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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Dumb Ideologies
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Founded: Sep 30, 2007
Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon May 06, 2019 5:36 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
>populists seize on the issue of soaring inequality
>poor demonstrate violently on the streets
>military supports poor as they have little in common with business owners
>regime is swept away, transitions to something a lot more socialist than what you had in the first place
>shocked businessman face

That can be solved by forming loyal militias, decentralized military, hiring corporations, and shooting violent protesters if They harm someone. Also if you have private armies, business interests are protected.


Why (other than edgelordism) would anyone advocate deliberately establishing a dystopian state that views 95% of its population as enemies and tries to stomp them into the ground as hard as possible to secure the interests of the top 5%? What's the point?
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Evil Dictators Happyland
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 06, 2019 5:37 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:That can be solved by forming loyal militias, decentralized military, hiring corporations, and shooting violent protesters if They harm someone. Also if you have private armies, business interests are protected.


Why (other than edgelordism) would anyone advocate deliberately establishing a dystopian state that views 95% of its population as enemies and tries to stomp them into the ground as hard as possible to secure the interests of the top 5%? What's the point?

Usually? They think they'll be in the top 5%.

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Dumb Ideologies
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon May 06, 2019 5:39 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I don't support any economic regulation and the tax rate should be a 5 flat or a due amount everyone has to pay equally. Fuck all corporate and sales taxes. The money should be 3/4 on military if not more. No welfare of public help for the weak. Fuck all labor laws and safety regulations that barely matter, the economy is more important than welfare for weaklings.

I'm starting to think you might not like the poor.


Have you tried "kill all the poor"?
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Grenartia
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Mon May 06, 2019 5:42 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I don't support any economic regulation and the tax rate should be a 5 flat or a due amount everyone has to pay equally. Fuck all corporate and sales taxes. The money should be 3/4 on military if not more. No welfare of public help for the weak. Fuck all labor laws and safety regulations that barely matter, the economy is more important than welfare for weaklings.

I'm starting to think you might not like the poor.


>starting

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:That can be solved by forming loyal militias, decentralized military, hiring corporations, and shooting violent protesters if They harm someone. Also if you have private armies, business interests are protected.

And what do you do when these private militaries figure out that shooting people and taking their stuff is a lot more profitable than upholding the law and serving the common good?


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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 06, 2019 5:48 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:That can be solved by forming loyal militias, decentralized military, hiring corporations, and shooting violent protesters if They harm someone. Also if you have private armies, business interests are protected.


Why (other than edgelordism) would anyone advocate deliberately establishing a dystopian state that views 95% of its population as enemies and tries to stomp them into the ground as hard as possible to secure the interests of the top 5%? What's the point?

"Won't be 5% if you kill the remaining 95%."
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New yugoslavaia
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Ex-Nation

Postby New yugoslavaia » Mon May 06, 2019 5:51 am

I mean, that guy did is a self-described neo reactionary and ultranationalist.
Wonder what he thinks of Islam?

Psst. Should I tell him about cultural bolshivsm?
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 06, 2019 5:52 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I'm starting to think you might not like the poor.


Have you tried "kill all the poor"?

Have you tried kill all the rich?
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Evil Dictators Happyland
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 06, 2019 5:57 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Have you tried kill all the rich?

Have you tried KILL ALL THE EVERYONE?

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New yugoslavaia
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Ex-Nation

Postby New yugoslavaia » Mon May 06, 2019 6:00 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Have you tried kill all the rich?

Have you tried KILL ALL THE EVERYONE?


Now that's true equality
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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Evil Dictators Happyland
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 06, 2019 6:04 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Have you tried KILL ALL THE EVERYONE?


Now that's true equality

The only thing Thanos did wrong was stopping at half the universe

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Sukhistan
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Founded: Apr 17, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Sukhistan » Mon May 06, 2019 6:09 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Now that's true equality

The only thing Thanos did wrong was stopping at half the universe


Nah bruh he should have just turned everyone to babies so he could rebuild the universe the way he wanted with brainwashed people

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Valrifell
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Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Valrifell » Mon May 06, 2019 6:10 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Now that's true equality

The only thing Thanos did wrong was stopping at half the universe


I have some good news.
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Evil Dictators Happyland
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 06, 2019 6:11 am

Valrifell wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:The only thing Thanos did wrong was stopping at half the universe


I have some good news.

What is it

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The Grims
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Grims » Mon May 06, 2019 6:15 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Now that's true equality

The only thing Thanos did wrong was stopping at half the universe


The only thing he did wrong was not admitting he did it all to seduce a lady

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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Mon May 06, 2019 6:40 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
This just sounds exactly like accelerationism into Socialism tbqh.

The commies will be in jail or starved. I don't think I need to worry about anything but fascist socialism.


That doesn't matter; your ideas here quite literally would propel any country into an open armed revolution.
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Grenartia
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Mon May 06, 2019 6:42 am

Torrocca wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:The commies will be in jail or starved. I don't think I need to worry about anything but fascist socialism.


That doesn't matter; your ideas here quite literally would propel any country into an open armed revolution.


Can it really be considered "starvation" if you're only going without food for barely 12 hours?

Is 2 hours behind bars even "jail"?
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Evil Dictators Happyland
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 06, 2019 6:47 am

Grenartia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That doesn't matter; your ideas here quite literally would propel any country into an open armed revolution.


Can it really be considered "starvation" if you're only going without food for barely 12 hours?

Is 2 hours behind bars even "jail"?

No and yes, respectively.

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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Mon May 06, 2019 6:51 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Have you tried kill all the rich?


Uh oh, looks like your comrade's showing again, comrade. :3
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 06, 2019 7:52 am

Torrocca wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Have you tried kill all the rich?


Uh oh, looks like your comrade's showing again, comrade. :3

I'll punch your comrade in a minute...
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Mon May 06, 2019 9:41 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I have some good news.

What is it


No sorry I can't say, otherwise it'd be a spoiler.
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Napkizemlja
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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon May 06, 2019 9:45 am

Imagine thinking you're a reactionary because you're a crypto-Hoppean classical liberal with eugenicist tendencies lmao.
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon May 06, 2019 10:12 am

Napkizemlja wrote:Imagine thinking you're a reactionary because you're a crypto-Hoppean classical liberal with eugenicist tendencies lmao.

I'm a Byzantinophile, Russophile Monarchist, and an Eastern Orthodox Christian. Does it get any more reactionary than that?

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Postby Napkizemlja » Mon May 06, 2019 10:23 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Imagine thinking you're a reactionary because you're a crypto-Hoppean classical liberal with eugenicist tendencies lmao.

I'm a Byzantinophile, Russophile Monarchist, and an Eastern Orthodox Christian. Does it get any more reactionary than that?

Ashurism revivalist and Neo-Assyrian revanchism?
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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 06, 2019 10:25 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:I'm a Byzantinophile, Russophile Monarchist, and an Eastern Orthodox Christian. Does it get any more reactionary than that?

Ashurism revivalist and Neo-Assyrian revanchism?

The only way to truly be reactionary is to be a world state.
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon May 06, 2019 10:26 am

Napkizemlja wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:I'm a Byzantinophile, Russophile Monarchist, and an Eastern Orthodox Christian. Does it get any more reactionary than that?

Ashurism revivalist and Neo-Assyrian revanchism?

Lol...By that standard, are Globalists the most reactionary, since they can be said to take inspiration from the Tower of Babel?

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