Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Fahran]

So what you're implying is that, since we live in a society, we should thus rise up?

Not quite. I'm merely stating a simple truth - that coercion is an inevitable aspect of human experience and that it underlines most of our social interactions, especially in political and economic contexts. Consent is one way in which we restrict the more deleterious instances of coercion in our social interactions, but even this is subject to cultural and social factors. My argument is that we're not individuals floating in a vacuum. We don't just possess and shape culture and social values. We're also possessed and shaped by them.

[Novus America]

All society, all culture, all convention/revolution is coercion. Politics is merely one facet of that coercion. And what is coercion? It is violence or the threat of violence.


I'm aware. Crack tends to be cut with a lot of other stuff though, and, as you stated, moves into the bloodstream faster. By no means am I suggesting that snorting cocaine is healthy or safe.

So what you're implying is that, since we live in a society, we should thus rise up?

Some level of coercion is not a bad thing. But it has to be done in moderation.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

So what you're implying is that, since we live in a society, we should thus rise up?

Not quite. I'm merely stating a simple truth - that coercion is an inevitable aspect of human experience and that it underlines most of our social interactions, especially in political and economic contexts. Consent is one way in which we restrict the more deleterious instances of coercion in our social interactions, but even this is subject to cultural and social factors. My argument is that we're not individuals floating in a vacuum. We don't just possess and shape culture and social values. We're also possessed and shaped by them.

I mean, you're not wrong. However, I must disclose that I was being a memester at the time that I wrote that post.


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[Conserative Morality]

We should groom India to be the next world hegemon y/y?

[North German Realm]

We should groom India to be the next world hegemon y/y?

Dividing the Raj by religious lines was a mistake and the Brits should have divided it into smaller partitions along the lines of historical states instead.

[Novus America]

We should groom India to be the next world hegemon y/y?

Cohegemon.
All Indian Subcontinent and Afghanistan rightful Indian clay.
Together we defeat the Red Chinese menace.

Seriously though we absolutely need to be grooming India to be a much greater power.
In addition to massively expanding our own population, a strong India, who will soon have more people than China anyways is the only way to offset China’s overwhelming population advantage.

[North German Realm]

We should groom India to be the next world hegemon y/y?

Cohegemon.
All Indian Subcontinent and Afghanistan rightful Indian clay.
Together we defeat the Red Chinese menace.

Seriously though we absolutely need to be grooming India to be a much greater power.
In addition to massively expanding our own population, a strong India, who will soon have more people than China anyways is the only way to offset China’s overwhelming population advantage.

India's society leaves much to be desired though. Especially their culture and caste system. Not that Pakistan -or any other state in the region- is any better of course.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

We should groom India to be the next world hegemon y/y?

Dividing the Raj by religious lines was a mistake and the Brits should have divided it into smaller partitions along the lines of historical states instead.

*makes every town and city its own independent nation and declares every single one of them the true India*
India 2: Now with a battle royale mode!

[Conserative Morality]

India's society leaves much to be desired though. Especially their culture and caste system. Not that Pakistan -or any other state in the region- is any better of course.

At this point in time the caste system is more akin to racism just after desegregation, and falling by the wayside quickly.

[Shanhwa]

All society, all culture, all convention/revolution is coercion. Politics is merely one facet of that coercion. And what is coercion? It is violence or the threat of violence.


I'm aware. Crack tends to be cut with a lot of other stuff though, and, as you stated, moves into the bloodstream faster. By no means am I suggesting that snorting cocaine is healthy or safe.

So what you're implying is that, since we live in a society, we should thus rise up?

GAMERS
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[Shanhwa]

Dividing the Raj by religious lines was a mistake and the Brits should have divided it into smaller partitions along the lines of historical states instead.

*makes every town and city its own independent nation and declares every single one of them the true India*
India 2: Now with a battle royale mode!

HOI4 but every state is independent

[North German Realm]

Dividing the Raj by religious lines was a mistake and the Brits should have divided it into smaller partitions along the lines of historical states instead.

*makes every town and city its own independent nation and declares every single one of them the true India*
India 2: Now with a battle royale mode!

Yeah, because India was made of bickering City-States all the way into the 19th century when Company Rule became prevalent.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

*makes every town and city its own independent nation and declares every single one of them the true India*
India 2: Now with a battle royale mode!

HOI4 but every state is independent

HOI4 but every tile is independent

[Conserative Morality]

*makes every town and city its own independent nation and declares every single one of them the true India*
India 2: Now with a battle royale mode!

Yeah, because India was made of bickering City-States all the way into the 19th century when Company Rule became prevalent.

M U G H A L G A N G

[North German Realm]

Yeah, because India was made of bickering City-States all the way into the 19th century when Company Rule became prevalent.

M U G H A L G A N G

I mean. Yeah. Dividing India into rump states with cores in the old Mughal Empire, Hyderabad, Burma, Baluchistan, etc. etc. would be smarter than dividing them by religious lines. Even recognizing the two-nation theory was a mistake and one that the Indian People are suffering for even to the day.

[Novus America]

Cohegemon.
All Indian Subcontinent and Afghanistan rightful Indian clay.
Together we defeat the Red Chinese menace.

Seriously though we absolutely need to be grooming India to be a much greater power.
In addition to massively expanding our own population, a strong India, who will soon have more people than China anyways is the only way to offset China’s overwhelming population advantage.

India's society leaves much to be desired though. Especially their culture and caste system. Not that Pakistan -or any other state in the region- is any better of course.

So did the US society in the 30s. It is improving and will continue to improve.
Transitioning India into a true major power and truly functioning modern society will not happen overnight of course. This is a long game.

[Novus America]

M U G H A L G A N G

I mean. Yeah. Dividing India into rump states with cores in the old Mughal Empire, Hyderabad, Burma, Baluchistan, etc. etc. would be smarter than dividing them by religious lines. Even recognizing the two-nation theory was a mistake and one that the Indian People are suffering for even to the day.

The “two nation theory” seriously needs to die.

[Jolthig]

M U G H A L G A N G

I mean. Yeah. Dividing India into rump states with cores in the old Mughal Empire, Hyderabad, Burma, Baluchistan, etc. etc. would be smarter than dividing them by religious lines. Even recognizing the two-nation theory was a mistake and one that the Indian People are suffering for even to the day.

The two nation theory definitely led to many problems and actually, I recall the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community warned against the creation of Pakistan which could lead to suffering. Basically, the British created a semi-theocracy that now persecutes my community, and is unfair to other minorities.

Why not just keep India as a whole? At least make it a federation of some kind. Granted, today's India is already like that, but it could've really brought everyone from each faith and culture together and to work together for a better country.

[Old Tyrannia]

India should be subjected to sanctions until they cease their illegal occupation of Sikkim, Goa and Hyderabad.

[Jolthig]

India should be subjected to sanctions until they cease their illegal occupation of Sikkim, Goa and Hyderabad.

What exactly will sanctions do to teach India anything? It will cause needless suffering and starvation of people.

[Old Tyrannia]

India should be subjected to sanctions until they cease their illegal occupation of Sikkim, Goa and Hyderabad.

What exactly will sanctions do to teach India anything? It will cause needless suffering and starvation of people.

You're right, the Indians won't notice anything's different.

[Jolthig]

What exactly will sanctions do to teach India anything? It will cause needless suffering and starvation of people.

You're right, the Indians won't notice anything's different.

True, but then, there's hardly any point for a sanctions...

[Old Tyrannia]

You're right, the Indians won't notice anything's different.

True, but then, there's hardly any point for a sanctions...

We've imposed sanctions on Russia for their occupation of the Crimea. That's proven to be pointless. We might as well be consistent.

[Proctopeo]

I mean. Yeah. Dividing India into rump states with cores in the old Mughal Empire, Hyderabad, Burma, Baluchistan, etc. etc. would be smarter than dividing them by religious lines. Even recognizing the two-nation theory was a mistake and one that the Indian People are suffering for even to the day.

The two nation theory definitely led to many problems and actually, I recall the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community warned against the creation of Pakistan which could lead to suffering. Basically, the British created a semi-theocracy that now persecutes my community, and is unfair to other minorities.

Why not just keep India as a whole? At least make it a federation of some kind. Granted, today's India is already like that, but it could've really brought everyone from each faith and culture together and to work together for a better country.

Honestly, yeah; keeping the Raj as a single unified independent state would've been best. While there'd definitely be much protest from the regions that became Pakistan (and to some extend Bangladesh) these would fade with time.

Besides that, a unified Indian subcontinent would act as an even stronger counterweight to the PRC.

[Jolthig]

True, but then, there's hardly any point for a sanctions...

We've imposed sanctions on Russia for their occupation of the Crimea. That's proven to be pointless. We might as well be consistent.

Even the sanctions on North Korea is pointless.