Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Totally Not OEP]

Attacking West was absolutely the right move, as the British were going to get involved no matter even without Belgium. Further, with the Haber-Bosch Process still being industrialized, the stocks of nitrates captured in Belgium proved vital for the first year of the conflict for the Germans.

Without the French the British could not do much.
And even delaying the British entry would have been a huge benefit to them.

The nitrates helped, but avoiding fighting France would have helped even more.
Without the costs.

The nitrates were critical for allowing the mass artillery production, for a time, that the Great War required. As for the British, they were always going to come in it, such was jut a matter of time; as successive OHL leadership discerned, the war was always going to be decided in the West.

[Valrifell]

We picked the wrong side in WW1, tbh. We let ourselves get roped in by British propaganda.

Should have allied with the Germans and used the initiative to invade and annex Canada.

Snow for the Snow god! Maple Syrup for the Maple Syrup throne!
Unironically, we should've stayed out of it. What concern have we for what goes on past our borders?

The Germans were literally interfering with American shipping and killing American citizens but go off I guess.

[Valrifell]

When your great-grandfather bled in the trenches so all these non-interventionists could spread their drivel.

Smh

>TFW your great-great granduncle died of the Spanish Flu for 'Murica to prevent the continued militarized dickery of the perfidious German Empire only for non-interventionists to backhandedly support Willie's March to Paris

smh my head

If only we didn't elect that pansy Wilson. Teddy would have been the first president to die in battle, leading a cavalry charge.

[Torrocca]

Snow for the Snow god! Maple Syrup for the Maple Syrup throne!
Unironically, we should've stayed out of it. What concern have we for what goes on past our borders?

The Germans were literally interfering with American shipping and killing American citizens but go off I guess.

>TFW the German Empire was literally trying to conspire with Mexico to invade 'Murica
>"W e S h O u L d H a V e i G n O r E d T h E w A r"

[Torrocca]

>TFW your great-great granduncle died of the Spanish Flu for 'Murica to prevent the continued militarized dickery of the perfidious German Empire only for non-interventionists to backhandedly support Willie's March to Paris

smh my head

If only we didn't elect that pansy Wilson. Teddy would have been the first president to die in battle, leading a cavalry charge.

God bless that beautiful, nature-loving chad. (;~;)7

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The Germans were literally interfering with American shipping and killing American citizens but go off I guess.

>TFW the German Empire was literally trying to conspire with Mexico to invade 'Murica
>"W e S h O u L d H a V e i G n O r E d T h E w A r"

Tfw so "isolationalist" you refuse to defend your own country.

[Hanafuridake]

When your great-grandfather bled in the trenches so all these non-interventionists could spread their drivel.

Smh

Over there, over there!
Send the word, send the word, over there!
That the Yanks are coming
The Yanks are coming
The drums rum-tumming
Everywhere

So prepare, say a prayer
Send the word, send the word, to beware!
We'll be over, we're coming over
And we won't come back till it's over
Over there!

I will forever be proud that Heaven chose my ancestors to be the avenging vessel to punish the perfidious House of Hohenzollern.

[Conserative Morality]

>TFW your great-great granduncle died of the Spanish Flu for 'Murica to prevent the continued militarized dickery of the perfidious German Empire only for non-interventionists to backhandedly support Willie's March to Paris

smh my head

When your great-grandfather bled in the trenches so all these non-interventionists could spread their drivel.

Smh

I wonder how many people as a percentage have WW1 veterans in their ancestry.

[Nova Cyberia]

The Germans were literally interfering with American shipping and killing American citizens but go off I guess.

>TFW the German Empire was literally trying to conspire with Mexico to invade 'Murica
>"W e S h O u L d H a V e i G n O r E d T h E w A r"

Don't worry, we should have annexed Mexico too.

[Torrocca]

>TFW the German Empire was literally trying to conspire with Mexico to invade 'Murica
>"W e S h O u L d H a V e i G n O r E d T h E w A r"

Tfw so "isolationalist" you refuse to defend your own country.

Isolationism's especially a hilarious joke when you don't even use it as an excuse to improve the conditions of your own country coughjimcrowlawscough.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

>TFW the German Empire was literally trying to conspire with Mexico to invade 'Murica
>"W e S h O u L d H a V e i G n O r E d T h E w A r"

Don't worry, we should have annexed Mexico too.

Ah yes, self-determination for everybody except the Americas. Self-determination even if your policy enables the Russians to march nearly all the way to the Rhine.

[Novus America]

We picked the wrong side in WW1, tbh. We let ourselves get roped in by British propaganda.

Should have allied with the Germans and used the initiative to invade and annex Canada.

Snow for the Snow god! Maple Syrup for the Maple Syrup throne!
Unironically, we should've stayed out of it. What concern have we for what goes on past our borders?

Because the Germans were sinking our ships, plus the Zimmerman telegram.

[Valrifell]

>TFW the German Empire was literally trying to conspire with Mexico to invade 'Murica
>"W e S h O u L d H a V e i G n O r E d T h E w A r"

Don't worry, we should have annexed Mexico too.

At any given point in American history annexing Mexico would have meant discriminating against large chunks of their population and dealing with multiple armed uprisings because who likes being conquered by yanquis?

[Torrocca]

Don't worry, we should have annexed Mexico too.

Ah yes, self-determination for everybody except the Americas.

... *Hides Banana Republics*

[Nova Cyberia]

Don't worry, we should have annexed Mexico too.

Ah yes, self-determination for everybody except the Americas. Self-determination even if your policy enables the Russians to march nearly all the way to the Rhine.

That... isn't my policy?

You do know the Germans were fighting the Russians in WW1, right?

[Valrifell]

By the way, the first world war had the better aesthetic of the two.

[Torrocca]

Don't worry, we should have annexed Mexico too.

At any given point in American history annexing Mexico would have meant discriminating against large chunks of their population and dealing with multiple armed uprisings because who likes being conquered by yanquis?

Through the power of American Exceptionalism, any and all savage foreigners would see our superior 'Muricanly ways and instantly bend the knee - regardless of their own personal willingness or ability to do so - to the gracious glories of Columbia. *nods*

[Nova Cyberia]

Don't worry, we should have annexed Mexico too.

At any given point in American history annexing Mexico would have meant discriminating against large chunks of their population and dealing with multiple armed uprisings because who likes being conquered by yanquis?

I don't get it. Are uprisings that would never succeed supposed to be a deal breaker?

And anyway, I'd rather we extend citizenship to all formerly Mexican citizens.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

By the way, the first world war had the better aesthetic of the two.

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

[Conserative Morality]

By the way, the first world war had the better aesthetic of the two.

Bayonets + Gas Masks + Trench Coats + Brutal War Machines > some lame cavalry tanks or something wtf

[Valrifell]

At any given point in American history annexing Mexico would have meant discriminating against large chunks of their population and dealing with multiple armed uprisings because who likes being conquered by yanquis?

I don't get it. Are uprisings that would never succeed supposed to be a deal breaker?

And anyway, I'd rather we extend citizenship to all formerly Mexican citizens.

Your proposals would be unrealistic because at any given time we'd have the chance to do that, historically, the brown ones would be viewed as subhuman by large parts of the political class.

If we did that now then my god it'd be so bloody if done by conquest it would absolutely not be worth it. IRL isn't some PDX game where the only thing that matters is font size on the map.

[Conserative Morality]

By the way, the first world war had the better aesthetic of the two.

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

[Conserative Morality]

I don't get it. Are uprisings that would never succeed supposed to be a deal breaker?

And anyway, I'd rather we extend citizenship to all formerly Mexican citizens.

Your proposals would be unrealistic because at any given time we'd have the chance to do that, historically, the brown ones would be viewed as subhuman by large parts of the political class.

If we did that now then my god it'd be so bloody if done by conquest it would absolutely not be worth it. IRL isn't some PDX game where the only thing that matters is font size on the map.

1869, Super-Grant annexes all of the Americas.

[Nova Cyberia]

I don't get it. Are uprisings that would never succeed supposed to be a deal breaker?

And anyway, I'd rather we extend citizenship to all formerly Mexican citizens.

Your proposals would be unrealistic because at any given time we'd have the chance to do that, historically, the brown ones would be viewed as subhuman by large parts of the political class.

If we did that now then my god it'd be so bloody if done by conquest it would absolutely not be worth it. IRL isn't some PDX game where the only thing that matters is font size on the map.

You kind of seem to be confused about the part where this is something that I think should have happened, not something that I necessarily think would have.

Though tbh we probably would have annexed Mexico had it not been for Calhoun.

[Torrocca]

By the way, the first world war had the better aesthetic of the two.

The perpetual, existential grimdark despair of randomly dying at any moment as a helpless sitting duck in a trench spanning for hundreds of miles from a spur-of-the-moment artillery barrage, gas attack, or disease certainly beats out the tried-and-true good versus evil plotline we've seen so many times.