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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu May 02, 2019 7:13 pm

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Valrifell wrote:It's really funny but mostly said that somehow someone took the bait and now we're talking about Northumbria, when it absolutely didn't have to be this way.

Northumbria lives on.


Please pardon me if I seem impolite, but if I must provide my proverbial “two cents” to this discussion, it is mildly strange (from my perspective, at least) to argue in favor of restoring a state that ceased to exist approximately one thousand years ago. Do I make any sense? My apologies if I don’t, I can assure you that I’ve no ill intent.
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Yusseria
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Postby Yusseria » Thu May 02, 2019 7:14 pm

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Yusseria wrote:Is it? I don't care.

Such typical American behaviour.

Yusseria wrote:Anglo-Saxon

"Anglo-Saxon" is West Saxon propaganda.

I mean, the English call themselves Anglo-Saxons, so...
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Munkcestrian Republic
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Thu May 02, 2019 7:15 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:Northumbria lives on.


Please pardon me if I seem impolite, but if I must provide my proverbial “two cents” to this discussion, it is mildly strange (from my perspective, at least) to argue in favor of restoring a state that ceased to exist approximately one thousand years ago. Do I make any sense? My apologies if I don’t, I can assure you that I’ve no ill intent.

It may seem strange, but much stranger things have happened

And nobody complains about Scottish nationalism being, where it isn't complete fiction, based on historical revisionism and excuses for Jacobite treason.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Thu May 02, 2019 7:16 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:Such typical American behaviour.


"Anglo-Saxon" is West Saxon propaganda.

I mean, the English call themselves Anglo-Saxons, so...

Some Americans insist on calling themselves Anglo-Saxons. No idea why, though.
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu May 02, 2019 7:18 pm

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Please pardon me if I seem impolite, but if I must provide my proverbial “two cents” to this discussion, it is mildly strange (from my perspective, at least) to argue in favor of restoring a state that ceased to exist approximately one thousand years ago. Do I make any sense? My apologies if I don’t, I can assure you that I’ve no ill intent.

It may seem strange, but much stranger things have happened

And nobody complains about Scottish nationalism being, where it isn't complete fiction, based on historical revisionism and excuses for Jacobite treason.


If I may ask, do you support the restoration of the rest of the Heptarchy as well, or just Northumbria?
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Thu May 02, 2019 7:18 pm


If we are to impose our standards of law across the globe, we might as well annex these regions so that we may do it more wholly. And destroy all who would oppose the rule of law as traitors and villains. It's merely imperialism with a prettier face.

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Yusseria
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Postby Yusseria » Thu May 02, 2019 7:20 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
So what are you saying? Do you think having morals is unpatriotic?

Yes. Such is always the refrain of his kind.

>tfw India annexing Sikkim is the equivalent of Nazi Germany
:lol:
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Postby Yusseria » Thu May 02, 2019 7:21 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Yusseria wrote:Press X to doubt.

A proper Americaboo wouldn't wanna drag their country into endless pointless shit like sanctioning India for annexing regions we don't give a fuck about.

He doesn't love his country. He's just deluded himself into thinking he does.


So what are you saying? Do you think having morals is unpatriotic?

No. But I think abusing our morality to justify endless interventionism is inherently unpatriotic.

CM is not a patriot. It's that simple.
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 02, 2019 7:22 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah, hun. There's a thing I can think of right now related to this post that would be "nothing of value being lost", but destroyed cultures aren't any of them.

If a culture is inferior, it is not to be mourned.


I'm sure you'd be as silent as a rock if America or Catholicism got trashed by something superior. :^)
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu May 02, 2019 7:22 pm

Fahran wrote:

If we are to impose our standards of law across the globe, we might as well annex these regions so that we may do it more wholly. And destroy all who would oppose the rule of law as traitors and villains. It's merely imperialism with a prettier face.


If believing that the world should be united under one state makes me an imperialist, then I guess I’m an imperialist? My apologies if that makes me the villain or something.
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monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
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Postby Yusseria » Thu May 02, 2019 7:23 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:If a culture is inferior, it is not to be mourned.


I'm sure you'd be as silent as a rock if America or Catholicism got trashed by something superior. :^)

If American culture did degrade to a point where it could be destroyed by another then clearly we fucked it up and it would be time to start over.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu May 02, 2019 7:23 pm

Fahran wrote:

If we are to impose our standards of law across the globe, we might as well annex these regions so that we may do it more wholly. And destroy all who would oppose the rule of law as traitors and villains. It's merely imperialism with a prettier face.


Stop giving him ideas.
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Munkcestrian Republic
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Thu May 02, 2019 7:23 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:It may seem strange, but much stranger things have happened

And nobody complains about Scottish nationalism being, where it isn't complete fiction, based on historical revisionism and excuses for Jacobite treason.


If I may ask, do you support the restoration of the rest of the Heptarchy as well, or just Northumbria?

I support the independence of Mercia under the wise rule of Jeff Kent and the independence of Wessex under the wise rule of Colin Bex. And the independence of the rest of the Heptarchy, of course.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu May 02, 2019 7:24 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:If a culture is inferior, it is not to be mourned.


I'm sure you'd be as silent as a rock if America or Catholicism got trashed by something superior. :^)

America is setting itself on the path for destruction, but fortunately the gates of Hell will never prevail over the Church.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 02, 2019 7:25 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Fahran wrote:If we are to impose our standards of law across the globe, we might as well annex these regions so that we may do it more wholly. And destroy all who would oppose the rule of law as traitors and villains. It's merely imperialism with a prettier face.


If believing that the world should be united under one state makes me an imperialist, then I guess I’m an imperialist? My apologies if that makes me the villain or something.

One world government is a horrible idea. Do you really want China's population to have more of a vote than your population?
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Munkcestrian Republic
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Thu May 02, 2019 7:25 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I'm sure you'd be as silent as a rock if America or Catholicism got trashed by something superior. :^)

America is setting itself on the path for destruction, but fortunately the gates of Hell will never prevail over the Church.

America has certainly prevailed over the world (unfortunately).
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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 02, 2019 7:25 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I'm sure you'd be as silent as a rock if America or Catholicism got trashed by something superior. :^)

America is setting itself on the path for destruction, but fortunately the gates of Hell will never prevail over the Church.


Ah, so we're just choosing the route of denial instead for a hypothetical situation, I see.
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu May 02, 2019 7:27 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
If believing that the world should be united under one state makes me an imperialist, then I guess I’m an imperialist? My apologies if that makes me the villain or something.

One world government is a horrible idea. Do you really want China's population to have more of a vote than your population?


> Vote

Did I mention that an elective constitutional (but not merely ceremonial) monarchy would be the ideal? I might have mentioned it a few pages back, my apologies if it wasn’t sufficiently clear.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu May 02, 2019 7:30 pm

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:America is setting itself on the path for destruction, but fortunately the gates of Hell will never prevail over the Church.

America has certainly prevailed over the world (unfortunately).

And it makes me happy.
Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:America is setting itself on the path for destruction, but fortunately the gates of Hell will never prevail over the Church.


Ah, so we're just choosing the route of denial instead for a hypothetical situation, I see.

Some hypotheticals are special for their absurdity. For instance, a certain anarchist community could hypothetically ban homosexuality, but that would never happen.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 02, 2019 7:31 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:One world government is a horrible idea. Do you really want China's population to have more of a vote than your population?


> Vote

Did I mention that an elective constitutional (but not merely ceremonial) monarchy would be the ideal? I might have mentioned it a few pages back, my apologies if it wasn’t sufficiently clear.

Not letting people vote is an even worse idea. No taxation without representation.
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Postby Fahran » Thu May 02, 2019 7:31 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Fahran wrote:If we are to impose our standards of law across the globe, we might as well annex these regions so that we may do it more wholly. And destroy all who would oppose the rule of law as traitors and villains. It's merely imperialism with a prettier face.


If believing that the world should be united under one state makes me an imperialist, then I guess I’m an imperialist? My apologies if that makes me the villain or something.

I'm sassing. I seldom ever come out vehemently against someone who isn't a white nationalist unless I'm being playful.

Northern Davincia wrote:Some hypotheticals are special for their absurdity. For instance, a certain anarchist community could hypothetically ban homosexuality, but that would never happen.

Laughs in physical removal. Not all anarchists were or are socially progressive, and some would not have a problem with persecuting LGBT people.
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu May 02, 2019 7:33 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
> Vote

Did I mention that an elective constitutional (but not merely ceremonial) monarchy would be the ideal? I might have mentioned it a few pages back, my apologies if it wasn’t sufficiently clear.

Not letting people vote is an even worse idea. No taxation without representation.


But all administrative regions of the (as of yet hypothetical) World State would have representation in the Legislature.
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The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Munkcestrian Republic
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Thu May 02, 2019 7:33 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:America has certainly prevailed over the world (unfortunately).

And it makes me happy.

If you missed it, the implication is that America is hell. :)
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu May 02, 2019 7:35 pm

Fahran wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
If believing that the world should be united under one state makes me an imperialist, then I guess I’m an imperialist? My apologies if that makes me the villain or something.

I'm sassing. I seldom ever come out vehemently against someone who isn't a white nationalist unless I'm being playful.


Ah, understood.

In other (somewhat less political) news, my school held their Prom earlier this evening. It went rather well; by the end of the evening I sang a (surprisingly good) rendition of “Bat Out of Hell” by Meat Loaf.
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The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Postby Beggnig » Thu May 02, 2019 7:36 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Here's a contentious topic. What are your thoughts on the White Man's Burden?

I think when divorced from profit-centered colonialism, missionary-based colonialism had the noble goal of introducing millions to Jesus Christ and salvation. Even when carried out by Protestants or Anglicans, their work was/is extremely important in saving the souls of non-Europeans and non-Whites. In that way, "Whites" did have a burden to carry out.


Russians did it better though. Check out Russian America and the Orthodox missionaries there for how it should be done.

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