Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Totally Not OEP]

What is this Praxis?

Supporting land nationalization.

I've literally never heard of this term before, interesting.

[Genivaria]

Supporting land nationalization.

I've literally never heard of this term before, interesting.

I googled and it seems to be some marxist thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxis_intervention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxis_School

[Hanafuridake]

I've literally never heard of this term before, interesting.

I googled and it seems to be some marxist thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxis_intervention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxis_School

This is what I was referring to.

[Northern Davincia]

What is this Praxis?

Supporting land nationalization.

Ewww...

[Totally Not OEP]

Supporting land nationalization.

Ewww...

Part of the problem of modern Libertarianism is that its went so far into the belief of the value of the Corporation that it has failed to see how damaging said corporations can and have become to what they (Libertarians) seek to defend; you cannot have true capitalism with monopolies, and you cannot have it without corporate power being contested to some extent by consumers.

[Northern Davincia]

Ewww...

Part of the problem of modern Libertarianism is that its went so far into the belief of the value of the Corporation that it has failed to see how damaging said corporations can and have become to what they (Libertarians) seek to defend; you cannot have true capitalism with monopolies, and you cannot have it without corporate power being contested to some extent by consumers.

Monopolies are often byproducts of state intervention, either direct or indirect. Besides, some monopolies are beneficial.

[Totally Not OEP]

Part of the problem of modern Libertarianism is that its went so far into the belief of the value of the Corporation that it has failed to see how damaging said corporations can and have become to what they (Libertarians) seek to defend; you cannot have true capitalism with monopolies, and you cannot have it without corporate power being contested to some extent by consumers.

Monopolies are often byproducts of state intervention, either direct or indirect. Besides, some monopolies are beneficial.

Case in point is the example I just provided, that was not a result of the state nor is it beneficial to the region or its inhabitants.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

As a dirty, filthy Commie (technically leaning more toward Socialism nowadays but eh) myself, I'd say Communism is far more so motivated by pain, suffering, and anger than envy and material greed. This is a personal anecdote, of course, so take it as you will, but I'm not motivated to Communism because I want to live the luxurious life of the rich or possess their material, worldly items and entities, like sports cars or businesses; I'm motivated to the ideology because I find it morally detestable that great sums of society are allowed to be left behind and suffer despite the constant overall increases in wealth, technological prosperity, and productive efficiencies created by Capitalism. I don't see Capitalism as a remotely moral system compared to Communism when the former promotes profits and competition to the point of human and environmental detriment over human wellbeing, while the latter promotes cooperation, compassion, and caring for everyone and the world we live on at the expense of efficient markets or vast profits.

Yes, I'll be the first to say that the Soviet Union's Marxism-Leninism or China's Maoism did none of that, but I'm not talking about those authoritarian ideologies that used the label of Communism to try and legitimatize their atrocities in the eyes of leftists. I'm talking about Communism as it actually strives to be, and I'm of the opinion that it strives to be morally virtuous in the name of protecting the health and wellbeing of those left to destitute, downtrodden ways of life by the current system and returning humanity to its roots of strong, supportive, tight-knit communities.

While I definitely think you're well-meaning; and I sympathize with your criticism of Capitalism; and would also love to see a return to tight-knit community life; I have to (respectfully) disagree with you that Communism is the best way "out" from the ravages of Capitalism. Communism is just the other side of the coin; you're substituting slavery to the Corporation for slavery to the State (because the State manages everything and owns everything).

Communism doesn't believe in a state.

That's not actually what communists believe. In fact, abolition of the state is their ultimate goal.

One wouldn't have known that from how every single Communist regime ever has turned out.

That's why you read books about what communism actually teaches.

If anything, Communism actually has the opposite effect; and the State comes to dominate everything.

Then it's not communist.

The only way to discourage hedonism and greed, as well as envy and covetousness is to cultivate virtue in the citizenry; and the best way to do that (in my opinion, as an Orthodox Christian) is via the Church, via Christ. One of the virtues is self-control - that is to say the restraining of the Passions - and that restraining is best achieved via a Monarchy; a King or Emperor who rules by the Grace of God, as Patriarch or Matriarch (if a Queen or Empress reigns) of his or her Nation. When it comes to describing the Monarch's relationship to his or her people, I would say its comparable to the relationship of a Parent to their Child; and I very much like the Chinese term: Mandate of Heaven. I think it perfectly describes the Monarch's role.

Throne and Altar are the two pillars on which a Nation is upheld; everything else is built on the Vices, and will ultimately collapse. Call me "old-fashioned" if you want; call me "anti-Enlightenment", even; I don't care. That's what I am.

If you feel that the church is the best way to encourage morality, then be an advocate for the church, but the church should not be granted direct power in the state or direct power over the way people live their lives.

Yes it should.

A monarch, unless they are a non-executive figurehead, is a horrible idea, to rule by genetic lottery instead of by popular vote or merit.

I don't think average joes who don't know how (geo)politics and ruling a country works are really fit to choose a leader.

The voice of the people is not the voice of God. God is perfectly good, just, and merciful; the people are flawed, unjust, and vindictive. When asked to choose between Jesus and Barabbas, the people chose Barabbas time and time again.

And I'm pretty sure a hot take is supposed to be controversial, not bleating the opinion of the flock.

I mean, I was under the impression that democratic means of political decision making are a controversial topic, at least within this circle of madness reasoned discourse that we refer to as the RWDT.

As to the monarchy vs. republicanism argument, perhaps a compromise shall be in order? An elected constitutional monarch (chosen by the upper house of the legislature) could serve a life term as executive. Such a system seems sensible to me, at least.

A monarch held by Shari'ah would be pretty gucci.
So basically a sulTaan.

[Citation Needed]

That is hardly a good thing.

The average IQ is 100. That's pretty high, and it only increases.

How so?

IQ is a terrible measure of intelligence.

IQ is a terrible metric, though, NGL. Test-taking abilities don't correlate with intelligence as a broad idea.

What if those tests are designed to test intelligence?

There's no concrete, accurate way of testing intelligence.

Precisely.

And this is where we seem to have an (as of right now) irreconcilable difference in perspective; I find the concept of divinely-ordained bloodlines to be akin to the Creator "playing favorites", which I find to be contrary to my current knowledge of the Creator's nature (namely, that the Creator is rather non-interventionist).

On what basis do you say that Allah SWT is non-interventionist?

Or how bout simply a different religion.
What reason does a British Muslim have to show any loyalty to the British monarchy by this logic?

That's mostly what I was talking about - a British Muslim or Hindu or atheist has no reason to follow an Anglican mandate, since as far as they're concerned, that god doesn't exist.

Incorrect. Muslims, Christians and Jews belive in the same God SWT.

The zealous among them might protest the idea that the state's theological ideas should take precedence over theirs. And that's true of any religion, be it Catholicism, paganism, Buddhism, Rastafarianism, Pastafarianism, or any of the other religions humanity has created, since absolutely none of them have been able to definitively prove that their mandate is worth any more than that of the others.

This is also not true.

There shouldn't be any British Muslims. Muslims resident in the UK are guests, and ought to respect the customs and laws of their hosts just as an Englishman would be expected to respect the customs and laws of a Muslim society should he travel to one. They certainly shouldn't be permitted to vote or hold public office.

1: Sheesh I mean I kinda sorta agree with "They certainly shouldn't be permitted to vote or hold public office" but still, sheesh
2: Actually Al-Islam shouldn't be forced on non-Muslims. If a non-Muslim Englishman wants to be a non-Muslim they can and should be allowed to do so.

Or how bout simply a different religion.
What reason does a British Muslim have to show any loyalty to the British monarchy by this logic?

The same reason he'd show loyalty to any law of the nation he's living in, I presume. Civic courtesy.

Civic courtesy gets thrown out the window when the kufr state steps on my Muslim toes.

Courtesy is not loyalty.

Indeed. However, it is courteous to be loyal to the nation you're living in, especially if you weren't born there.

Shouldn't people born there be more responsible to be loyal to their nation?

[Jolthig]

As many of you know, I'm an Appalachian and this semester I decided to take a class on Appalachian history. In the process of that, I've learned of the Appalachian Land Ownership Survey and that's made me in favor of land nationalizations; corporations/absentee owners and the Federal Government own 50% of the land in the region, strangling development and using said ownership to control taxation policies that prevent local communities from developing the fiscal capacity needed for development in the first place.

Interesting.

[Yusseria]

As many of you know, I'm an Appalachian and this semester I decided to take a class on Appalachian history. In the process of that, I've learned of the Appalachian Land Ownership Survey and that's made me in favor of land nationalizations; corporations/absentee owners and the Federal Government own 50% of the land in the region, strangling development and using said ownership to control taxation policies that prevent local communities from developing the fiscal capacity needed for development in the first place.

Are Appalachians really even Americans, though?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Communism doesn't believe in a state.

It de jure doesn't, but de facto does.

[Novus America]

Ewww...

Part of the problem of modern Libertarianism is that its went so far into the belief of the value of the Corporation that it has failed to see how damaging said corporations can and have become to what they (Libertarians) seek to defend; you cannot have true capitalism with monopolies, and you cannot have it without corporate power being contested to some extent by consumers.

Eminent Domain is allowed under US law. The local government can take over privately owned land so long as it fairly compensates the owners.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent ... ted_States

So it would be legal for the states to redistribute some lands for the benefit of the community so long as the owners are compensated.

This is actually common practice, and often done, usually but not exclusively for infrastructure like highways.

[Tinhampton]

Happy 43rd-and-a-half birthday to me (that's Tinhampton if you're on the internet and Lydia if you're in the real world). w00t. The world makes a lot less sense than it did in Autumn 1975... understandably, given that we are very far from the detente of yore.

Outside of history departments, leftist circles, and their home countries, the achievements of history's great liberators - L'Ouverture, Bolivar, Garibaldi, Ataturk - have been largely and sadly forgotten. Meanwhile, Greta Thunberg's 80% attendance record at school is lionised, the reasoning behind how it got so bad in the first place deployed as a pass to speak in front of the world's most important people... or at least traditional metrics would have it. The Campaign for a Smarter Britain - the people that trot out those adverts with Lecky and Gaz in them in order to get us using smart meters - are now promoting their pet innovation as the real first step towards combatting climate change, by contrast.

Time Magazine now considers Ariana Grande, Alex Morgan, and Gayle King to be three of the world's most one hundred influential people in MMXIX, in no particular order (so is Chrissy Teigen, but she called Laura Ingraham, the latest sacrificial lamb of the long-running Social Justice War, a "corny monster" for questioning that). Surprising? Want more? David Hogg, another of the great young movers and shakers of recent times, was turned down from Caltech but accepted into Harvard. Even Dogu Perincek's lawyers (never heard of him before?) could defeat Amal Clooney's arguments in the courts over there; HM Government in Londinium now expects her to act as a Special Envoy for those journalists being threatened by the true enemies of freedom, not the make-believe ones that can't even get 1% of Turkey onside.

Pope John XXIII and Vatican II both defended the Latin Mass - but not today's Church. Expressing support for far-right parties that nobody cares about can now get you removed from the Book of Faces. Nicolas Maduro's social media approval badges have just vanished and then reappeared on Juan Guaido's. "Everyday Feminism" is running articles entitled "Why Polyamory Is More Difficult When You're Disabled." One Grauniad journalist has expressed concern at the content of Houellebecq's novels - despite refusing to read beyond his first one. Extinction Rebellion, an organisation that primarily exists to get its supporters arrested, has greatly annoyed 500,000 citizens in the process, supported by celebrities flying in from halfway across the world.

The horror of the Social Justice War, and all its sister battles, is well-documented. Questions to research: Why did NFL hot tip Nick Bosa recently admit to feling duty-bound to vaporise many of his political tweets? Which Democrat proposed Amendment 1 to Illinois House Bill 96, and what will it entail? What role did Lydia Koniordou (hint: she is not the person that runs Tinhampton on NationStates) hold until recently, and what does she want Britain to return? What did her nation's parliament recently vote for Germany to return? Name me one Italian citizen that was given the opportunity to vote for Prime Minister Conte's (not the former Chelsea manager) ticket? Why was Child and Sports-Winter removed from the Percy Julian Middle School's dinner hall?

You could have prevented this from happening. The conductors of the Trump Train are entirely justified in their Clown World meme.

Honk honk.

[Conserative Morality]

Happy 43rd-and-a-half birthday to me (that's Tinhampton if you're on the internet and Lydia if you're in the real world). w00t. The world makes a lot less sense than it did in Autumn 1975... understandably, given that we are very far from the detente of yore.

Outside of history departments, leftist circles, and their home countries, the achievements of history's great liberators - L'Ouverture, Bolivar, Garibaldi, Ataturk - have been largely and sadly forgotten. Meanwhile, Greta Thunberg's 80% attendance record at school is lionised, the reasoning behind how it got so bad in the first place deployed as a pass to speak in front of the world's most important people... or at least traditional metrics would have it. The Campaign for a Smarter Britain - the people that trot out those adverts with Lecky and Gaz in them in order to get us using smart meters - are now promoting their pet innovation as the real first step towards combatting climate change, by contrast.

Time Magazine now considers Ariana Grande, Alex Morgan, and Gayle King to be three of the world's most one hundred influential people in MMXIX, in no particular order (so is Chrissy Teigen, but she called Laura Ingraham, the latest sacrificial lamb of the long-running Social Justice War, a "corny monster" for questioning that). Surprising? Want more? David Hogg, another of the great young movers and shakers of recent times, was turned down from Caltech but accepted into Harvard. Even Dogu Perincek's lawyers (never heard of him before?) could defeat Amal Clooney's arguments in the courts over there; HM Government in Londinium now expects her to act as a Special Envoy for those journalists being threatened by the true enemies of freedom, not the make-believe ones that can't even get 1% of Turkey onside.

Pope John XXIII and Vatican II both defended the Latin Mass - but not today's Church. Expressing support for far-right parties that nobody cares about can now get you removed from the Book of Faces. Nicolas Maduro's social media approval badges have just vanished and then reappeared on Juan Guaido's. "Everyday Feminism" is running articles entitled "Why Polyamory Is More Difficult When You're Disabled." One Grauniad journalist has expressed concern at the content of Houellebecq's novels - despite refusing to read beyond his first one. Extinction Rebellion, an organisation that primarily exists to get its supporters arrested, has greatly annoyed 500,000 citizens in the process, supported by celebrities flying in from halfway across the world.

The horror of the Social Justice War, and all its sister battles, is well-documented. Questions to research: Why did NFL hot tip Nick Bosa recently admit to feling duty-bound to vaporise many of his political tweets? Which Democrat proposed Amendment 1 to Illinois House Bill 96, and what will it entail? What role did Lydia Koniordou (hint: she is not the person that runs Tinhampton on NationStates) hold until recently, and what does she want Britain to return? What did her nation's parliament recently vote for Germany to return? Name me one Italian citizen that was given the opportunity to vote for Prime Minister Conte's (not the former Chelsea manager) ticket? Why was Child and Sports-Winter removed from the Percy Julian Middle School's dinner hall?

You could have prevented this from happening. The conductors of the Trump Train are entirely justified in their Clown World meme.

What the fuck did I just read

[Beggnig]

Pope John XXIII and Vatican II both defended the Latin Mass - but not today's Church. ...
Honk honk.

The worst part, there's literally no way to fix it in the Roman Catholic world because IIRC the magisterium established that it is impossible for the Roman patriarch to give out defective rites as part of their response to the Jansenists, who wanted to conduct the Tridentine Mass in the vernacular.

So even if the next Bishop of Rome was a complete "TradCath" there's no way of putting the Clown Mass genie back into the bottle.
RIP Serious Latin Masses AD ???-1965

[Hanafuridake]

Happy 43rd-and-a-half birthday to me (that's Tinhampton if you're on the internet and Lydia if you're in the real world). w00t. The world makes a lot less sense than it did in Autumn 1975... understandably, given that we are very far from the detente of yore.

Outside of history departments, leftist circles, and their home countries, the achievements of history's great liberators - L'Ouverture, Bolivar, Garibaldi, Ataturk - have been largely and sadly forgotten. Meanwhile, Greta Thunberg's 80% attendance record at school is lionised, the reasoning behind how it got so bad in the first place deployed as a pass to speak in front of the world's most important people... or at least traditional metrics would have it. The Campaign for a Smarter Britain - the people that trot out those adverts with Lecky and Gaz in them in order to get us using smart meters - are now promoting their pet innovation as the real first step towards combatting climate change, by contrast.

Time Magazine now considers Ariana Grande, Alex Morgan, and Gayle King to be three of the world's most one hundred influential people in MMXIX, in no particular order (so is Chrissy Teigen, but she called Laura Ingraham, the latest sacrificial lamb of the long-running Social Justice War, a "corny monster" for questioning that). Surprising? Want more? David Hogg, another of the great young movers and shakers of recent times, was turned down from Caltech but accepted into Harvard. Even Dogu Perincek's lawyers (never heard of him before?) could defeat Amal Clooney's arguments in the courts over there; HM Government in Londinium now expects her to act as a Special Envoy for those journalists being threatened by the true enemies of freedom, not the make-believe ones that can't even get 1% of Turkey onside.

Pope John XXIII and Vatican II both defended the Latin Mass - but not today's Church. Expressing support for far-right parties that nobody cares about can now get you removed from the Book of Faces. Nicolas Maduro's social media approval badges have just vanished and then reappeared on Juan Guaido's. "Everyday Feminism" is running articles entitled "Why Polyamory Is More Difficult When You're Disabled." One Grauniad journalist has expressed concern at the content of Houellebecq's novels - despite refusing to read beyond his first one. Extinction Rebellion, an organisation that primarily exists to get its supporters arrested, has greatly annoyed 500,000 citizens in the process, supported by celebrities flying in from halfway across the world.

The horror of the Social Justice War, and all its sister battles, is well-documented. Questions to research: Why did NFL hot tip Nick Bosa recently admit to feling duty-bound to vaporise many of his political tweets? Which Democrat proposed Amendment 1 to Illinois House Bill 96, and what will it entail? What role did Lydia Koniordou (hint: she is not the person that runs Tinhampton on NationStates) hold until recently, and what does she want Britain to return? What did her nation's parliament recently vote for Germany to return? Name me one Italian citizen that was given the opportunity to vote for Prime Minister Conte's (not the former Chelsea manager) ticket? Why was Child and Sports-Winter removed from the Percy Julian Middle School's dinner hall?

You could have prevented this from happening. The conductors of the Trump Train are entirely justified in their Clown World meme.

What the fuck did I just read

[Germanic Templars]

I googled and it seems to be some marxist thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxis_intervention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxis_School

This is what I was referring to.

Being pharm tech, i understood praxis as the pharmaceutical company.

[Vetalia]

Find proof in the Bible that Jesus used the Apocrypha. The books of the Apocrypha have never been considered canonical in Judaism.

While it's true Jesus never quoted these books directly, Matthew 7:12 and Tobit 4:15 sound pretty similar in theme among several others. Besides that, there was no firm "Jewish canon" of books in the Bible until the Masoretic text came about several centuries after the death of Jesus. If Christ felt these works were not divinely inspired, He certainly would have mentioned that but He never did.

Also, find proof for me that Luther was more knowledgeable than the Council of Nicaea in his decision to exclude these books from the Biblical canon on his own initiative vs. the hundreds in attendance at the Council . The early Church Fathers had access to primary sources and other information that were long lost by the time he revised his Bible 1,200 years later and I trust their judgment regarding the Biblical canon over his.

When you get a chance, find justification for sola scriptura. I'm interested to see that.

[Totally Not OEP]

As many of you know, I'm an Appalachian and this semester I decided to take a class on Appalachian history. In the process of that, I've learned of the Appalachian Land Ownership Survey and that's made me in favor of land nationalizations; corporations/absentee owners and the Federal Government own 50% of the land in the region, strangling development and using said ownership to control taxation policies that prevent local communities from developing the fiscal capacity needed for development in the first place.

Are Appalachians really even Americans, though?

Fun fact: Per capita Appalachians have, at least since the Second World War and beyond, been the highest serving demographic in the armed forces. Lack of statistics makes it hard to tell if this was the case before as well, but it seems likely to have held true since at least the Civil War.

[Totally Not OEP]

Part of the problem of modern Libertarianism is that its went so far into the belief of the value of the Corporation that it has failed to see how damaging said corporations can and have become to what they (Libertarians) seek to defend; you cannot have true capitalism with monopolies, and you cannot have it without corporate power being contested to some extent by consumers.

Eminent Domain is allowed under US law. The local government can take over privately owned land so long as it fairly compensates the owners.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent ... ted_States

So it would be legal for the states to redistribute some lands for the benefit of the community so long as the owners are compensated.

This is actually common practice, and often done, usually but not exclusively for infrastructure like highways.

Eminent Domain isn't a solution; you can't use it on the Federals and paying Corporations with non-existent money (Because said corporations control the tax policies) for land they are already abusing defeats the purpose.

[Salus Maior]

Not immediately, but our national identity has degraded significantly since the Catholic emancipation. In the long run, the loss of confidence in our purpose and identity as a nation, which was once provided by the established church, could well be the end of England- at least the England I know and love.

Daily reminder that England was once devoutly Catholic (well before old Henry decided to get a divorce to get a male heir that he wouldn't get anyway), and that the English Catholic identity is an ancient one based in the foundations of the nation and the Anglo-Saxon, Norman, and English cultural identity and boasts an impressive number of figures in its ranks, such as J.R.R Tolkien and GK Chesterton among various Saints.

Perhaps I could even say that since Henry's schism, the dissolution of the monasteries, and leading England and Britain as a whole into years and decades of inter-religious bloodshed even past his rule that England has indeed degraded as a culture and a nation.

[Salus Maior]

What the fuck did I just read

Also is it just me or is your flag more angry looking?

[Yusseria]

Are Appalachians really even Americans, though?

Fun fact: Per capita Appalachians have, at least since the Second World War and beyond, been the highest serving demographic in the armed forces. Lack of statistics makes it hard to tell if this was the case before as well, but it seems likely to have held true since at least the Civil War.

The Virgin Californian vs the Chad Appalachian

[Totally Not OEP]

Fun fact: Per capita Appalachians have, at least since the Second World War and beyond, been the highest serving demographic in the armed forces. Lack of statistics makes it hard to tell if this was the case before as well, but it seems likely to have held true since at least the Civil War.

The Virgin Californian vs the Chad Appalachian

[Salus Maior]

The Virgin Californian vs the Chad Appalachian

Don't mess with hill people is the lesson here.