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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Tue May 07, 2019 10:06 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Even controlled for the reduction in marriages, divorce rates are dropping.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomb ... to-plummet

True the drop in number of marriages should be addressed but the absurdly high rates amongst boomers was generational as well. Boomers overall (not all but overall) can be fairly pointed out to be the generation that caused the problems we face today.

What Generation are you, btw?


(Shudders) Unfortunately a millennial. Yes obviously a generation with its own problems.
Though I am not your stereotypical hipster who thinks socialism is good because Denmark is socialist (when Denmark is obviously not socialist).
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue May 07, 2019 10:09 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
That's not backed up by studies and the Christian angle ignores that the idea marriages are based on one of "Love" is a modernist invention.

Is love a modernist invention?
Is marriage a modernist invention?
Were marriage and love completely separate concepts before modernism?

As I understand it the answer to all three of these questions is a resounding "no." Even if marriage for love was a modernist invention, that would just make it a pretty damn good modernist invention.


The issue here is distinguishing between love as a form of familial attachment, and love of the "romantic" or erotic variety. I would argue that marriage only requires the former, and not the latter.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:10 am

Novus America wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:What Generation are you, btw?


(Shudders) Unfortunately a millennial. Yes obviously a generation with its own problems.
Though I am not your stereotypical hipster who thinks social is good because Denmark is socialist (when it is obviously not).

Cool. I'm Gen Z.

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Postby Transjlwanja » Tue May 07, 2019 10:10 am

Kowani wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Go on then. I'm curious to how pragmatism is used to decide whether something should be permitted or not.

Step 1. Can it hurt me? Yes/no.
Step 2. Can it be logically used to justify harming me? Yes/no.
Step 3. Can it harm my support networks? Yes/no.
Step 4. Does it tangibly improve the material circumstances of the lives of the citizenry? Yes/no.


Why should I care about "the material circumstances of the lives of the citizenry" if your worldview is true?

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Kowani wrote:I like hyperbolic terms. But. Because globalization is a thing, I have to care about the livelihoods of non Spanish citizens. If Germany has trouble, I’m screwed. However, some random guy in Papua New Guinea? Completely irrelevant.

So the repression of gays in Egypt and Brunei doesn't matter and doesn't need to be stopped?


As a social conservative & (somewhat of) a cultural relativist, I unironically agree w/ this statement.
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Pro: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Galatians 5:19-23
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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue May 07, 2019 10:13 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:So I was thinking that sexual relations should be solely for reproduction, not for pleasure, and that marriages should be arranged according to the best interests of the family and the state without regard to romance and sexual attraction. Who here agrees with this idea?

This is literally the state mandating sinful relationships.

You've absorbed unscriptural Catholic teachings about marriage and combined them with a brazen totalitarianism to produce something more resembling IngSoc than anything authentically Christian.


Well, I figure it is either that or permitting same-sex marriage. Which would you prefer?
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Postby Novus America » Tue May 07, 2019 10:20 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:So I was thinking that sexual relations should be solely for reproduction, not for pleasure, and that marriages should be arranged according to the best interests of the family and the state without regard to romance and sexual attraction. Who here agrees with this idea?

This is literally the state mandating sinful relationships.

You've absorbed unscriptural Catholic teachings about marriage and combined them with a brazen totalitarianism to produce something more resembling IngSoc than anything authentically Christian.


The Catholic Church does NOT teach marriages are solely for reproduction.
Although it teaches they are an important part, it teaches marriages have multiple other aspects.

In fact a Catholic marriage requires
“(1) the spouses are free to marry; (2) they freely exchange their consent; (3) in consenting to marry, they have the intention to marry for life, to be faithful to one another and be open to children; and (4) their consent is given in the canonical form, i.e., in the presence of two witnesses and before a properly authorized church minister.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriag ... lic_Church

Ergo a forced marriage can never be a legitimate Catholic marriage.
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Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue May 07, 2019 10:26 am

Fahran wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What do you think marriage should be based upon in order to make divorce rates lower?

I honestly don't have too many objections to relationships and marriage being predicated on mutual attraction and common interests, but I do believe that we should move away from the more puerile aspects of modern dating. "Yeah, he's irresponsible and likes to sleep around, but he's sooo cute and funny." The first two should be automatic deal-breakers for any and all women. "Yeah, she plays mind-games and has cheated on me twice, but she's like sooo hot." Deal-breakers. See a pattern? Really, I think we should adjust our expectations from the ones presented in romantic flicks (Yes, it bums me out that I'm not going to marry Ryan Gosling) and raise some of our more practical standards. I hear a lot of my friends complain that there aren't any decent guys/girls, but I probably rub shoulders with a hundred or more each day. Sure, they may not be the skinniest girls or the tallest guys, but they'd make good partners and you aren't even giving them a chance.

Technology and our culture of whimsy haven't really fortified our prospects with regard to dating and marriage. I've been out with a few guys who would text friends and, presumably, other girls while on a date. The next time they asked me out, I ghosted them. I probably should have told them why I wasn't interested, but I didn't feel like dealing with the feigned indignation and insults that might have followed a frank conversation. And, in a long-term relationship, you need to be willing to fix things. That doesn't mean taking back a cheater or abuser, but you stick with someone through the financial ups and downs or when they put on a few pounds or when wrinkles begin to form on their face. You take your promises and vows seriously. You behave honorably and lovingly. You realize that loving someone isn't just a feeling. It's work. And sometimes it's hard. Love is kissing your husband good morning when you want to throttle him for snoring half the night. Love is offering to take out the trash after a long day at work because your wife is already busy chopping vegetables. Love is taking shifts with a bawling baby. It's not a teen drama or a rom com.


All very good points. Along the same lines, I was wondering if it would be best for someone who is gay or lesbian just to marry a person of the opposite sex who was nice and shared common interests so that they could have children and continue the family line, as opposed to marrying someone of the same sex because it would feel good. Any thoughts on this?
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Postby Painisia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:28 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
(Shudders) Unfortunately a millennial. Yes obviously a generation with its own problems.
Though I am not your stereotypical hipster who thinks social is good because Denmark is socialist (when it is obviously not).

Cool. I'm Gen Z.


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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:32 am

Novus America wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Opting out isn't good enough. There's still massive potential to be coerced into an undesired marriage.

I.E., "marry this person who raped you in high school and have kids with them, because their parents and us have a great business deal riding on it, or you're getting cut out of the will".


That last part absolutely still can happen under the current system.
I am sure the last part still happens.
Obviously steps should be taken to allow be people to easily and safely file reports of domestic violence and abuse.

But eliminating financial pressure from marriage is impossible.


Sure, but encouraging arranged marriages is only going to make that pressure harder.

Bienenhalde wrote:
Fahran wrote:I honestly don't have too many objections to relationships and marriage being predicated on mutual attraction and common interests, but I do believe that we should move away from the more puerile aspects of modern dating. "Yeah, he's irresponsible and likes to sleep around, but he's sooo cute and funny." The first two should be automatic deal-breakers for any and all women. "Yeah, she plays mind-games and has cheated on me twice, but she's like sooo hot." Deal-breakers. See a pattern? Really, I think we should adjust our expectations from the ones presented in romantic flicks (Yes, it bums me out that I'm not going to marry Ryan Gosling) and raise some of our more practical standards. I hear a lot of my friends complain that there aren't any decent guys/girls, but I probably rub shoulders with a hundred or more each day. Sure, they may not be the skinniest girls or the tallest guys, but they'd make good partners and you aren't even giving them a chance.

Technology and our culture of whimsy haven't really fortified our prospects with regard to dating and marriage. I've been out with a few guys who would text friends and, presumably, other girls while on a date. The next time they asked me out, I ghosted them. I probably should have told them why I wasn't interested, but I didn't feel like dealing with the feigned indignation and insults that might have followed a frank conversation. And, in a long-term relationship, you need to be willing to fix things. That doesn't mean taking back a cheater or abuser, but you stick with someone through the financial ups and downs or when they put on a few pounds or when wrinkles begin to form on their face. You take your promises and vows seriously. You behave honorably and lovingly. You realize that loving someone isn't just a feeling. It's work. And sometimes it's hard. Love is kissing your husband good morning when you want to throttle him for snoring half the night. Love is offering to take out the trash after a long day at work because your wife is already busy chopping vegetables. Love is taking shifts with a bawling baby. It's not a teen drama or a rom com.


All very good points. Along the same lines, I was wondering if it would be best for someone who is gay or lesbian just to marry a person of the opposite sex who was nice and shared common interests so that they could have children and continue the family line, as opposed to marrying someone of the same sex because it would feel good. Any thoughts on this?


No, its not. Its best to marry someone you actually love.

It also honestly seems like you want to be repressed by society, and either don't know or don't care how many other LGBT+ people get hurt in the process. Like, there are better, healthier, more productive ways to deal with whatever is causing you to want to be repressed than this.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:33 am

Painisia wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Cool. I'm Gen Z.


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I mean you're not wrong...

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Postby Novus America » Tue May 07, 2019 10:34 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:This is literally the state mandating sinful relationships.

You've absorbed unscriptural Catholic teachings about marriage and combined them with a brazen totalitarianism to produce something more resembling IngSoc than anything authentically Christian.


Well, I figure it is either that or permitting same-sex marriage. Which would you prefer?


We have had gay marriage several years now in the US, and nothing bad has come of it.
I would prefer the government only use the term civil union, but honestly it really has not been that big a deal, if anything it helps make them less likely to engage in the stereotypical (obviously not always true) image of gay promiscuity.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:36 am

Novus America wrote:I would prefer the government only use the term civil union


Honest question: Why?

No religious group (or even religion as a whole) can honestly claim a monopoly on the term 'marriage'.
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Postby Novus America » Tue May 07, 2019 10:38 am

Grenartia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
That last part absolutely still can happen under the current system.
I am sure the last part still happens.
Obviously steps should be taken to allow be people to easily and safely file reports of domestic violence and abuse.

But eliminating financial pressure from marriage is impossible.


Sure, but encouraging arranged marriages is only going to make that pressure harder.

Bienenhalde wrote:
All very good points. Along the same lines, I was wondering if it would be best for someone who is gay or lesbian just to marry a person of the opposite sex who was nice and shared common interests so that they could have children and continue the family line, as opposed to marrying someone of the same sex because it would feel good. Any thoughts on this?


No, its not. Its best to marry someone you actually love.

It also honestly seems like you want to be repressed by society, and either don't know or don't care how many other LGBT+ people get hurt in the process. Like, there are better, healthier, more productive ways to deal with whatever is causing you to want to be repressed than this.


Admittedly that is a problem, that should be watched out for and we can take steps to address.
But having the family help find partners for those we are unable to do one their own and want the help is not a bad thing.

Obviously such a system should not be forced on anyone who does not want it.
But why prevent someone who wants the system from utilizing it?
It could help a lot of people, especially those not so socially outgoing.
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Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:39 am

Grenartia wrote:
Novus America wrote:I would prefer the government only use the term civil union
No religious group (or even religion as a whole) can honestly claim a monopoly on the term 'marriage'.

Yes they can. Marriage is a religious concept. Fight me.

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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:44 am

Novus America wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Sure, but encouraging arranged marriages is only going to make that pressure harder.



No, its not. Its best to marry someone you actually love.

It also honestly seems like you want to be repressed by society, and either don't know or don't care how many other LGBT+ people get hurt in the process. Like, there are better, healthier, more productive ways to deal with whatever is causing you to want to be repressed than this.


Admittedly that is a problem, that should be watched out for and we can take steps to address.
But having the family help find partners for those we are unable to do one their own and want the help is not a bad thing.

Obviously such a system should not be forced on anyone who does not want it.
But why prevent someone who wants the system from utilizing it?
It could help a lot of people, especially those not so socially outgoing.


As one of those people, I absolutely do not want my family choosing potential partners for me.

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:No religious group (or even religion as a whole) can honestly claim a monopoly on the term 'marriage'.

Yes they can. Marriage is a religious concept. Fight me.


Prove it.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:45 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:No religious group (or even religion as a whole) can honestly claim a monopoly on the term 'marriage'.

Yes they can. Marriage is a religious concept. Fight me.

Yeah, but your religion didn't start it.

So fight me

tbh, Christianity only became institutionalized by religion when the False Catholic Church got involved
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:46 am

Grenartia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Admittedly that is a problem, that should be watched out for and we can take steps to address.
But having the family help find partners for those we are unable to do one their own and want the help is not a bad thing.

Obviously such a system should not be forced on anyone who does not want it.
But why prevent someone who wants the system from utilizing it?
It could help a lot of people, especially those not so socially outgoing.


As one of those people, I absolutely do not want my family choosing potential partners for me.

Nea Byzantia wrote:Yes they can. Marriage is a religious concept. Fight me.


Prove it.

Where does the concept of Marriage come from? The idea of one man, one woman. Where is that idea derived from, if not from religion?

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:46 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Yes they can. Marriage is a religious concept. Fight me.

Yeah, but your religion didn't start it.

So fight me

Paganism isn't a Religion.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 10:48 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:No religious group (or even religion as a whole) can honestly claim a monopoly on the term 'marriage'.

Yes they can. Marriage is a religious concept. Fight me.

>> Greater than 500 AUC
>> still practicing Confarraetio marriage

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Nea Byzantia wrote:Where does the concept of Marriage come from? The idea of one man, one woman. Where is that idea derived from, if not from religion?

Roman law.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:49 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Yeah, but your religion didn't start it.

So fight me

Who is this man?

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Postby Novus America » Tue May 07, 2019 10:49 am

Grenartia wrote:
Novus America wrote:I would prefer the government only use the term civil union


Honest question: Why?

No religious group (or even religion as a whole) can honestly claim a monopoly on the term 'marriage'.


To stop (well remove from government) the silly arguments over it.
I prefer it uses the term civil union for ALL cases, including men marrying women.

Yeah sure we can have semantic debates all day about what is the real meaning of marriage, whether or not is started as primarily secular or religious (of course it started long before the freedom of religion and separation of church and state) yada yada.

Because that debate cannot be resolved and is mere semantics, that debate should be separated from the government. Both religious and non religious private groups could call it marriage too.
One could get a humanist society or Wiccan coven or whatever to call it marriage too.
Whatever floats your boat.
I do not care.

Really just to stop the government from having to deal with it.
But the government calling it marriage does not bother me that much really.
On my list of political priorities what to call it is about as far down as you can go.

Like I said I have seen no ill effects from the legalization of gay marriage.
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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:50 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
As one of those people, I absolutely do not want my family choosing potential partners for me.



Prove it.

Where does the concept of Marriage come from? The idea of one man, one woman. Where is that idea derived from, if not from religion?


The desire to trace one's and others' ancestry.

Please, in the future, come up with a less easily debunked, less tawdry argument.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:50 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Who is this man?

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Paganism isn't a proper Religion, though.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue May 07, 2019 10:51 am

Grenartia wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Where does the concept of Marriage come from? The idea of one man, one woman. Where is that idea derived from, if not from religion?


The need to trace ancestry.

Please, in the future, come up with a less easily debunked, less tawdry argument.

It hasn't been debunked.

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