Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[AhmadiMuslim1889]

Exactly. I agree with all that you said.

And hence, the enemy themselves take advantage of this by enemy countries, only to themselves become the oppressors.

That's right. And I think we're definitely seeing a Power Shift back towards Eurasia; and like most declining Powers, America is desperately trying to hold on to its power by the edge of its fingers. Hence its aggressive and increasingly arrogant policies. Its a collapsing empire doubling down on its illusion of power.

Indeed. Though, they're also fearful of starting wars with Russia and China, which is why in part, they are building up their militaries; taking advantage of the void left by America.

[Nea Byzantia]

I see your bid and I raise you this:

Not enough, m8. First the Americas, then the World!

*Europe be like...

[AhmadiMuslim1889]

Interestingly enough, those people would completely disagree with you. They dont even agree with the fact we even call ourselves "America" in the first place.

For all intents and purposes, "gringo" is the only appropriate term for US citizens south of the border.

The Germans call us "US Americans".

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

TIL that the fortifications Germany built were enough to stop the Soviets

The only way you got that is if you didn't read what was posted.

Oh no, I read what was posted. Success in one battle does not equate to success in the war, especially since Seelow Heights was less a success and more a lack of abject failure.

[Nea Byzantia]

That's right. And I think we're definitely seeing a Power Shift back towards Eurasia; and like most declining Powers, America is desperately trying to hold on to its power by the edge of its fingers. Hence its aggressive and increasingly arrogant policies. Its a collapsing empire doubling down on its illusion of power.

Indeed. Though, they're also fearful of starting wars with Russia and China, which is why in part, they are building up their militaries; taking advantage of the void left by America.

Russia and China ARE Eurasia...Or at least the biggest chunk of it.

[AhmadiMuslim1889]

Indeed. Though, they're also fearful of starting wars with Russia and China, which is why in part, they are building up their militaries; taking advantage of the void left by America.

Russia and China ARE Eurasia...Or at least the biggest chunk of it.

True.

[Totally Not OEP]

Wasn't even racism; it came down to Calhoun and his faction opposing it on Pro-Slavery grounds, due to concerns the States would become Free instead of Slave when admitted. Oddly enough with that stated, however, "All Mexico" was the one time you united Jefferson Davis and New England Abolitionists on an issue, as "All Mexico was popular in the Trans-Mississippi South and throughout the North.

Had it not been for a racist institution (slavery) there would have been less opposition to it.

Also John C. Calhoun actually opposed it on openly racist grounds as well
“We have never dreamt of incorporating into our Union any but the Caucasian race—the free white race. To incorporate Mexico, would be the very first instance of the kind, of incorporating an Indian race; for more than half of the Mexicans are Indians, and the other is composed chiefly of mixed tribes. I protest against such a union as that! Ours, sir, is the Government of a white race.... We are anxious to force free government on all; and I see that it has been urged ... that it is the mission of this country to spread civil and religious liberty over all the world, and especially over this continent. It is a great mistake.”

It was pretty well understood at the time by everyone Calhoun was attempting to use racism as a tool on the matter, not out of genuine conviction. I seem to recall some Northern newspapers mocking Calhoun for standing on this while "High Yellows" existed on his cohorts plantation.

[Torrocca]

Jesus fuckin' Christ, it's like you have no idea what you're talking about. Of fucking course a well-developed defensive system is going to see a kill ratio in favor of the defenders regardless of who the fuck's running it. You don't need to be a fucking military genius or an elite 720-no-scope professional soldier to accurately fire an AT gun at a tank or a machine gun at infantry trying to cross a deliberately-flooded plain and a river.

As I said, and others likewise pointed out, if old men and boys could construct defenses sufficient to stop a fully mechanized Soviet offensive, complete with tanks, air superiority, better logistics and overwhelming numbers, that's downright embarrassing.

Imagine pretending to have knowledge of military matters and then being completely flabbergasted by the simple fact that a defensive network established on a series of high ground that overlooks a river crossing and a set of deliberately-flooded plains is deadly to infantry and vehicles.

FYI, your Aryan ubermensch would've gotten fucked up just as easily in such a situation.

Whether or not the Germans were in a defensive system is irrelevant to the fact that said defensive system was made by complete amateurs, who then managed to inflict a serious battle upon professionals.

It doesn't take a genius to utilize terrain features like high ground, a river, and flood plains to your advantage, chief.

If the RKKA is the Ubermensch you seem convinced they are, this shouldn't have happened.

Fucking lmao, the only people pretending that anyone were ubermensch are you Wehraboos and your ludicrous circlejerk over the Nazi war machine.

How about the simple fact that the Nazi plan for the USSR basically broke down into, "lolol if we hit Moscow the subhumans will totally give up and then we'll be free to genocide them as we please!!1!" which subsequently went tits over ass in regards to the fierce partisan resistance put up in the rear lines and the fiercer resistance put up on the frontline as soon as the Soviets stabilized the situation?

How about the fact that the moment the Nazis began to be stopped from continuing their offensives or even pushed back, they couldn't fucking recover from no longer being on the offensive and could only send stupidly suicidal and worthless attacks against their enemies, like at Kursk, Bastogne, or the Battle of Britain?

How about the fact that all the Nazis produced for vehicles and weaponry happened to be, except in a few cases, over-engineered bullshit that had the propensity to burst into transmission fires a couple of miles out of the factories and was frequently incapable of being repaired due to constant, constant changes in parts and designs on the assembly lines?

Or how about the fact that the Nazis built a notoriously shitty alliance system that was more detrimental to the war effort than helpful in any given capacity, especially compared to the alliance of the Allies?

Or what about the fact that the Nazis (and thus the Wehrmacht) lost the only war they ever significantly fought? It sure doesn't reflect well for the "most formidable army of the time" if they couldn't even win their only war of note.

I like how you completely failed to defend your original points, and attempted to obfuscate quite badly with showing how little you actually know about the course of the Second World War.

Quite evidently, I know more than you seeing as how you continually circlejerk about the superiority of a military force that couldn't even win the only war it ever truly participated in, one which it had started on its own terms at that.

You're going to have a very fun time in College, Torrocca.

I'm already having that, Totally Not Oil Exporting Peoples.

[Totally Not OEP]

The only way you got that is if you didn't read what was posted.

Oh no, I read what was posted. Success in one battle does not equate to success in the war, especially since Seelow Heights was less a success and more a lack of abject failure.

I'd love for you to quote where this was claimed by anyone.

[Torrocca]

The only way you got that is if you didn't read what was posted.

Oh no, I read what was posted. Success in one battle does not equate to success in the war, especially since Seelow Heights was less a success and more a lack of abject failure.

"Wow, the Nazis used flood plains and a river crossing to their advantage? It's Aryan military superiority in action!!1!"

[Novus America]

Had it not been for a racist institution (slavery) there would have been less opposition to it.

Also John C. Calhoun actually opposed it on openly racist grounds as well
“We have never dreamt of incorporating into our Union any but the Caucasian race—the free white race. To incorporate Mexico, would be the very first instance of the kind, of incorporating an Indian race; for more than half of the Mexicans are Indians, and the other is composed chiefly of mixed tribes. I protest against such a union as that! Ours, sir, is the Government of a white race.... We are anxious to force free government on all; and I see that it has been urged ... that it is the mission of this country to spread civil and religious liberty over all the world, and especially over this continent. It is a great mistake.”

It was pretty well understood at the time by everyone Calhoun was attempting to use racism as a tool on the matter, not out of genuine conviction. I seem to recall some Northern newspapers mocking Calhoun for standing on this while "High Yellows" existed on his cohorts plantation.

Sure, but had it not been for racism, he would not be able to use it.
And had it not been for slavery (a racist institution) the slavery controversy would not exist.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Oh no, I read what was posted. Success in one battle does not equate to success in the war, especially since Seelow Heights was less a success and more a lack of abject failure.

I'd love for you to quote where this was claimed by anyone.

Technically, you didn't directly claim it, but you've been spending this entire time arguing that the Nazis were better than the Soviets based on one battle, that being Seelow Heights, and you've basically just repeated the same point whenever someone points out that it's really not that surprising when the fortifications are considered or that the Nazis lost the war anyway.

[Torrocca]

I'd love for you to quote where this was claimed by anyone.

Technically, you didn't directly claim it, but you've been spending this entire time arguing that the Nazis were better than the Soviets based on one battle, that being Seelow Heights, and you've basically just repeated the same point whenever someone points out that it's really not that surprising when the fortifications are considered or that the Nazis lost the war anyway.

Using terrain to your advantage such as having your engineers flood the plains on your enemy's side of the river or having them build fortifications on the hills overlooking the river from your side is Juden talk. Those little children and elderly men at Seelow Heights quite clearly killed 30,000 Soviet soldiers through Aryan supremacy alone; how they lost is totally unknown.

[Valrifell]

Technically, you didn't directly claim it, but you've been spending this entire time arguing that the Nazis were better than the Soviets based on one battle, that being Seelow Heights, and you've basically just repeated the same point whenever someone points out that it's really not that surprising when the fortifications are considered or that the Nazis lost the war anyway.

Using terrain to your advantage such as having your engineers flood the plains on your enemy's side of the river or having them build fortifications on the hills overlooking the river from your side is Juden talk. Those little children and elderly men at Seelow Heights quite clearly killed 30,000 Soviet soldiers through Aryan supremacy alone; how they lost is totally unknown.

The Soviets used hacks.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Technically, you didn't directly claim it, but you've been spending this entire time arguing that the Nazis were better than the Soviets based on one battle, that being Seelow Heights, and you've basically just repeated the same point whenever someone points out that it's really not that surprising when the fortifications are considered or that the Nazis lost the war anyway.

Using terrain to your advantage such as having your engineers flood the plains on your enemy's side of the river or having them build fortifications on the hills overlooking the river from your side is Juden talk. Those little children and elderly men at Seelow Heights quite clearly killed 30,000 Soviet soldiers through Aryan supremacy alone; how they lost is totally unknown.

I'm mostly confused by why they keep talking about Seelow Heights. If you want to argue that the Nazis were the best war machine of WW2, then you should use the battles fought in the opening stages of Barbarossa. Why they picked one fought as the Reich was dying and that accomplished nothing to help the Germans is beyond me.

[Torrocca]

Using terrain to your advantage such as having your engineers flood the plains on your enemy's side of the river or having them build fortifications on the hills overlooking the river from your side is Juden talk. Those little children and elderly men at Seelow Heights quite clearly killed 30,000 Soviet soldiers through Aryan supremacy alone; how they lost is totally unknown.

I'm mostly confused by why they keep talking about Seelow Heights. If you want to argue that the Nazis were the best war machine of WW2, then you should use the battles fought in the opening stages of Barbarossa. Why they picked one fought as the Reich was dying and that accomplished nothing to help the Germans is beyond me.

Because clearly the Soviets couldn't even properly fight Aryan child ubermensch, duh.

[Kowani]

I get the monarch being conflated with the state since that logically follows from absolutism and the old adages of rulers like Louis XIV, but, with regard to the nation, is this the result of viewing the monarch as an incarnation of the national spirit?

“Incarnation of the national spirit” implies that there is some duality between the nation and the Emperor. There is no distinction. The Emperor is the nation as a living person.

The English language would disagree.

[Conserative Morality]

I mean, it really depends on if I’ve been taking my meds regularly, if I’m to be completely honest.

Uncle Sam be like:"We need to conquer the World...SO I CAN GET MY MEDS, AND MY BIGMACS AND MY TWINKIES AND MY..."

*dies of heart failure.

Sign of success #143: foreigners and apologists for weak foreign countries get mad at your very existence. =^)

[Totally Not OEP]

Imagine pretending to have knowledge of military matters and then being completely flabbergasted by the simple fact that a defensive network established on a series of high ground that overlooks a river crossing and a set of deliberately-flooded plains is deadly to infantry and vehicles.

You're quite clearly using a strawman because we both know the point I'm making is decisive. You keep harking up the terrain as a decisive feature, but ignore the fact that actually constructing the defenses was done by amateurs and they were able to halt the Soviets despite the RKKA having professional combat engineers and control of the air to know exactly what the Germans were doing; they still got their dick stuck in a meat grinder. That's an absolute embarrassment to the RKKA that 13 year olds were better at war than the professional soldiers in Zhukov's forces.

It doesn't take a genius to utilize terrain features like high ground, a river, and flood plains to your advantage, chief.

Sure, but that in of itself isn't a successful refutation of the point being made.

Quite evidently, I know more than you seeing as how you continually circlejerk about the superiority of a military force that couldn't even win the only war it ever truly participated in, one which it had started on its own terms at that.

Might I suggest broadcasting your insecurities just a little less? Everyone else has noticed it and pointed it out already. As for the point being made, that's not an actual argument. Your argument, at it's core, is circular logic in that it consists of "The Wehrmacht was bad because it lost and it lost because it was bad". Not only does that ignore the specifics of the conflict and the whole spread of academic literature, it also shows an infantile ability to actually engage in debates on it, either from ignornance or simple lack of ability to actually debate.

I'm already having that, Totally Not Oil Exporting Peoples.

An odd statement, given you were in High School just a few weeks ago.

[Totally Not OEP]

I'd love for you to quote where this was claimed by anyone.

Technically, you didn't directly claim it, but you've been spending this entire time arguing that the Nazis were better than the Soviets based on one battle, that being Seelow Heights, and you've basically just repeated the same point whenever someone points out that it's really not that surprising when the fortifications are considered or that the Nazis lost the war anyway.

As I said, I'd love for you to quote where I claimed this.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Remind me yet again why we are debating a bunch of individuals who are deeply disappointed that they were born too late to join the fifth columnist organisation named HIAG?

[New yugoslavaia]

Can I just ask one question.

Does most of the right wing deny climate change, or is that just a bunch of nut jobs who either think it's something to do with "dem globalists" or they're tea party/corporate shills?

[Conserative Morality]

Remind me yet again why we are debating a bunch of individuals who are deeply disappointed that they were born too late to join the fifth columnist organisation named HIAG?

Honestly, we should have tried and executed every last member of the SS after WW2.

[Totally Not OEP]

Remind me yet again why we are debating a bunch of individuals who are deeply disappointed that they were born too late to join the fifth columnist organisation named HIAG?

Because you're on the internet with nothing better to do.

[Valrifell]

Remind me yet again why we are debating a bunch of individuals who are deeply disappointed that they were born too late to join the fifth columnist organisation named HIAG?

Honestly, we should have tried and executed every last member of the SS after WW2.

CM literally only has correct opinions and it's scary.