Painisia wrote:Are there any Venezuelans on NS, or is NS banned in Venezuela?
I doubt many Venezuelans have running water, much less internet connection.
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by Hammer Britannia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:21 am
by Shanhwa » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:23 am
Conserative Morality wrote:Nea Byzantia wrote:
(Note: Those cowering on the floor before Emperor Basil II "The Bulgar-Slayer" are all the corrupt oligarchs and politicians who got rich off the People. Basil used corporal punishment - blinding, torture and expropriation of property - to root out corruption and make sure the Government ran efficiently; he also protected the rights of the People; by which I mean the Peasants, Artisans, ordinary working folk. He stabilized the Empire during a time of crisis, and his reign was something of a Golden Age; not to mention the longest of any Byzantine Emperor; from 976 AD - 1025 AD. The only other people who ever came close to this in Modern Greek History was the Military Junta of 1967 - 1974. I might add that neither the Emperor nor the Junta believed in Democracy or Liberalism, and they managed to take good care of their People - better than any Democrat has ever managed. How is this possible? Democrats, discuss!)
>> when I wake up to some low-grade autocracy apologism
Tell me more about how the junta totally didn't arbitrarily arrest, murder, and torture thousands of Greek citizens on trumped-on charges. I also enjoy the rampant nepotism, corruption, waste, and factionalism during the seven short years of the regime.
Basil II was okay by the standards of his time, but I wouldn't attribute any greatness to him.
by Conserative Morality » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:23 am
Nea Byzantia wrote:Why not? What wasn't great about Basil? Why is he subpar in your eyes?
by Conserative Morality » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:25 am
by Hammer Britannia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:27 am
Shanhwa wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:>> when I wake up to some low-grade autocracy apologism
Tell me more about how the junta totally didn't arbitrarily arrest, murder, and torture thousands of Greek citizens on trumped-on charges. I also enjoy the rampant nepotism, corruption, waste, and factionalism during the seven short years of the regime.
Basil II was okay by the standards of his time, but I wouldn't attribute any greatness to him.
1967-1974 Greek flag > lighter blue Greek flag
You can’t change my mind.
by Nea Byzantia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:33 am
by Conserative Morality » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:42 am
by Duhon » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:45 am
Nea Byzantia wrote:The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:>when the monarchs don’t get to fuck with the people anymore and steal their money
(Note: Those cowering on the floor before Emperor Basil II "The Bulgar-Slayer" are all the corrupt oligarchs and politicians who got rich off the People. Basil used corporal punishment - blinding, torture and expropriation of property - to root out corruption and make sure the Government ran efficiently; he also protected the rights of the People; by which I mean the Peasants, Artisans, ordinary working folk. He stabilized the Empire during a time of crisis, and his reign was something of a Golden Age; not to mention the longest of any Byzantine Emperor; from 976 AD - 1025 AD. The only other people who ever came close to this in Modern Greek History was the Military Junta of 1967 - 1974. I might add that neither the Emperor nor the Junta believed in Democracy or Liberalism, and they managed to take good care of their People - better than any Democrat has ever managed. How is this possible? Democrats, discuss!)
by Novus America » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:09 am
by Vrijstaat Limburg » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:11 am
by Conserative Morality » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:14 am
by Totally Not OEP » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:31 am
by Nea Byzantia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:43 am
Totally Not OEP wrote:Basil II receives a lot of (justly deserved) admiration, but it does seem wrong that it's to the extent that his predecessor is comparatively forgotten. John I Tzimiskes laid much of the administrative foundation that Basil built upon while also managing to take the fight to the Islamic foes to the East of the Romans, reconquering Syria and coming close to even retaking Jerusalem; his untimely death prevented the Byzantines from properly securing these conquests, alas, and Basil ended up more focused in European affairs. Despite his Eastern orientation, however, John was no slouch in Europe either and annexed Bulgaria. John also, as a last great act for his Roman subjects, posthumously bequeathed his personal fortune to the poor and sick.
by Nea Byzantia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:51 am
by Senkaku » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:52 am
Nea Byzantia wrote:John Tzimiskes (Nikephoros' nephew, if I'm not mistaken) and several other aristocratic conspirators snuck into the Imperial Bedchamber on the night of December 11th, 969, and stabbed the sovereign to death.
by Conserative Morality » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:54 am
Senkaku wrote:nothing like a well-established mechanism for the transfer of power that gives political actors incentives to behave well amirite lol
by Senkaku » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:01 am
Conserative Morality wrote:Senkaku wrote:nothing like a well-established mechanism for the transfer of power that gives political actors incentives to behave well amirite lol
This is why you need the approval of the SENATE and the LEGIONS, not of court castrati who are a violation of Roman law to begin with and bureaucrats who should be peregrini and freedmen by all rights, smh.
by Nea Byzantia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:02 am
Conserative Morality wrote:Senkaku wrote:nothing like a well-established mechanism for the transfer of power that gives political actors incentives to behave well amirite lol
This is why you need the approval of the SENATE and the LEGIONS, not of court castrati who are a violation of Roman law to begin with and bureaucrats who should be peregrini and freedmen by all rights, smh.
by Senkaku » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:04 am
Nea Byzantia wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:This is why you need the approval of the SENATE and the LEGIONS, not of court castrati who are a violation of Roman law to begin with and bureaucrats who should be peregrini and freedmen by all rights, smh.
The Eastern Roman Empire DID have a Senate; but it was essentially just a formality by the 10th century; a continuation of the sycophantic and spineless Institution of the Principate days. Real political power lay with the Military and the approval of the Church. These types of palace coups rarely worked out well. Empress Theophano was exiled shortly after the events of December 11th (the Patriarch of Constantinople refused to crown John Tzimiskes as Emperor if he didn't banish the Scarlet Empress), and as for the eunuch Basil Lekapenos, Emperor Basil II (ruled: 976 AD - 1025 AD) had him deposed and blinded in 980. He was the first of the powerful Oligarchs - or Dynatoi to fall to Basil's purges. He wouldn't be the last.
by Totally Not OEP » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:06 am
Senkaku wrote:Nea Byzantia wrote:The Eastern Roman Empire DID have a Senate; but it was essentially just a formality by the 10th century; a continuation of the sycophantic and spineless Institution of the Principate days. Real political power lay with the Military and the approval of the Church. These types of palace coups rarely worked out well. Empress Theophano was exiled shortly after the events of December 11th (the Patriarch of Constantinople refused to crown John Tzimiskes as Emperor if he didn't banish the Scarlet Empress), and as for the eunuch Basil Lekapenos, Emperor Basil II (ruled: 976 AD - 1025 AD) had him deposed and blinded in 980. He was the first of the powerful Oligarchs - or Dynatoi to fall to Basil's purges. He wouldn't be the last.
While this does all sound like great novel material, purges and palace coups leading to exiles and blindings and such are not usually a sign of a particularly effective or desirable political system lol
by Nea Byzantia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:11 am
Senkaku wrote:Nea Byzantia wrote:The Eastern Roman Empire DID have a Senate; but it was essentially just a formality by the 10th century; a continuation of the sycophantic and spineless Institution of the Principate days. Real political power lay with the Military and the approval of the Church. These types of palace coups rarely worked out well. Empress Theophano was exiled shortly after the events of December 11th (the Patriarch of Constantinople refused to crown John Tzimiskes as Emperor if he didn't banish the Scarlet Empress), and as for the eunuch Basil Lekapenos, Emperor Basil II (ruled: 976 AD - 1025 AD) had him deposed and blinded in 980. He was the first of the powerful Oligarchs - or Dynatoi to fall to Basil's purges. He wouldn't be the last.
While this does all sound like great novel material, purges and palace coups leading to exiles and blindings and such are not usually a sign of a particularly effective or desirable political system lol
by Torrocca » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:18 am
Totally Not OEP wrote:Torrocca wrote:
On the one hand, a stupid statement like, "lol commies all bad xD," does fall under the "all X are Y" rule. On the other... I don't think it's that meriting of an unofficial warning for a trivial one-off, especially when compared to all the much worse rulebreaking shit. On the third, and semi-unrelated to those two hands, I'd believe your statements of respect were more genuine if you referred to me as I prefer being referred to on here.
To what are you referring to?
by Conserative Morality » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:25 am
Senkaku wrote:
legion who? i don't know her, in THIS house the military is the servant of the state >:|
Nea Byzantia wrote:The Eastern Roman Empire DID have a Senate; but it was essentially just a formality by the 10th century; a continuation of the sycophantic and spineless Institution of the Principate days.
by Proctopeo » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:27 am
Torrocca wrote:Totally Not OEP wrote:
To what are you referring to?
I mean, how many times has it been that you've referred to me as Tor (a fucking browsing system) since I came out as trans, or Torrocca when literally next to nobody ever uses full nation names on this site?
That's what I'm talking about. I don't think these statements of respect are genuine because of that. But whatever.
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