Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Bienenhalde]

Imprison all the lefties too.

Thats well and good but between the south and lefties most of america will be in jail.

There are plenty of southerners who do not support the KKK and plenty of northerners who are not leftist. Or are you deliberately trying to offend everyone with your rubbish regional stereotypes?

[Hanafuridake]

I'd like to take a moment to remind everybody that Philip The Arab was a well-respected Emperor whose downfall was due to poor circumstances, that Julia Domna was the most revered Empress, MOTHER OF THE ARMY CAMPS, MOTHER OF THE FATHERLAND; and that her relatives and descendants were not discriminated against for being of Syrian descent. Roman ideas on the near east were fueled by the standard of divine kingship championed by the Egyptians, Seleucids, and Parthians.

I'm not suggesting that Romans adhered to 19th century racialist notions of a biological threat, but that many of the themes of the Yellow Peril have similarities to Roman beliefs about an imminent Eastern threat to their culture and civilization. This can't fully be squared to politics alone because of Roman fears about emasculation and the alleged effeminacy of the Orient.

[Conserative Morality]

I'm not suggesting that Romans adhered to 19th century racialist notions of a biological threat, but that many of the themes of the Yellow Peril have similarities to Roman beliefs about an imminent Eastern threat to their culture and civilization. This can't fully be squared to politics alone because of Roman fears about emasculation and the alleged effeminacy of the Orient.

Political fears fuel cultural ones. To Romans, effeminacy and emasculation was weakness, submissiveness, frivolity, and so on; aspects they regarded as essential qualities of people who submitted themselves to despotic regimes.

[Bienenhalde]

I'd like to take a moment to remind everybody that Philip The Arab was a well-respected Emperor whose downfall was due to poor circumstances, that Julia Domna was the most revered Empress, MOTHER OF THE ARMY CAMPS, MOTHER OF THE FATHERLAND; and that her relatives and descendants were not discriminated against for being of Syrian descent. Roman ideas on the near east were fueled by the standard of divine kingship championed by the Egyptians, Seleucids, and Parthians.

I'm not suggesting that Romans adhered to 19th century racialist notions of a biological threat, but that many of the themes of the Yellow Peril have similarities to Roman beliefs about an imminent Eastern threat to their culture and civilization. This can't fully be squared to politics alone because of Roman fears about emasculation and the alleged effeminacy of the Orient.

So are you saying that European commentators based their ideas about the far east on ancient Greco-Roman descriptions of Egypt and Persia?

[Communist Zombie Horde]

Thats well and good but between the south and lefties most of america will be in jail.

There are plenty of southerners who do not support the KKK and plenty of northerners who are not leftist. Or are you deliberately trying to offend everyone with your rubbish regional stereotypes?

No- I was talking about 1800s south where many white southerners sympathized with the KKK. I didn’t say the yanks were all leftists in 2018- just many are violently anti-south. If you went on a witch hunt for this two groups at their time periods, most Americans would be gone.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

>fought defensively
>attacked Fort Sumter

Are you implying the KKK are patriots?

No- thats wrong. The civil war was not about blacks or slavery for the most part. It was all political and economic difference. The north wanted to make their money by factories and their industry while the south wanted to make their money by agriculture. The north wanted taxes and workers who would benefit their economy while the south wanted state autonomy to benefit their economy. Big government helped Yankees, small government helped Southerners. The south wanted to leave because of the north’s authoritarianism- but the north didn’t want that. With more resources, the North was bound to win. A quick attack was the only way to make sure the north didn’t have momentum. A war was bound to break out anyway. Lincoln laughed at it and didn’t take it seriously. Then he attacked. The whole war was fought defensively for the south. There was no threat for most the north of houses being burnt and property stolen and people murdered and brutally put down by occupation. The confederates were desperate and they had some good men. When I talk about these men, I mean the men who opposed slavery on a moral basis but were patriots- and knew the north shouldn’t shove around the south and take states rights. The south would have eventually abolished slavery and ended racism- but they didn’t want to after the north made them angry. Moral of the story is big government is always bad.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

Who would be left? There's nobody left to rise after that.

Us good Americans who aren't lefties, KKK members, southerners, rich or politicians of course!

I’m a Alabaman- I’m not rich or anything else. Spend my money on guns not politics or luxury.

[Genivaria]

I don’t think the lefties will be ok with that. Remember- terrorist organizations are fine if they say they are anti-racist.

Imprison all the lefties too.

WASH WHY!?

[Genivaria]

>fought defensively
>attacked Fort Sumter

Are you implying the KKK are patriots?

No- thats wrong. The civil war was not about blacks or slavery for the most part. It was all political and economic difference. The north wanted to make their money by factories and their industry while the south wanted to make their money by agriculture. The north wanted taxes and workers who would benefit their economy while the south wanted state autonomy to benefit their economy. Big government helped Yankees, small government helped Southerners. The south wanted to leave because of the north’s authoritarianism- but the north didn’t want that. With more resources, the North was bound to win. A quick attack was the only way to make sure the north didn’t have momentum. A war was bound to break out anyway. Lincoln laughed at it and didn’t take it seriously. Then he attacked. The whole war was fought defensively for the south. There was no threat for most the north of houses being burnt and property stolen and people murdered and brutally put down by occupation. The confederates were desperate and they had some good men. When I talk about these men, I mean the men who opposed slavery on a moral basis but were patriots- and knew the north shouldn’t shove around the south and take states rights. The south would have eventually abolished slavery and ended racism- but they didn’t want to after the north made them angry. Moral of the story is big government is always bad.

This is some mediocre fake history here.

[Conserative Morality]

S-some of my best friends are oriental despots, I-I'm not racist, s-see?

[Conserative Morality]

No- thats wrong. The civil war was not about blacks or slavery for the most part. It was all political and economic difference. The north wanted to make their money by factories and their industry while the south wanted to make their money by agriculture. The north wanted taxes and workers who would benefit their economy while the south wanted state autonomy to benefit their economy. Big government helped Yankees, small government helped Southerners. The south wanted to leave because of the north’s authoritarianism- but the north didn’t want that. With more resources, the North was bound to win. A quick attack was the only way to make sure the north didn’t have momentum. A war was bound to break out anyway. Lincoln laughed at it and didn’t take it seriously. Then he attacked. The whole war was fought defensively for the south. There was no threat for most the north of houses being burnt and property stolen and people murdered and brutally put down by occupation. The confederates were desperate and they had some good men. When I talk about these men, I mean the men who opposed slavery on a moral basis but were patriots- and knew the north shouldn’t shove around the south and take states rights. The south would have eventually abolished slavery and ended racism- but they didn’t want to after the north made them angry. Moral of the story is big government is always bad.

This is some mediocre fake history here.

Do it again, Sherman.

[North German Realm]

>fought defensively
>attacked Fort Sumter

Are you implying the KKK are patriots?

No- thats wrong. The civil war was not about blacks or slavery for the most part. It was all political and economic difference. The north wanted to make their money by factories and their industry while the south wanted to make their money by agriculture. The north wanted taxes and workers who would benefit their economy while the south wanted state autonomy to benefit their economy. Big government helped Yankees, small government helped Southerners. The south wanted to leave because of the north’s authoritarianism- but the north didn’t want that. With more resources, the North was bound to win. A quick attack was the only way to make sure the north didn’t have momentum. A war was bound to break out anyway. Lincoln laughed at it and didn’t take it seriously. Then he attacked. The whole war was fought defensively for the south. There was no threat for most the north of houses being burnt and property stolen and people murdered and brutally put down by occupation. The confederates were desperate and they had some good men. When I talk about these men, I mean the men who opposed slavery on a moral basis but were patriots- and knew the north shouldn’t shove around the south and take states rights. The south would have eventually abolished slavery and ended racism- but they didn’t want to after the north made them angry. Moral of the story is big government is always bad.

General Sherman didn't do enough, it appears.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The south would have eventually abolished slavery and ended racism- but they didn’t want to after the north made them angry. Moral of the story is big government is always bad.

The confederate constitution prohibited that.

(4) No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

The south would have eventually abolished slavery and ended racism- but they didn’t want to after the north made them angry. Moral of the story is big government is always bad.

The confederate constitution prohibited that.

(4) No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.

The csa wouldn’t have existed for long. It was going to end from the start. It was more of a political stunt than a real country.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

No- thats wrong. The civil war was not about blacks or slavery for the most part. It was all political and economic difference. The north wanted to make their money by factories and their industry while the south wanted to make their money by agriculture. The north wanted taxes and workers who would benefit their economy while the south wanted state autonomy to benefit their economy. Big government helped Yankees, small government helped Southerners. The south wanted to leave because of the north’s authoritarianism- but the north didn’t want that. With more resources, the North was bound to win. A quick attack was the only way to make sure the north didn’t have momentum. A war was bound to break out anyway. Lincoln laughed at it and didn’t take it seriously. Then he attacked. The whole war was fought defensively for the south. There was no threat for most the north of houses being burnt and property stolen and people murdered and brutally put down by occupation. The confederates were desperate and they had some good men. When I talk about these men, I mean the men who opposed slavery on a moral basis but were patriots- and knew the north shouldn’t shove around the south and take states rights. The south would have eventually abolished slavery and ended racism- but they didn’t want to after the north made them angry. Moral of the story is big government is always bad.

General Sherman didn't do enough, it appears.

He did more than enough. The lost cause of the south spread after the war, and more violence against civilians wouldn't have stopped that.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

General Sherman didn't do enough, it appears.

He did more than enough. The lost cause of the south spread after the war, and more violence against civilians wouldn't have stopped that.

The shermanists just like violence and arson.

[North German Realm]

General Sherman didn't do enough, it appears.

He did more than enough. The lost cause of the south spread after the war, and more violence against civilians wouldn't have stopped that.

Eh. By General Sherman, I meant "violent, nearly zealous suppression of the South", which should have continued deep into the the Reconstruction by enfranchisement of the Blacks at the expense of the Dixies not to mention, you know, revoking the rebels' state status, reorganization of the reclaimed territory and erasure of antebellum laws that existed only to pander to the Slavering South)
Allowing the South to create the retardation that is the Lost Cause was just an insult to the people who actually fought and won against said "cause".

[Genivaria]

The confederate constitution prohibited that.

The csa wouldn’t have existed for long. It was going to end from the start. It was more of a political stunt than a real country.

Your groundless conjecture < historical statements of law.

[Novus America]

Oh and to stop this Lost Causer Bullshit (but I repeat myself):
“The new [Confederate] Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. ... (Jefferson's) ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. ... Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery– subordination to the superior race– is his natural and normal condition.”
Alexander Stevens, Vice President, CSA.

[Totally Not OEP]

I don't understand the obsession with Sherman as a Yankeeboo hero; him and Grant both were shit Generals that got lucky.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I don't understand the obsession with Sherman as a Yankeeboo hero; him and Grant both were shit Generals that got lucky.

Strategy is just formalized luck, change my goddamn mind.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

I don't understand the obsession with Sherman as a Yankeeboo hero; him and Grant both were shit Generals that got lucky.

Strategy is just formalized luck, change my goddamn mind.

Most of the Union’s generals.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

I don't understand the obsession with Sherman as a Yankeeboo hero; him and Grant both were shit Generals that got lucky.

Grant wasn’t even lucky. He just sent waves of troops to outnumber. It’s like the Soviet unskilled mob trope except actually true.

[Conserative Morality]

Strategy is just formalized luck, change my goddamn mind.

Most of the Union’s generals.

>> when Lost Causers are so desperate to deny their own losses they denigrate the greatest generals on the side of the Union, one a fearless man with a deep understanding of strategic warfare, the other a military genius who correctly predicted the pattern future wars would undertake both tactically and strategically
>> when they accidentally imply in the process that they were so incompetent that blind luck could absolutely crush them to the point of forcing an unconditional surrender

[Genivaria]

I don't understand the obsession with Sherman as a Yankeeboo hero; him and Grant both were shit Generals that got lucky.

Grant wasn’t even lucky. He just sent waves of troops to outnumber. It’s like the Soviet unskilled mob trope except actually true.

^This is why apologists shouldn't try to teach history.