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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 02, 2019 7:36 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:America has certainly prevailed over the world (unfortunately).

And it makes me happy.


It makes you happy that a country that's practically the antithesis of Catholicism is dominating Earth?

Funny, this conflict of interests.
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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu May 02, 2019 7:36 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I'm sure you'd be as silent as a rock if America or Catholicism got trashed by something superior. :^)

America is setting itself on the path for destruction, but fortunately the gates of Hell will never prevail over the Church.


That's because the Church is itself the gates to hell. ;)
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Yusseria
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Postby Yusseria » Thu May 02, 2019 7:40 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:And it makes me happy.


It makes you happy that a country that's practically the antithesis of Catholicism is dominating Earth?

Funny, this conflict of interests.

Good thing we're mostly Protestant, then.
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Fahran
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Founded: Nov 13, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Fahran » Thu May 02, 2019 7:41 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Fahran wrote:I'm sassing. I seldom ever come out vehemently against someone who isn't a white nationalist unless I'm being playful.


Ah, understood.

In other (somewhat less political) news, my school held their Prom earlier this evening. It went rather well; by the end of the evening I sang a (surprisingly good) rendition of “Bat Out of Hell” by Meat Loaf.

I'm glad you had fun celebrating what most Americans would call a rite of passage. My prom was pretty fun too.

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu May 02, 2019 7:42 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:And it makes me happy.


It makes you happy that a country that's practically the antithesis of Catholicism is dominating Earth?

Funny, this conflict of interests.

I'm secretly a clone of Paul Ryan.
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:And it makes me happy.

If you missed it, the implication is that America is hell. :)

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Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu May 02, 2019 7:42 pm

Fahran wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Ah, understood.

In other (somewhat less political) news, my school held their Prom earlier this evening. It went rather well; by the end of the evening I sang a (surprisingly good) rendition of “Bat Out of Hell” by Meat Loaf.

I'm glad you had fun celebrating what most Americans would call a rite of passage. My prom was pretty fun too.


My main complaint was a large amount of the songs played; I’m not a fan of trap music if I’m to be completely honest, since I find it to be horrid to the ears.
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Yusseria
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Founded: Feb 02, 2019
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Postby Yusseria » Thu May 02, 2019 7:45 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
It makes you happy that a country that's practically the antithesis of Catholicism is dominating Earth?

Funny, this conflict of interests.

I'm secretly a clone of Paul Ryan.
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:If you missed it, the implication is that America is hell. :)

Image

Our decline started right around the time we let feminists diminish the importance of the nuclear family and idolize single mothers.

Family is the basis of everything.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Posts: 9482
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 02, 2019 7:45 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Not letting people vote is an even worse idea. No taxation without representation.


But all administrative regions of the (as of yet hypothetical) World State would have representation in the Legislature.

Sounds like trouble to me. I don't want Saudi Arabia's seat voting on LGBT issues or China's seat voting on free speech issues.
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Northern Davincia
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Founded: Jun 10, 2014
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu May 02, 2019 7:46 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I'm secretly a clone of Paul Ryan.

Image

Our decline started right around the time we let feminists diminish the importance of the nuclear family and idolize single mothers.

Family is the basis of everything.

That much is true to a certain extent, but communist infiltration is a factor not to go ignored.
Hoppean Libertarian, Acolyte of von Mises, Protector of Our Sacred Liberties
Economic Left/Right: 9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Fahran
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Founded: Nov 13, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Fahran » Thu May 02, 2019 7:46 pm

Yusseria wrote:Our decline started right around the time we let feminists diminish the importance of the nuclear family and idolize single mothers.

Family is the basis of everything.

Please don't disrespect me like this. Am I a joke to you, Yuss? :p

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Munkcestrian Republic
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Founded: May 01, 2019
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Thu May 02, 2019 7:47 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:And it makes me happy.


It makes you happy that a country that's practically the antithesis of Catholicism is dominating Earth?

Funny, this conflict of interests.


Hanafuridake wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:America is setting itself on the path for destruction, but fortunately the gates of Hell will never prevail over the Church.


That's because the Church is itself the gates to hell. ;)


Very good takes here
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Yusseria
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Postby Yusseria » Thu May 02, 2019 7:48 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Yusseria wrote:Our decline started right around the time we let feminists diminish the importance of the nuclear family and idolize single mothers.

Family is the basis of everything.

That much is true to a certain extent, but communist infiltration is a factor not to go ignored.

Feminists and communists go hand-in-hand, tbh.
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Yusseria
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Postby Yusseria » Thu May 02, 2019 7:48 pm

Fahran wrote:
Yusseria wrote:Our decline started right around the time we let feminists diminish the importance of the nuclear family and idolize single mothers.

Family is the basis of everything.

Please don't disrespect me like this. Am I a joke to you, Yuss? :p

My apologies for this grievous offense. I will give myself 50 lashes immediately.
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There is nothing wrong with Islamaphobia

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Torrocca
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Posts: 27797
Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Thu May 02, 2019 7:49 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Yusseria wrote:Our decline started right around the time we let feminists diminish the importance of the nuclear family and idolize single mothers.

Family is the basis of everything.

That much is true to a certain extent, but communist infiltration is a factor not to go ignored.


It's hilarious how the self-labeled """libertarian""" would oppose a woman's freedom of choice to... not have a nuclear family.
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They call me Torra, but you can call me... anytime (☞⌐■_■)☞
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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
NOTICE 2: Most RP and every OOC post by me prior to 2023 are no longer endorsed nor tolerated by me. I've since put on my adult pants!
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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu May 02, 2019 7:50 pm

So I finally managed to beat Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne. For those interested, I chose the Shijima Reason.
Fahran wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
If believing that the world should be united under one state makes me an imperialist, then I guess I’m an imperialist? My apologies if that makes me the villain or something.

I'm sassing. I seldom ever come out vehemently against someone who isn't a white nationalist unless I'm being playful.


Someone hasn't forgotten the Amalekites.
Nation name in proper language: 花降岳|पुष्पद्वीप
Theravada Buddhist
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu May 02, 2019 7:50 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
But all administrative regions of the (as of yet hypothetical) World State would have representation in the Legislature.

Sounds like trouble to me. I don't want Saudi Arabia's seat voting on LGBT issues or China's seat voting on free speech.


I believe that you’re making an incorrect assumption about the character of such a state. While I find the term “cultural imperialism” to be rather pejorative, it is nevertheless necessary. In essence, socio-cultural “memes” (or whatever term you wish to use; I’m sure that you all nevertheless get my intent, since y’all are a clever bunch) that are contrary to Good shall be discarded. While this will be initially unpopular, it will be beneficial in the long term, for there will be no conflict in values between the citizenry of the World State. Do I make sense?
< THE HIGH SWAGLORD | 8VALUES | POLITISCALES >
My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Northern Davincia
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Posts: 16960
Founded: Jun 10, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Northern Davincia » Thu May 02, 2019 7:51 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:America is setting itself on the path for destruction, but fortunately the gates of Hell will never prevail over the Church.


That's because the Church is itself the gates to hell. ;)

Pagans say the darndest things.
Hoppean Libertarian, Acolyte of von Mises, Protector of Our Sacred Liberties
Economic Left/Right: 9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu May 02, 2019 7:52 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:So I finally managed to beat Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne. For those interested, I chose the Shijima Reason.
Fahran wrote:I'm sassing. I seldom ever come out vehemently against someone who isn't a white nationalist unless I'm being playful.


Someone hasn't forgotten the Amalekites.


I see that you’ve chosen wisely, m8. You have come to accept the Greater Good.
< THE HIGH SWAGLORD | 8VALUES | POLITISCALES >
My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Northern Davincia
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Founded: Jun 10, 2014
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu May 02, 2019 7:53 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:That much is true to a certain extent, but communist infiltration is a factor not to go ignored.


It's hilarious how the self-labeled """libertarian""" would oppose a woman's freedom of choice to... not have a nuclear family.

Criticizing choices does not equal opposing choice, y'know. Promoting single parenthood has been disastrous and divorce should not be incentivized by the state.
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Hoppean Libertarian, Acolyte of von Mises, Protector of Our Sacred Liberties
Economic Left/Right: 9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Munkcestrian Republic
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Founded: May 01, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Thu May 02, 2019 7:54 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
That's because the Church is itself the gates to hell. ;)

Pagans say the darndest things.

says the libertarian Catholic whose anti-feminism is presumably motivated by his inability to get a gf
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu May 02, 2019 7:55 pm

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Pagans say the darndest things.

says the libertarian Catholic whose anti-feminism is presumably motivated by his inability to get a gf


The joke’s on all of you: eros does not compute! :p
< THE HIGH SWAGLORD | 8VALUES | POLITISCALES >
My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Fahran
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Posts: 22562
Founded: Nov 13, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Fahran » Thu May 02, 2019 7:55 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:Someone hasn't forgotten the Amalekites.

And I never will. :lol:

Dark.

Yusseria wrote:
Fahran wrote:Please don't disrespect me like this. Am I a joke to you, Yuss? :p

My apologies for this grievous offense. I will give myself 50 lashes immediately.

> Be me
> White-ish Southerner
> Someone offers to give themselves lashes on my behalf
Why am I sweating so profusely and when did the top get so uncomfortable?
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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Thu May 02, 2019 7:55 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
It's hilarious how the self-labeled """libertarian""" would oppose a woman's freedom of choice to... not have a nuclear family.

Criticizing choices does not equal opposing choice, y'know. Promoting single parenthood has been disastrous and divorce should not be incentivized by the state.


And I'm certain you'd respect a woman's choice to be a Communist and Feminist single mother. :)
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They call me Torra, but you can call me... anytime (☞⌐■_■)☞
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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
NOTICE 2: Most RP and every OOC post by me prior to 2023 are no longer endorsed nor tolerated by me. I've since put on my adult pants!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Kowani
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Posts: 44957
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Thu May 02, 2019 7:56 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
It makes you happy that a country that's practically the antithesis of Catholicism is dominating Earth?

Funny, this conflict of interests.

I'm secretly a clone of Paul Ryan.
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:If you missed it, the implication is that America is hell. :)

Image

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Posts: 9482
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 02, 2019 7:57 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Sounds like trouble to me. I don't want Saudi Arabia's seat voting on LGBT issues or China's seat voting on free speech.


I believe that you’re making an incorrect assumption about the character of such a state. While I find the term “cultural imperialism” to be rather pejorative, it is nevertheless necessary. In essence, socio-cultural “memes” (or whatever term you wish to use; I’m sure that you all nevertheless get my intent, since y’all are a clever bunch) that are contrary to Good shall be discarded. While this will be initially unpopular, it will be beneficial in the long term, for there will be no conflict in values between the citizenry of the World State. Do I make sense?

And how will those bad sociocultural memes be "discarded?"
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