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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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North German Realm
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Postby North German Realm » Fri May 03, 2019 8:29 am

Novus America wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Honestly, China. They've to actually produce some semblance of prosperity.


But the are Communist in name only, when actually practicing Communist theory they were a basket case.
They only became an economic power by dumping Communist economic theory.

Really they are closer to Fascism now.

Honestly, China becoming an economic power is a natural event. Their population, not to mention the natural resources that exist in the land upon which the Chinese live, means that the only way that -in a fair situation- they wouldn't be an economic power would be if they were grossly incompetent and did something ridiculously wrong (and let's not get into how Maoist China nearly did do that back when it was actually communist)
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Fri May 03, 2019 8:45 am

Hakons wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Honestly, China. They've to actually produce some semblance of prosperity.


They... literally killed 50 million people...

That was only a famine started by Mao within a few years. It’s probably about 60 million, maybe more, and that’s just Mao. Considering how many people China has put in concentration camps since his death, it’s higher still.
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Fri May 03, 2019 10:11 am

Reploid Productions wrote:
Fahran wrote:Pinkos are always a threat to an agreeable and virtuous social order.

I think this was meant to be sarcastic, but it's not obvious enough whether it's tongue-in-cheek sarcasm or legit "communists are a threat to society" trolling. Given your track record, I'll let this off with just an Ominous Looming and a reminder that sarcasm does not convey well via text and to be more mindful of your wording.

My remark was more so tongue-in-cheek than sincere, and I intended it to come off more as playful banter than as a serious critique of communism or as bait to anger other posters. While I do believe that communism implicitly opposes the prevailing social order, an inextricable result of its advocacy for the abolition of class distinctions and hierarchical relationships, I would not employ the word "pinkos" in a serious critique of an ideology nor would I target communists themselves in a serious critique of their ideology. I have, in the past, made clear that I can engage in respectful and mutually cordial conversations on this subject - as many here can testify. That said, I do understand that my phrasing and playfulness may not have been conveyed adequately without some prior acquaintance with my style of posting. Thank you for your time and for your forbearance, Reppy. I'll try to keep your advice in mind.
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Erythrean Thebes
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Founded: Jan 17, 2017
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Erythrean Thebes » Fri May 03, 2019 10:31 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Is the Right infighting? What did I miss?

Is the Right ever not infighting?...Lol

Here's a question for everybody: From the Right-Wing Point of View, which Communist Regime was best?

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Shanhwa
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Postby Shanhwa » Fri May 03, 2019 11:14 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Is the Right infighting? What did I miss?

Is the Right ever not infighting?...Lol

Here's a question for everybody: From the Right-Wing Point of View, which Communist Regime was best?


None of the above.
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Bear Stearns
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Capitalizt

Postby Bear Stearns » Fri May 03, 2019 11:26 am

Novus America wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Honestly, China. They've to actually produce some semblance of prosperity.


But the are Communist in name only, when actually practicing Communist theory they were a basket case.
They only became an economic power by dumping Communist economic theory.

Really they are closer to Fascism now.


Fair, I should have clarified that. I'd rather live in modern China than any of the other socialist or communist regimes that have existed.
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Bear Stearns
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri May 03, 2019 11:28 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:When given the choice, I think men prefer to work more than women, given absentee father rates vs. absentee mother rates.

Lot easier to skip out on a child when you don't have to physically be there for the birth. Not only that, but significant culture pressure is in effect there - absentee mothers are looked upon considerably worse due to the 'natural parent' myth.


How much of that do you think is cultural pressure vs. maternal instinct?
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Bienenhalde
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Founded: Mar 11, 2017
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Bienenhalde » Fri May 03, 2019 11:48 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Is the Right infighting? What did I miss?

Is the Right ever not infighting?...Lol

Here's a question for everybody: From the Right-Wing Point of View, which Communist Regime was best?


Hmm...I think East Germany. They were relatively tolerant compared to the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China in the same time period.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri May 03, 2019 12:11 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:How much of that do you think is cultural pressure vs. maternal instinct?

Mostly cultural pressure. Prolactin and other such hormones involved in heightening of parental instincts are predominantly released during pregnancy, immediately after birth, and shortly thereafter. While it helps facilitate an emotional attachment, the increased release of hormones does not persist past a few months. While women have higher natural rates of prolactin and progesterone, the difference outside of pregnancy is fairly minor, and most studies regard the necessary increase for a statistically significant difference in parental behavior to be far above the natural average difference. Not only that, but exposure to infants causes male hormones to spike in a similar way.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri May 03, 2019 1:01 pm

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Erythrean Thebes
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Erythrean Thebes » Fri May 03, 2019 1:10 pm


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Totally Not OEP
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Founded: Mar 30, 2019
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Fri May 03, 2019 11:59 pm

Fahran wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:I think this was meant to be sarcastic, but it's not obvious enough whether it's tongue-in-cheek sarcasm or legit "communists are a threat to society" trolling. Given your track record, I'll let this off with just an Ominous Looming and a reminder that sarcasm does not convey well via text and to be more mindful of your wording.

My remark was more so tongue-in-cheek than sincere, and I intended it to come off more as playful banter than as a serious critique of communism or as bait to anger other posters. While I do believe that communism implicitly opposes the prevailing social order, an inextricable result of its advocacy for the abolition of class distinctions and hierarchical relationships, I would not employ the word "pinkos" in a serious critique of an ideology nor would I target communists themselves in a serious critique of their ideology. I have, in the past, made clear that I can engage in respectful and mutually cordial conversations on this subject - as many here can testify. That said, I do understand that my phrasing and playfulness may not have been conveyed adequately without some prior acquaintance with my style of posting. Thank you for your time and for your forbearance, Reppy. I'll try to keep your advice in mind.


You're too nice, especially when it wasn't warranted in this case at all and they damn well know it.
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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Sat May 04, 2019 12:02 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Fahran wrote:My remark was more so tongue-in-cheek than sincere, and I intended it to come off more as playful banter than as a serious critique of communism or as bait to anger other posters. While I do believe that communism implicitly opposes the prevailing social order, an inextricable result of its advocacy for the abolition of class distinctions and hierarchical relationships, I would not employ the word "pinkos" in a serious critique of an ideology nor would I target communists themselves in a serious critique of their ideology. I have, in the past, made clear that I can engage in respectful and mutually cordial conversations on this subject - as many here can testify. That said, I do understand that my phrasing and playfulness may not have been conveyed adequately without some prior acquaintance with my style of posting. Thank you for your time and for your forbearance, Reppy. I'll try to keep your advice in mind.


You're too nice, especially when it wasn't warranted in this case at all and they damn well know it.


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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sat May 04, 2019 12:12 am

Torrocca wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
You're too nice, especially when it wasn't warranted in this case at all and they damn well know it.


Fahran did nothing wrong, gib her justice >:v


For once, we are in agreement.
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Postby Painisia » Sat May 04, 2019 3:11 am

Does OEP support the American Falangist Party or is he just apolitical in the context of the two-party system?
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Grenartia
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Sat May 04, 2019 6:51 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I swapped the images out because the first one didn't convey the idea I was trying to discuss. Apologies in that regard.
The 50s set the groundwork for what could have been a far greater American society, and like every decade that preceded it, there were obvious flaws (most of which still exist). The idealized version of it is something to strive for.

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1976-77 America best America.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat May 04, 2019 7:04 am

Grenartia wrote:1976-77 America best America.

How many KKK members did Carter shoot?
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Postby Grenartia » Sat May 04, 2019 7:27 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Grenartia wrote:1976-77 America best America.

How many KKK members did Carter shoot?


Admittedly not many, though they weren't as significant of a political force at that time to necessitate shooting them en masse.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat May 04, 2019 7:31 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I swapped the images out because the first one didn't convey the idea I was trying to discuss. Apologies in that regard.
The 50s set the groundwork for what could have been a far greater American society, and like every decade that preceded it, there were obvious flaws (most of which still exist). The idealized version of it is something to strive for.

Reconstruction America best America

Better than modern America? That was a time when the KKK were formidable, and government literally had to keep the army in the South to keep them at bay.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat May 04, 2019 7:37 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Better than modern America? That was a time when the KKK were formidable, and government literally had to keep the army in the South to keep them at bay.

That's the selling point for me tbh.
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 04, 2019 8:00 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Better than modern America? That was a time when the KKK were formidable, and government literally had to keep the army in the South to keep them at bay.

That's the selling point for me tbh.

This needs an elaboration, but I don't feel like I want to know what the elaboration is.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Sat May 04, 2019 8:04 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:That's the selling point for me tbh.

This needs an elaboration, but I don't feel like I want to know what the elaboration is.


Only Americans understand.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat May 04, 2019 8:05 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:This needs an elaboration, but I don't feel like I want to know what the elaboration is.

Conserative Morality wrote:How many KKK members did Carter shoot?

Who else would be doing the shooting if not the army? I don't want vigilantes doing the job.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat May 04, 2019 8:23 am

Fahran wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:I think this was meant to be sarcastic, but it's not obvious enough whether it's tongue-in-cheek sarcasm or legit "communists are a threat to society" trolling. Given your track record, I'll let this off with just an Ominous Looming and a reminder that sarcasm does not convey well via text and to be more mindful of your wording.

My remark was more so tongue-in-cheek than sincere, and I intended it to come off more as playful banter than as a serious critique of communism or as bait to anger other posters. While I do believe that communism implicitly opposes the prevailing social order, an inextricable result of its advocacy for the abolition of class distinctions and hierarchical relationships, I would not employ the word "pinkos" in a serious critique of an ideology nor would I target communists themselves in a serious critique of their ideology. I have, in the past, made clear that I can engage in respectful and mutually cordial conversations on this subject - as many here can testify. That said, I do understand that my phrasing and playfulness may not have been conveyed adequately without some prior acquaintance with my style of posting. Thank you for your time and for your forbearance, Reppy. I'll try to keep your advice in mind.

What the fuck? It’s obvious the mods don’t and won’t consider any of this. They’ve gotten on my case twice for simple anti-communism. You can’t say ‘I don’t like commies’ now.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat May 04, 2019 8:26 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:This needs an elaboration, but I don't feel like I want to know what the elaboration is.

Conserative Morality wrote:How many KKK members did Carter shoot?

Who else would be doing the shooting if not the army? I don't want vigilantes doing the job.

Maybe you don’t need to shoot them because they aren’t liberals.
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