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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 07, 2019 10:51 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Yeah, but your religion didn't start it.

So fight me

Paganism isn't a Religion.

It's a broad category of religion yes.
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 07, 2019 10:51 am

Transjlwanja wrote:
Kowani wrote:Step 1. Can it hurt me? Yes/no.
Step 2. Can it be logically used to justify harming me? Yes/no.
Step 3. Can it harm my support networks? Yes/no.
Step 4. Does it tangibly improve the material circumstances of the lives of the citizenry? Yes/no.


Why should I care about "the material circumstances of the lives of the citizenry" if your worldview is true?

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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:51 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
The need to trace ancestry.

Please, in the future, come up with a less easily debunked, less tawdry argument.

It hasn't been debunked.


But it has been. I gave you an answer to your question that didn't involve religion.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 10:52 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Full-Time Summer poster and acolyte of Washington Resistance Armyism

Paganism isn't a proper Religion, though.

>> when you encounter a proper No True Scotsman argument

Ach!
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:52 am

Genivaria wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Paganism isn't a Religion.

It's a broad category of religion yes.

Yeah, but its not an Organized Religion...no hierarchy, no Holy Book; its just a hedonistic, free-for-all, sh*tshow.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 07, 2019 10:53 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
As one of those people, I absolutely do not want my family choosing potential partners for me.



Prove it.

Where does the concept of Marriage come from? The idea of one man, one woman. Where is that idea derived from, if not from religion?

This is the very definition of an Argument from Ignorance.
General Sherman did nothing wrong, fact.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 10:53 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
The need to trace ancestry.

Please, in the future, come up with a less easily debunked, less tawdry argument.

It hasn't been debunked.

Okay. Of the four forms of Roman marriage practiced, only one was religious, and it was the least common form.

Try again pls.
Nea Byzantia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:It's a broad category of religion yes.

Yeah, but its not an Organized Religion...no hierarchy, no Holy Book; its just a hedonistic, free-for-all, sh*tshow.

Sweet Jesus, is this a joke?
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 07, 2019 10:54 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:It's a broad category of religion yes.

Yeah, but its not an Organized Religion...no hierarchy, no Holy Book; its just a hedonistic, free-for-all, sh*tshow.

You should probably do at least a modicum of research about something before you post about it.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:55 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:It's a broad category of religion yes.

Yeah, but its not an Organized Religion...no hierarchy, no Holy Book; its just a hedonistic, free-for-all, sh*tshow.

The Greeks are the Free-For-All shitshow? Buddy, do I need to remind you of the 30 years war?
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:55 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Paganism isn't a proper Religion, though.

>> when you encounter a proper No True Scotsman argument

Ach!

>>>when you're surrounded on all sides by rabid Liberals...

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Postby Novus America » Tue May 07, 2019 10:56 am

Grenartia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Admittedly that is a problem, that should be watched out for and we can take steps to address.
But having the family help find partners for those we are unable to do one their own and want the help is not a bad thing.

Obviously such a system should not be forced on anyone who does not want it.
But why prevent someone who wants the system from utilizing it?
It could help a lot of people, especially those not so socially outgoing.


As one of those people, I absolutely do not want my family choosing potential partners for me.

Nea Byzantia wrote:Yes they can. Marriage is a religious concept. Fight me.


Prove it.


Fair enough. Which is why it should be available as an option but not required,
You do not want it. But apparently many people here do.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 07, 2019 10:56 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Yeah, but your religion didn't start it.

So fight me

Paganism isn't a Religion.


Yeah, it's a category of religions. Some of which do maintain hierarchies within their own religious organizations.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue May 07, 2019 10:56 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:It hasn't been debunked.

Okay. Of the four forms of Roman marriage practiced, only one was religious, and it was the least common form.

Is it surprising that the religious form of Roman marriage, the one that was indistinguishable from condemning a woman to slavery under the headship of her husband, was the least popular one? Some are apparently surprised.

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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:56 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Yeah, but its not an Organized Religion...no hierarchy, no Holy Book; its just a hedonistic, free-for-all, sh*tshow.

The Greeks are the Free-For-All shitshow? Buddy, do I need to remind you of the 30 years war?

I'm not Catholic or Protestant...I could care less about what sh*t they did.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue May 07, 2019 10:57 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:The Greeks are the Free-For-All shitshow? Buddy, do I need to remind you of the 30 years war?

I'm not Catholic or Protestant...I could care less about what sh*t they did.

Yet you repeat with zeal their agitation propaganda.

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 10:57 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> when you encounter a proper No True Scotsman argument

Ach!

>>>when you're surrounded on all sides by rabid Liberals...

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>> implying Caesar wasn't a liberal
>> implying he wasn't a pro-immigrant imperialist who championed the lower classes against the excesses of the aristocracy and archaic traditions
>> implying though he conquered Gaul, Nicomedes didn't conquer Caesar
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:58 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:The Greeks are the Free-For-All shitshow? Buddy, do I need to remind you of the 30 years war?

I'm not Catholic or Protestant...I could care less about what sh*t they did.

Yeah, you were too busy being Cucked by Ottomans or being Russia (Which did get involved in the 30 years war, for the record)
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 10:59 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Is it surprising that the religious form of Roman marriage, the one that was indistinguishable from condemning a woman to slavery under the headship of her husband, was the least popular one? Some are apparently surprised.

tbqf there was another form of marriage that was even more explicit about trading women like property and that was secular, though also very unpopular by the Late Republic.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 11:00 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:I'm not Catholic or Protestant...I could care less about what sh*t they did.

Yet you repeat with zeal their agitation propaganda.

I mean...I'm technically Catholic...I'm just not a Papist...I'm a True Catholic


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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue May 07, 2019 11:02 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Yet you repeat with zeal their agitation propaganda.

I mean...I'm technically Catholic...I'm just not a Papist...I'm a True Catholic

Is Orthodox Agitation Propaganda against the Ancient Romano-Hellenistic religions any different from Catholic/Protestant Agitation Propaganda? I think you will find that they were one and the same for 600+ years.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 11:05 am

Can we go back to the fact that the foundation for monogamy is in secular Roman law, not Christian or Judaic law?
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 11:05 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:I mean...I'm technically Catholic...I'm just not a Papist...I'm a True Catholic

Is Orthodox Agitation Propaganda against the Ancient Romano-Hellenistic religions any different from Catholic/Protestant Agitation Propaganda? I think you will find that they were one and the same for 600+ years.

Protestants didn't even come into existence until 500 or so years after the Papists split the Church; and as for the Roman Catholics; they changed a lot over those 500 years. Rome, in the first 1,000 years of Christianity was Orthodox; not the other way around - Orthodoxy was not Catholic or Protestant. Never was; never will be.

Anyways, sh*tposting aside; I'm genuinely curious; which gods do you worship?

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 11:06 am

Conserative Morality wrote:Can we go back to the fact that the foundation for monogamy is in secular Roman law, not Christian or Judaic law?

No. Because that's backwards. Why would secular law enforce monogamy without some sort of religious origin?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue May 07, 2019 11:07 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:Protestants didn't even come into existence until 500 or so years after the Papists split the Church; and as for the Roman Catholics; they changed a lot over those 500 years. Rome, in the first 1,000 years of Christianity was Orthodox; not the other way around - Orthodoxy was not Catholic or Protestant. Never was; never will be.

Anyways, sh*tposting aside; I'm genuinely curious; which gods do you worship?
None.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 11:07 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Can we go back to the fact that the foundation for monogamy is in secular Roman law, not Christian or Judaic law?

No. Because that's backwards. Why would secular law enforce monogamy without some sort of religious backing?

Because:

1. Religions untouched by Roman law are not actually very keen on monogamy

2. Monogamy is a form of social 'leveling', which was very important to the Res Publica
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