extinction Rebellion and other deep ecologists does not discover her and start to adopt her ideas.

If it does happen, the future will become an even more scarier place than during WW2
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun May 12, 2019 10:43 am

Greetings, gentlemen. I have the perfect way to start the day.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun May 12, 2019 10:49 am

Novus America wrote:You are all wrong, buy an M-60 Patton :p

Actually I would go with an Abrams with DU armor but they do not sell those to civs. :(

Broke. T-72
Woke M-60
Bespoke
Chrysler TV-8
8)

The tank was intended to be a nuclear-powered medium tank capable of land and amphibious warfare.

What the fuck nuggets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_TV-8

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun May 12, 2019 10:52 am

Genivaria wrote:
Novus America wrote:You are all wrong, buy an M-60 Patton :p

Actually I would go with an Abrams with DU armor but they do not sell those to civs. :(

Broke. T-72
Woke M-60
Bespoke
Chrysler TV-8
8)

The tank was intended to be a nuclear-powered medium tank capable of land and amphibious warfare.

What the fuck nuggets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_TV-8

The Cold War was a wondrous time of weird fucking ideas.
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Postby Novus America » Sun May 12, 2019 10:56 am

Genivaria wrote:
Novus America wrote:You are all wrong, buy an M-60 Patton :p

Actually I would go with an Abrams with DU armor but they do not sell those to civs. :(

Broke. T-72
Woke M-60
Bespoke
Chrysler TV-8
8)

The tank was intended to be a nuclear-powered medium tank capable of land and amphibious warfare.

What the fuck nuggets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_TV-8


Exactly 8)
Suck that, T-72. :twisted:

Ford even proposed a nuclear powered family car: :)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun May 12, 2019 11:51 am

Today's a day to reflect on the measureless debts we owe our mothers which can never be repaid.

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Postby Hakons » Sun May 12, 2019 12:59 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:Today's a day to reflect on the measureless debts we owe our mothers which can never be repaid.



These are the wholesome posts I want in the RWDT
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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 12, 2019 3:03 pm

Painisia wrote:I just came across the Neo-Nazi Hindu philosopher Savitri Devi. I don't know if I am supposed to burst out in laughter or to be just horrified by this devilish travesty. She is even more crazier than Dugin and his Fourth Political Theory. And I hope the Right has excluded her.

I really hope that Extinction Rebellion and other deep ecologists does not discover her and start to adopt her ideas.

If it does happen, the future will become an even more scarier place than during WW2

> Neo-Nazi Hindu philosopher.
Not sure if I want to know what proverbial swamp on the internet you have to take an airboat to, to find this sort of person.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun May 12, 2019 3:28 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Painisia wrote:I just came across the Neo-Nazi Hindu philosopher Savitri Devi. I don't know if I am supposed to burst out in laughter or to be just horrified by this devilish travesty. She is even more crazier than Dugin and his Fourth Political Theory. And I hope the Right has excluded her.

I really hope that Extinction Rebellion and other deep ecologists does not discover her and start to adopt her ideas.

If it does happen, the future will become an even more scarier place than during WW2

> Neo-Nazi Hindu philosopher.
Not sure if I want to know what proverbial swamp on the internet you have to take an airboat to, to find this sort of person.


A lot of Nazis cite her as an influence, how she influenced them I don't know. Probably through her dumb belief that the caste system was racial.
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Postby Duhon » Sun May 12, 2019 3:49 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Painisia wrote:I just came across the Neo-Nazi Hindu philosopher Savitri Devi. I don't know if I am supposed to burst out in laughter or to be just horrified by this devilish travesty. She is even more crazier than Dugin and his Fourth Political Theory. And I hope the Right has excluded her.

I really hope that Extinction Rebellion and other deep ecologists does not discover her and start to adopt her ideas.

If it does happen, the future will become an even more scarier place than during WW2

> Neo-Nazi Hindu philosopher.
Not sure if I want to know what proverbial swamp on the internet you have to take an airboat to, to find this sort of person.


Quite the plausible transmogrification, considering the occult trappings a lot of the weirder Nazis (and even some of the saner ones) got themselves up to, especially during the interwar years.

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Postby Duhon » Sun May 12, 2019 3:53 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Luminesa wrote:> Neo-Nazi Hindu philosopher.
Not sure if I want to know what proverbial swamp on the internet you have to take an airboat to, to find this sort of person.


A lot of Nazis cite her as an influence, how she influenced them I don't know. Probably through her dumb belief that the caste system was racial.


She wouldn't have stood out apart from her sex had she drifted to Germany instead of to India. In everything she said and did after the war she was cookie-cutter.

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Postby Napkizemlja » Sun May 12, 2019 3:54 pm

Also today is a day to remind everyone that mothers use this day as an excuse to be complete battle axes to everyone else.
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Postby Camelone » Sun May 12, 2019 3:55 pm

Duhon wrote:
Luminesa wrote:> Neo-Nazi Hindu philosopher.
Not sure if I want to know what proverbial swamp on the internet you have to take an airboat to, to find this sort of person.


Quite the plausible transmogrification, considering the occult trappings a lot of the weirder Nazis (and even some of the saner ones) got themselves up to, especially during the interwar years.

Occultism is not just a Nazi phenomenon on the right but the fascists were inspired by it as well, Evola being the most prominent I can think of. Fascism is raising the state to a spiritual level while Nazism is raising the race to a spiritual level. While fascinating to study it is also a little disturbing.
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Postby Duhon » Sun May 12, 2019 3:55 pm

Napkizemlja wrote:Also today is a day to remind everyone that mothers use this day as an excuse to be complete battle axes to everyone else.


Battle axes?

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun May 12, 2019 4:13 pm

Napkizemlja wrote:Also today is a day to remind everyone that mothers use this day as an excuse to be complete battle axes to everyone else.

No they don't.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun May 12, 2019 4:17 pm

Novus America wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Because the United States was funding and supplying the Entente war effort. Fun fact: the Lusitania had munitions on it.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_ ... eutschland
We also sold stuff to Germany. Germany should have invested more in those submarines.

Lusitania was the British being dirty.
Still it made for bad optics. But I was not talking about Lusitania, she was not an American ship.
Just because something might be legally justified does not necessarily make it a good idea.
The tiny advantage Germany gained by sinking her was outweighed by the massive diplomatic cost.

But she did not cause the US entry. It was the sinking of 5 American ships in March 1917 that caused it.

The Zimmerman telegram was just unforgivably stupid. Especially when Zimmerman admitted to sending it. And the Germans should have realized the Mexican Government was not stupid enough to go for it before sending it in the first place.


One U-Boat in 1916 versus supplying the Entente for almost the entire conflict?
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 12, 2019 4:17 pm

Napkizemlja wrote:Also today is a day to remind everyone that mothers use this day as an excuse to be complete battle axes to everyone else.

I think that’s just your mom.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Sun May 12, 2019 4:18 pm

Kowani wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Also today is a day to remind everyone that mothers use this day as an excuse to be complete battle axes to everyone else.

I think that’s just your mom.

Nope she's a saint actually.
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