Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Conserative Morality]

It is the Yankee's burden to civilize the Appalachian barbarians. :^)

We were good boys, once. =^(

[Torrocca]

Appalachia cuts deep through 'Bama, so I have it on good authority to assume there were some Appalachians at Little Round Top as well. You can retract your statement at any point here. :^)

Alright, first, that's a map the Federal Government drew up during the 1960s as part of the War on Poverty based on self reporting by Governors; academics don't accept it as a valid map of Appalachia. I think that should be obvious from the fact counties in West Tennessee and Philadelphia suburbs are included in it, but that's besides the point.

I'm sure you'll show the class your much more accurate map any day now, then. :^)

For your point in particular, the 15th Alabama was drawn from the Southeastern areas of the State. You really should stop now before you embarrass yourself further.

The 4th, 44th, 47th, and 48th Alabama (all part of Law's Brigade) also fought at Little Round Top, and they drew from all across Alabama, so your point's still moot.

Should've quit before you played your entire hand. :^)

[Torrocca]

Don't mess with hill people is the lesson here.

The high ground really is relevant IRL.

Unless you're Hitlerjungend and WWI veterans, then suddenly it's utterly irrelevant so that OEP can wank to "Aryan supremacy".

[Totally Not OEP]

So you don't understand how academic review is conducted? I'm not surprised. The article in question starts out by addressing the myth at was conjured Post-War by previous academics and such, and then immediately on the second pages begin breaking them down by citing primary documents.

Here meaning "Addressing a strawman by citing postwar fiction"

It's funny to see you flail about in an attempt to defend your source, but I guess if I was a Lost Causer, I'd be hard up for any actual data that supported my views too. =^)

Again, not at all and I think everyone that reads the article in question can tell that. He quotes where the myth originated and then immediately begins citing data that dispels it. As I said, it's woefully obvious you don't understand how citations work or academic review is carried out. That you've yet to ask for book chapters or provide any sources of your own really shows how pathetically weak your position is.

[Yusseria]

The high ground really is relevant IRL.

Unless you're Hitlerjungend and WWI veterans, then suddenly it's utterly irrelevant so that OEP can wank to "Aryan supremacy".

You gonna just continually strawman him as a white supremacist? Give it a rest.

[Torrocca]

Unless you're Hitlerjungend and WWI veterans, then suddenly it's utterly irrelevant so that OEP can wank to "Aryan supremacy".

You gonna just continually strawman him as a white supremacist? Give it a rest.

It's not a strawman if the man himself thinks boys and old men killing people from a defensive position with a massive terrain advantage can only be summed up to Aryan superiority which is exactly what he does think.

[Conserative Morality]

Again, not at all and I think everyone that reads the article in question can tell that. He quotes where the myth originated and then immediately begins citing data that dispels it.

You keep insisting that postwar fiction is 'data', but in this context, it's really not. I'd say nice try, but really, your parroting is getting a little grating at this point, tbqh.

As I said, it's woefully obvious you don't understand how citations work or academic review is carried out.

Oh, yes, citing fiction makes it data, I forgot. Quality Lost Causer discourse again!

That you've yet to ask for book chapters or provide any sources of your own really shows how pathetically weak your position is.

That would imply I'm taking your WN piss seriously. This very conversation has been had before in the RWDT, with far better debate opponents, and the actual information has already been laid out. I'm just here to mock your weak position, not repeat myself endlessly like some half-wit.

Also, why would I ask for book chapters about citations in an article discussing fiction if I want to discuss, you know, reality? That thing Lost Causers have a tenuous relationship with; familiar with it at all?

[Yusseria]

You gonna just continually strawman him as a white supremacist? Give it a rest.

It's not a strawman if the man himself thinks boys and old men killing people from a defensive position with a massive terrain advantage can only be summed up to Aryan superiority which is exactly what he does think.

Then quote him saying Aryan superiority was behind it lol

[Totally Not OEP]

The 4th, 44th, 47th, and 48th Alabama (all part of Law's Brigade) also fought at Little Round Top, and they drew from all across Alabama, so your point's still moot.

Should've quit before you played your entire hand. :^)

The 4th Alabama was organized in Dalton, Georgia.

The 44th was organized in Selma, Alabama.

The 47th Alabama was organized at Loachapoka.

The 48th Alabama was organized at Auburn.

None of these are Appalachian locations in Alabama, so it's time to admit you were wrong.

[Torrocca]

It's not a strawman if the man himself thinks boys and old men killing people from a defensive position with a massive terrain advantage can only be summed up to Aryan superiority which is exactly what he does think.

Then quote him saying Aryan superiority was behind it lol

Have a snippet of a quote that reeks of praising Aryan supremacy, sans outright calling it exactly that:

And as I and others have continuously pointed out, relying on the terrain to explain away Seelowe Heights is not only laughable but also not supported by the academic literature on the matter. The Soviets had experience in combat crossings going all the way back to 1941 when they crossed the Kerch Straits for actions in Crimea. By early 1945, they had well trained and stocked combat engineer elements for exactly this kind of work, months of preparations to get ready for this action, and finally complete command of the air and an overwhelming artillery advantage to suppress the German defenses.

Said Germans, despite lacking in engineers to make proper defenses, were able to masterfully construct a plan and then put it into effect using young boys and old men to slaughter the Soviets in a battle. No amount of blaming the terrain takes away from the fact the Germans even at the end were giving the Soviets a damn good fight throughout the course of 1945.

[Torrocca]

The 4th, 44th, 47th, and 48th Alabama (all part of Law's Brigade) also fought at Little Round Top, and they drew from all across Alabama, so your point's still moot.

Should've quit before you played your entire hand. :^)

The 4th Alabama was organized in Dalton, Georgia.

The 44th was organized in Selma, Alabama.

The 47th Alabama was organized at Loachapoka.

The 48th Alabama was organized at Auburn.

None of these are Appalachian locations in Alabama, so it's time to admit you were wrong.

>TFW it's utterly impossible for a northern Alabaman to have joined any one of those regiments

10/10

[Conserative Morality]

The 4th Alabama was organized in Dalton, Georgia.

The 44th was organized in Selma, Alabama.

The 47th Alabama was organized at Loachapoka.

The 48th Alabama was organized at Auburn.

None of these are Appalachian locations in Alabama, so it's time to admit you were wrong.

>TFW it's utterly impossible for a northern Alabaman to have joined any one of those regiments

10/10

Daily reminder that the 1st Maryland Regiment in the Revolutionary War was organized at Baltimore, and so accordingly was recruited from Baltimore instead of from all over the state, because that's what organizing means when you have no grasp of how mobilization of units in wartime works.

[Totally Not OEP]

You keep insisting that postwar fiction is 'data', but in this context, it's really not. I'd say nice try, but really, your parroting is getting a little grating at this point, tbqh.

Uh, no one but you has said that. You've literally constructed a strawman.

Oh, yes, citing fiction makes it data, I forgot. Quality Lost Causer discourse again!

Again, this is a strawman.

That would imply I'm taking your WN piss seriously. This very conversation has been had before in the RWDT, with far better debate opponents, and the actual information has already been laid out. I'm just here to mock your weak position, not repeat myself endlessly like some half-wit.

I think it's obvious from the fact you're still engaging me that what you're saying here is not the case, you literally just have nothing to respond with. If this argument has been had before, you would readily have access to that information to repost. Instead, despite me having already asked once for you to provide citations, you've evaded.

I believe the expression is put up or shut up, so now's the time to dance, dear.

Also, why would I ask for book chapters about citations in an article discussing fiction if I want to discuss, you know, reality? That thing Lost Causers have a tenuous relationship with; familiar with it at all?

So either you suffer from amnesia or you really are just that bad of a liar. I provided three citations, two articles and then an entire book; either you don't understand how an article works (it doesn't have chapters) or you know you're beat and just too pathologically incapable of admitting it.

Telling that you have to dip back so far to find sources that support your poisoned outlook. Tell me, does it also discuss how the slaves had it coming and how reconstruction was the tyranny of the freedmen over the Good Honest White Man?

Would you prefer Toward the Myth of Unionist Appalachia, 1865-1883 by Kenneth W. Noe, Journal of the Appalachian Studies Association, Vol. 6, APPALACHIAN ADAPTATIONS TO A CHANGING WORLD (1994), pp. 73-80? Or Reconstructing Appalachia: The Civil War's Aftermath?

Should've stopped while you had the chance, CM. Very public L for you here.

[Yusseria]

Then quote him saying Aryan superiority was behind it lol

Have a snippet of a quote that reeks of praising Aryan supremacy, sans outright calling it exactly that:

And as I and others have continuously pointed out, relying on the terrain to explain away Seelowe Heights is not only laughable but also not supported by the academic literature on the matter. The Soviets had experience in combat crossings going all the way back to 1941 when they crossed the Kerch Straits for actions in Crimea. By early 1945, they had well trained and stocked combat engineer elements for exactly this kind of work, months of preparations to get ready for this action, and finally complete command of the air and an overwhelming artillery advantage to suppress the German defenses.

Said Germans, despite lacking in engineers to make proper defenses, were able to masterfully construct a plan and then put it into effect using young boys and old men to slaughter the Soviets in a battle. No amount of blaming the terrain takes away from the fact the Germans even at the end were giving the Soviets a damn good fight throughout the course of 1945.

That's not him saying or even implying it was due to Aryan Supermacy lol he's saying the Germans were simply able to give the Soviets a good fight even at the end. You're reaching quite a bit. Like, you're reaching miles.

[Totally Not OEP]

The 4th Alabama was organized in Dalton, Georgia.

The 44th was organized in Selma, Alabama.

The 47th Alabama was organized at Loachapoka.

The 48th Alabama was organized at Auburn.

None of these are Appalachian locations in Alabama, so it's time to admit you were wrong.

>TFW it's utterly impossible for a northern Alabaman to have joined any one of those regiments

10/10

Regiments in the Civil War were organized in their local area, that's how the mobilization system worked. Unless you can find records that indicate otherwise, quite clearly none of the regiments involved came from Appalachian Alabama, so it's time to admit you were wrong.

[Torrocca]

>TFW it's utterly impossible for a northern Alabaman to have joined any one of those regiments

10/10

Daily reminder that the 1st Maryland Regiment in the Revolutionary War was organized at Baltimore, and so accordingly was recruited from Baltimore instead of from all over the state, because that's what organizing means when you have no grasp of how mobilization of units in wartime works.

Just like how the Big Red One is currently organized in Fort Riley, Kansas, which means they only recruit from the immediate area. :^3

Have a snippet of a quote that reeks of praising Aryan supremacy, sans outright calling it exactly that:

That's not him saying or even implying it was due to Aryan Supermacy lol he's saying the Germans were simply able to give the Soviets a good fight even at the end. You're reaching quite a bit. Like, you're reaching miles.

Sure it is. He's completely acting like terrain's a non-issue to say, "lolol these aryan oldies and youngin's were able to just best the Soviets no problemo lmao".

[Totally Not OEP]

Then quote him saying Aryan superiority was behind it lol

Have a snippet of a quote that reeks of praising Aryan supremacy, sans outright calling it exactly that:

And as I and others have continuously pointed out, relying on the terrain to explain away Seelowe Heights is not only laughable but also not supported by the academic literature on the matter. The Soviets had experience in combat crossings going all the way back to 1941 when they crossed the Kerch Straits for actions in Crimea. By early 1945, they had well trained and stocked combat engineer elements for exactly this kind of work, months of preparations to get ready for this action, and finally complete command of the air and an overwhelming artillery advantage to suppress the German defenses.

Said Germans, despite lacking in engineers to make proper defenses, were able to masterfully construct a plan and then put it into effect using young boys and old men to slaughter the Soviets in a battle. No amount of blaming the terrain takes away from the fact the Germans even at the end were giving the Soviets a damn good fight throughout the course of 1945.

I find it utterly adorable that you'll quote it and attempt a character assassination with it, but you won't actually respond to it because you know you've been beat.

[Yusseria]

Daily reminder that the 1st Maryland Regiment in the Revolutionary War was organized at Baltimore, and so accordingly was recruited from Baltimore instead of from all over the state, because that's what organizing means when you have no grasp of how mobilization of units in wartime works.

Just like how the Big Red One is currently organized in Fort Riley, Kansas, which means they only recruit from the immediate area. :^3

That's not him saying or even implying it was due to Aryan Supermacy lol he's saying the Germans were simply able to give the Soviets a good fight even at the end. You're reaching quite a bit. Like, you're reaching miles.

Sure it is. He's completely acting like terrain's a non-issue to say, "lolol these aryan oldies and youngin's were able to just best the Soviets no problemo lmao".

No, he's saying terrain isn't the only deciding factor in a battle, which is absolutely true.

This image you've created of him over bitter debates of him being a white supremacist really has gotten into your head, hasn't it?

[Conserative Morality]

Uh, no one but you has said that. You've literally constructed a strawman.

You do realize that people can just go back and look at what you've said and the source you posted, right? lol

Again, this is a strawman.

Literally cited in the article you provided, m80. Not my fault you didn't read it.

I think it's blatant obvious from the fact you're still engaging me that's not the case, you literally just have nothing to respond with. If this argument has been had before, you would readily have access to that information to repost. Instead, despite me having already asked once for you to provide citations, you've evaded.

I believe the expression is put up or shut up, so now's the time to dance, dear.

Having ready access to information and being willing to drag it out are two different things. I don't dance with Lost Causers, babygirl.

So either you suffer from amnesia or you really are just that bad of a liar. I provided three citations, two articles and then an entire book; either you don't understand how an article works (it doesn't have chapters) or you know you're beat and just too pathologically incapable of admitting it.

The only article you provided to those of us who no longer have access to JSTOR cites several books (something you would know if you had read it); furthermore, why would I ask for chapter citations for a book I have no access to?

I like the bit where you feel the need to crow your own victory again, and then quote the part where you called your victory several posts ago. It's very amusing, in a sad kind of way, like Lost Causers after the war getting together to blame the negro menace for the sorry state of their region.

[Torrocca]

>TFW it's utterly impossible for a northern Alabaman to have joined any one of those regiments

10/10

Regiments in the Civil War were organized in their local area, that's how the mobilization system worked. Unless you can find records that indicate otherwise, quite clearly none of the regiments involved came from Appalachian Alabama, so it's time to admit you were wrong.

So what you're clearly saying is that the 4th Alabama was comprised entirely of Georgians yet kept the Alabaman name.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'll go with what CM said, that organization =/= mobilization. :^)

Have a snippet of a quote that reeks of praising Aryan supremacy, sans outright calling it exactly that:

I find it utterly adorable that you'll quote it and attempt a character assassination with it, but you won't actually respond to it because you know you've been beat.

Nah, I'm still gonna respond to that accordingly sometime down the road. :^)

[Torrocca]

Just like how the Big Red One is currently organized in Fort Riley, Kansas, which means they only recruit from the immediate area. :^3



Sure it is. He's completely acting like terrain's a non-issue to say, "lolol these aryan oldies and youngin's were able to just best the Soviets no problemo lmao".

No, he's saying terrain isn't the only deciding factor in a battle, which is absolutely true.

Funny how it ain't true for the Nazis but somehow miraculously is for the Appalachian CSA boys he's currently circlejerking about, amirite?

This image you've created of him over bitter debates of him being a white supremacist really has gotten into your head, hasn't it?

Ain't no image to create if he's already providing one. Safe to say that it isn't that easy to pretend you're not a white supremacist if you consistently wank over the idea of the CSA or Nazi Germany. :^)

[Totally Not OEP]

You do realize that people can just go back and look at what you've said and the source you posted, right? lol

...hence why I just quoted myself. You really need new material.

Literally cited in the article you provided, m80. Not my fault you didn't read it.

Then do cite where in the article this occurred. I think it's pretty obvious by now you can only evade, not actually fight.

Having ready access to information and being willing to drag it out are two different things. I don't dance with Lost Causers, babygirl.

So in other words, you've conceded. Thank you, took you long enough.

[Totally Not OEP]

So what you're clearly saying is that the 4th Alabama was comprised entirely of Georgians yet kept the Alabaman name.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'll go with what CM said, that organization =/= mobilization. :^)

Point blank, how were regiments in the Civil War mobilized? In their local area. Either find me a source that supports your position, or it's time to concede.

[Torrocca]

So what you're clearly saying is that the 4th Alabama was comprised entirely of Georgians yet kept the Alabaman name.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'll go with what CM said, that organization =/= mobilization. :^)

Point blank, how were regiments in the Civil War mobilized? In their local area. Either find me a source that supports your position, or it's time to concede.

You're making the claim they mobilized purely from localities. You prove it. :^)

[Conserative Morality]

...hence why I just quoted myself. You really need new material.

Considering the article we are discussing, anyone who takes a look at it will understand my point. Those who have, say, posted the article without reading it, on the other hand, will continue to see it as a strawman, no doubt.

Then do cite where in the article this occurred. I think it's pretty obvious by now you can only evade, not actually fight.

You want me to cite... where the citations page is.

Are you being serious? Because this is rather silly even for a Lost Causer.

So in other words, you've conceded. Thank you, took you long enough.

Unsurprising that there's yet another concept you don't understand.