Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Novus America]

Obviously Russia will not surpass us. As you note they simply do not have the population.

But China will.
But if we had more land than China, it would help.

Depending on what chart you look at we do. We are either number 3 or 4 by land area in some lists. Either way China and the US are roughly the same size.

Though this is just more of a reason to annex Canada

Well yes, but no matter what we are about tied. If we unified with Canada and Mexico though, we would be much bigger than even Russia.

[Thermodolia]

Depending on what chart you look at we do. We are either number 3 or 4 by land area in some lists. Either way China and the US are roughly the same size.

Though this is just more of a reason to annex Canada

Well yes, but no matter what we are about tied. If we unified with Canada and Mexico though, we would be much bigger than even Russia.

I agree. Northern American Union here we come

[Nova Cyberia]

China certainly could, yes. Some day.

But as it stands now their economy is a bubble waiting to burst.

Their debt bubble bursting is not something should not rely on though. And something we should make burst faster.

I'm completely in agreement with you on that.

[Nova Cyberia]

Well yes, but no matter what we are about tied. If we unified with Canada and Mexico though, we would be much bigger than even Russia.

I agree. Northern American Union here we come

American hegemony over North America must be scured.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I agree. Northern American Union here we come

American hegemony over North America must be scured.

Exactly! We're all better together!

[Nova Cyberia]

American hegemony over North America must be scured.

Exactly! We're all better together!

If (and possibly when) China becomes a super power America must secure the Americas and prevent Chinese influence from spreading here.

[Kowani]

American hegemony over North America must be scured.

Exactly! We're all better together!

World State, let’s go!

[Valrifell]

I agree. Northern American Union here we come

American hegemony over North America must be scured.

America already enjoys global hegemony

[Nova Cyberia]

American hegemony over North America must be scured.

America already enjoys global hegemony

Not really. That would imply we have hegemony over the Russians or Chinese, which we do not.

[Valrifell]

America already enjoys global hegemony

Not really. That would imply we have hegemony over the Russians or Chinese, which we do not.

They like to think otherwise, but when it comes to brass tax they don't like looking us in the eye.

[Novus America]

Exactly! We're all better together!

World State, let’s go!

Far too ambitious.
And possibly bad, just one global state might lead to stagnation.

North America is already heavily and increasingly economically and culturally unified.
But not militarily and politically (yet).

[Hanafuridake]

Not really. That would imply we have hegemony over the Russians or Chinese, which we do not.

They like to think otherwise, but when it comes to brass tax they don't like looking us in the eye.

They feel brazen enough to interfere with American elections without fear of severe consequences, so that doesn't seem all that accurate.

[Kowani]

World State, let’s go!

Far too ambitious.

Well, obviously it’d be gradual. Expansion doesn’t just happen overnight.

And possibly bad, just one global state might lead to stagnation.

Only if you believe that improvement only comes from competition-and that the only source of competition is between states.

[Novus America]

Far too ambitious.

Well, obviously it’d be gradual. Expansion doesn’t just happen overnight.

And possibly bad, just one global state might lead to stagnation.

Only if you believe that improvement only comes from competition-and that the only source of competition is between states.

Well competition between states CAN lead to improvement.
See the space race for example.

And if we do not have an external threat to unify us unfortunately we find internal ones.
Humans do best with a bit of fear.

[Kowani]

Well, obviously it’d be gradual. Expansion doesn’t just happen overnight.

Only if you believe that improvement only comes from competition-and that the only source of competition is between states.

Well competition between states CAN lead to improvement.
See the space race for example.

Yes, it can (although the space race may not be the greatest example.) I just don’t believe it to be the only source, or even the most productive one.

And if we do not have an external threat to unify us unfortunately we find internal ones.
Humans do best with a bit of fear.

Ehh, that’s only because the circumstances in which we haven’t had an external threat have been very limited. We haven’t really had the chance to actually test your hypothesis.

[Nova Cyberia]

Not really. That would imply we have hegemony over the Russians or Chinese, which we do not.

They like to think otherwise, but when it comes to brass tax they don't like looking us in the eye.

Did you miss the last election?

[Novus America]

Well competition between states CAN lead to improvement.
See the space race for example.

Yes, it can (although the space race may not be the greatest example.) I just don’t believe it to be the only source, or even the most productive one.

And if we do not have an external threat to unify us unfortunately we find internal ones.
Humans do best with a bit of fear.

Ehh, that’s only because the circumstances in which we haven’t had an external threat have been very limited. We haven’t really had the chance to actually test your hypothesis.

Well true we have no real world government as an example.
The closest thing we have is the 90s.
But the increased partisanship post Cold War in the US certainly seems to suggest it.
The end of the Cold War did not work well. Could it have worked better?
We do not know for sure if the problems of not having a competitor could be overcome.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

They like to think otherwise, but when it comes to brass tax they don't like looking us in the eye.

They feel brazen enough to interfere with American elections without fear of severe consequences, so that doesn't seem all that accurate.

Every country tries to interfere with American elections. It's not that weird.

[Totally Not OEP]

>TFW your great-great granduncle died of the Spanish Flu for 'Murica to prevent the continued militarized dickery of the perfidious German Empire only for non-interventionists to backhandedly support Willie's March to Paris

smh my head

When your great-grandfather bled in the trenches so all these non-interventionists could spread their drivel.

Smh

I wonder how many people as a percentage have WW1 veterans in their ancestry.

Family on both sides in my case.

[Totally Not OEP]

Snow for the Snow god! Maple Syrup for the Maple Syrup throne!
Unironically, we should've stayed out of it. What concern have we for what goes on past our borders?

Because the Germans were sinking our ships, plus the Zimmerman telegram.

Because the United States was funding and supplying the Entente war effort. Fun fact: the Lusitania had munitions on it.

[Totally Not OEP]

Why with the annexing latin America schtick?

The USA is waaaay better off without that mess. Sure, they've got natural resources galore - they've also got criminal violence on par with most the most ruthless terrorist organizations, corruption at every level of government that has generations of precedent, strong nationalist and ethnic divisions, and a culture ( political, social, and economic ) quite different from our own. It would be a massive net loss for the US if we were to try integrate these nations.

Far better seize their resources through the already established means of trade.

Reminder:

The reason corruption is so pervasive is a function of the existing political structures, but also due to the fact Mexico only spends 1.4% of its GDP on law and order; the average in OCED nations is 4.7%. Italy, which had to tackle its own issues in terms of corruption and organized crime, spends 6.2% of its GDP on law enforcement. The U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) found that, per 100,000 people, Mexico had just 6.8 prosecutors and 4.2 judges in 2013. This is compared to Italy with 3.1 prosecutors and 17.1 judges, while even Scotland has 9.9 prosecutors and 4.9 judges per 100,000. Adding to this issue is the fact that between 2006 and 2015, the number of Federal police increased from 11,663 to 43,724 but real wages only rose 9%.

[Totally Not OEP]

Not all of Latin America. Just Mexico.

And the idea of Mexican annexation gets brought up because it was something that very nearly did happen following the Mexican-Americam War. Just an interesting potential for alt-history, I suppose.

I covered it in depth in this very thread, also noting that around half the Mexican population at the time supported annexation.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Freikorps are rapidly becoming one of my favorite parts of modern history and I'm now convinced that American militias need to get themselves some field artillery and tanks.

[Asherahan]

The Freikorps are rapidly becoming one of my favorite parts of modern history and I'm now convinced that American militias need to get themselves some field artillery and tanks.

Roter Frontkämpferbund Coming right up.

[Old Tyrannia]

The Freikorps are rapidly becoming one of my favorite parts of modern history and I'm now convinced that American militias need to get themselves some field artillery and tanks.

Kapp and Lüttwitz did nothing wrong.