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by Novus America » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:30 pm
by Novus America » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:31 pm
by Totally Not OEP » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:34 pm
Diopolis wrote:Assuming technological development occurs at the same rate, slavery becomes economically non-viable in the 1930's or 40's.
That's, in fairness, something completely true but which we don't like to think about- as the slave population "whitens" from the degenerate behavior of the masters, public opposition to slavery grows. It's not inconceivable that the confederacy opts for gradual emancipation based on skin color, especially when demand for slavery drops like a rock due to cotton harvesters.
by Novus America » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:38 pm
Totally Not OEP wrote:Diopolis wrote:Assuming technological development occurs at the same rate, slavery becomes economically non-viable in the 1930's or 40's.
1920s, I think, is the latest; Fordism emerged for a reason.That's, in fairness, something completely true but which we don't like to think about- as the slave population "whitens" from the degenerate behavior of the masters, public opposition to slavery grows. It's not inconceivable that the confederacy opts for gradual emancipation based on skin color, especially when demand for slavery drops like a rock due to cotton harvesters.
Economics and cultural beliefs intertwined can produce the needed changes. I'd imagine cotton will begin to fade by the 1880s and will then become majority focused on industry, as that field already contained 5% of the slave population in the 1860s.
by Totally Not OEP » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:02 pm
Novus America wrote:Totally Not OEP wrote:
1920s, I think, is the latest; Fordism emerged for a reason.
Economics and cultural beliefs intertwined can produce the needed changes. I'd imagine cotton will begin to fade by the 1880s and will then become majority focused on industry, as that field already contained 5% of the slave population in the 1860s.
So why did the Southern slave owners refuse to negotiate?
Lincoln never called for a complete ban on slavery immediately before the war.
The vast majority of Northern abolitionists were willing to negotiate a slow and gradual tradition.
But the South went to war before Lincoln ever took office.
Lincoln won fair and square according to a system largely created by the South for the South.
A system states in the South agreed to.
by Novus America » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:08 pm
Totally Not OEP wrote:Novus America wrote:
So why did the Southern slave owners refuse to negotiate?
Lincoln never called for a complete ban on slavery immediately before the war.
The vast majority of Northern abolitionists were willing to negotiate a slow and gradual tradition.
But the South went to war before Lincoln ever took office.
Lincoln won fair and square according to a system largely created by the South for the South.
A system states in the South agreed to.
Because the economic and cultural situation of 1860 was far different from our hypothetical 1920.
by Totally Not OEP » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:01 pm
by Communist Zombie Horde » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:29 pm
by Novus America » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:35 pm
by Farnhamia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:05 pm
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by Hanafuridake » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:10 pm
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Totally Not OEP » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:16 pm
Hanafuridake wrote:Imperator: Rome has made me wonder how history would have been changed had the Mauryans conquered further west and possibly reached Europe and North Africa, especially the cultural and religious implications. I could see something similar to the Greek Kingdoms, with Roman, Germanic, and Egyptian deities being incorporated into Buddhist sects as protector spirits and avatars. I'm not entirely sure how the Jews would have reacted or how Ashoka would have regarded them, since there wasn't a monotheistic school of thought in India at the time period.
by Conserative Morality » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:22 pm
Hanafuridake wrote:Imperator: Rome has made me wonder how history would have been changed had the Mauryans conquered further west and possibly reached Europe and North Africa, especially the cultural and religious implications. I could see something similar to the Greek Kingdoms, with Roman, Germanic, and Egyptian deities being incorporated into Buddhist sects as protector spirits and avatars. I'm not entirely sure how the Jews would have reacted or how Ashoka would have regarded them, since there wasn't a monotheistic school of thought in India at the time period.
by Duhon » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:27 pm
Hanafuridake wrote:Imperator: Rome has made me wonder how history would have been changed had the Mauryans conquered further west and possibly reached Europe and North Africa, especially the cultural and religious implications. I could see something similar to the Greek Kingdoms, with Roman, Germanic, and Egyptian deities being incorporated into Buddhist sects as protector spirits and avatars. I'm not entirely sure how the Jews would have reacted or how Ashoka would have regarded them, since there wasn't a monotheistic school of thought in India at the time period.
by Hanafuridake » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:30 pm
Totally Not OEP wrote:Hanafuridake wrote:Imperator: Rome has made me wonder how history would have been changed had the Mauryans conquered further west and possibly reached Europe and North Africa, especially the cultural and religious implications. I could see something similar to the Greek Kingdoms, with Roman, Germanic, and Egyptian deities being incorporated into Buddhist sects as protector spirits and avatars. I'm not entirely sure how the Jews would have reacted or how Ashoka would have regarded them, since there wasn't a monotheistic school of thought in India at the time period.
I really do not believe it was possible for the Mauryans to conquer that far West. Historically, the tendency has been it is a lot easier for MENA entities to project power to the East than vice versa, probably as a result of the inherent geography of the respective regions. Still, as a counter-factual, it's certainly interesting; what's got you on the Indian vibe lately, by the way?
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:52 pm
Totally Not OEP wrote:Farnhamia wrote:*looms ominously* Please don't state or even imply that a whole group of other people are bad. Thank you.
I'm convinced at this point you lot are making an effort to prove to us your ability to make fuck ups is limitless.
You've now essentially opened the biggest can of worms that can be on a discussion forum: that there are no such thing as bad ideas or groups that can be criticized. The life blood of a forum is the ability of the membership therein to debate the merits of such ideas and their adherents as compared to their opposites. By one swift stroke, you've now killed that; by your logic, Torrocca for example, someone I heartily disagree with on many things but respect their right to do so, could be banned for their previously stated opinion that all Nazis are evil. I myself have often stated my utter disdain for Communists, like the poster in question that you've responded to. You've essentially placed us all in the position that any sort of meaningful dialogue is impossible, because if you cannot even imply groups of people are bad, you've made it impossible to even argue for the rightfulness of your own ideas.
This is a dangerous precedent to set and only makes your alleged position as impartial overseers even more of a farce than it already was.
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by Totally Not OEP » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:00 am
Hanafuridake wrote:You're right that it's probably impossible, I proposed the idea out of sociological fascination rather than actual martial or geographical viability.
by Hanafuridake » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:09 am
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Torrocca » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:03 am
Totally Not OEP wrote:Farnhamia wrote:*looms ominously* Please don't state or even imply that a whole group of other people are bad. Thank you.
I'm convinced at this point you lot are making an effort to prove to us your ability to make fuck ups is limitless.
You've now essentially opened the biggest can of worms that can be on a discussion forum: that there are no such thing as bad ideas or groups that can be criticized. The life blood of a forum is the ability of the membership therein to debate the merits of such ideas and their adherents as compared to their opposites. By one swift stroke, you've now killed that; by your logic, Torrocca for example, someone I heartily disagree with on many things but respect their right to do so, could be banned for their previously stated opinion that all Nazis are evil. I myself have often stated my utter disdain for Communists, like the poster in question that you've responded to. You've essentially placed us all in the position that any sort of meaningful dialogue is impossible, because if you cannot even imply groups of people are bad, you've made it impossible to even argue for the rightfulness of your own ideas.
This is a dangerous precedent to set and only makes your alleged position as impartial overseers even more of a farce than it already was.
by Totally Not OEP » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:54 am
Torrocca wrote:Totally Not OEP wrote:
I'm convinced at this point you lot are making an effort to prove to us your ability to make fuck ups is limitless.
You've now essentially opened the biggest can of worms that can be on a discussion forum: that there are no such thing as bad ideas or groups that can be criticized. The life blood of a forum is the ability of the membership therein to debate the merits of such ideas and their adherents as compared to their opposites. By one swift stroke, you've now killed that; by your logic, Torrocca for example, someone I heartily disagree with on many things but respect their right to do so, could be banned for their previously stated opinion that all Nazis are evil. I myself have often stated my utter disdain for Communists, like the poster in question that you've responded to. You've essentially placed us all in the position that any sort of meaningful dialogue is impossible, because if you cannot even imply groups of people are bad, you've made it impossible to even argue for the rightfulness of your own ideas.
This is a dangerous precedent to set and only makes your alleged position as impartial overseers even more of a farce than it already was.
On the one hand, a stupid statement like, "lol commies all bad xD," does fall under the "all X are Y" rule. On the other... I don't think it's that meriting of an unofficial warning for a trivial one-off, especially when compared to all the much worse rulebreaking shit. On the third, and semi-unrelated to those two hands, I'd believe your statements of respect were more genuine if you referred to me as I prefer being referred to on here.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:02 am
Totally Not OEP wrote:Torrocca wrote:
On the one hand, a stupid statement like, "lol commies all bad xD," does fall under the "all X are Y" rule. On the other... I don't think it's that meriting of an unofficial warning for a trivial one-off, especially when compared to all the much worse rulebreaking shit. On the third, and semi-unrelated to those two hands, I'd believe your statements of respect were more genuine if you referred to me as I prefer being referred to on here.
To what are you referring to?
by Totally Not OEP » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:44 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:47 am
by Novus America » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:24 am
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