Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

A religious foundation for morality is not the only foundation for morality.

In the same way sand is to stone.

In your opinion.

[Minzerland II]

In the same way sand is to stone.

WHaT A stUPid ThInG to SaY Lol

In the same way sand is to stone.

An apt description of theological basis for morality, that's what happens when you base your moral foundation of unprovable spiritual assertions.

Whatever you say, Dawkins.

[Genivaria]

An apt description of theological basis for morality, that's what happens when you base your moral foundation of unprovable spiritual assertions.

Whatever you say, Dawkins.

Thank you for proving my point.

[Minzerland II]

Whatever you say, Dawkins.

Thank you for proving my point.

If you’re stuck with Kant, Hume, utilitarianism, Harris or Dawkins, then you’re doing morality wrong. lol

[Genivaria]

Thank you for proving my point.

If you’re stuck with Kant, Hume, utilitarianism, Harris or Dawkins, then you’re doing morality wrong. lol

The funny thing is that even if you were right and there was no valid secular moral philosophy at all, that still leaves you with not a shred of credibility for your own, until you can demonstrate anything of what you say you're still left with nothing.

[Hanafuridake]

The idea that the monarch should serve the nation or state is weird. How do you serve yourself?

[Minzerland II]

If you’re stuck with Kant, Hume, utilitarianism, Harris or Dawkins, then you’re doing morality wrong. lol

The funny thing is that even if you were right and there was no valid secular moral philosophy at all, that still leaves you with not a shred of credibility for your own, until you can demonstrate anything of what you say you're still left with nothing.

If, by demonstration, you mean appealing to your inane empiricism and scientism, I’m afraid I’d rather eat dirt, like I did as a toddler, than entertain such an exercise of futility.

[Greater Loegria]

The idea that the monarch should serve the nation or state is weird. How do you serve yourself?

By serving its people.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

The idea that the monarch should serve the nation or state is weird. How do you serve yourself?

I guess it comes down to whether you view the leader as a servant, or the led as a servant, or both as servants to an idea of the nation. In my view, I think the leader should bear the greater burden of service.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Secular democratic societies have a big problem with the hollow nature of relativistic and majoritarian ethics. That said, religious-based models only work so long as the majority practise the same variant of the same religion, otherwise it collapses into "well my dude says different".

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Secular democratic societies have a big problem with the hollow nature of relativistic and majoritarian ethics. That said, religious-based models only work so long as the majority practise the same variant of the same religion, otherwise it collapses into "well my dude says different".

In that sense, religious-based models are just as majoritarian as secular models, if not more.

[Minzerland II]

Friendly reminder:

From this the diligent reader encounters the fact that a good will is no less necessary for a judge than is knowledge or power, since he is held at fault not only for himself but for others, and he bears the burden twice for himself and others to the extent that he will not be trusted before God on the basis of the multitude of his gifts apart from the cleanliness of his will… I have seen nothing more miserable than judges ignorant of the science of law and devoid of a good will… But, regardless of what we say about legal proficiency or the powers of execution, a judge must be an extremely religious person and one who hates all iniquity more than death itself. (Policraticus, pg. 93)

:^)

[Greater Loegria]

Secular democratic societies have a big problem with the hollow nature of relativistic and majoritarian ethics. That said, religious-based models only work so long as the majority practise the same variant of the same religion, otherwise it collapses into "well my dude says different".

In that sense, religious-based models are just as majoritarian as secular models, if not more.

Religiously majoritarian society is the ideal model to minimise the scope for persecution and certain political tensions.

[Hanafuridake]

Friendly reminder:

From this the diligent reader encounters the fact that a good will is no less necessary for a judge than is knowledge or power, since he is held at fault not only for himself but for others, and he bears the burden twice for himself and others to the extent that he will not be trusted before God on the basis of the multitude of his gifts apart from the cleanliness of his will… I have seen nothing more miserable than judges ignorant of the science of law and devoid of a good will… But, regardless of what we say about legal proficiency or the powers of execution, a judge must be an extremely religious person and one who hates all iniquity more than death itself. (Policraticus, pg. 93)

:^)

Pretty sure you've already exhausted the shock factor. People just find you annoying now.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

In that sense, religious-based models are just as majoritarian as secular models, if not more.

Religiously majoritarian society is the ideal model to minimise the scope for persecution and certain political tensions.

I don't quite understand. Are you saying that having a religious majority reduces the likelihood of political persecution and political tension? If so, that's probably true, if a bit redundant. Still, you know what reduces the scope for persecution in a much more effective manner? The first amendment, and laws like it that guarantee freedom of religion.

[Minzerland II]

Friendly reminder:



:^)

Pretty sure you've already exhausted the shock factor. People just find you annoying now.

I do hope so! I can tell I annoy you.

[Greater Loegria]

Religiously majoritarian society is the ideal model to minimise the scope for persecution and certain political tensions.

I don't quite understand. Are you saying that having a religious majority reduces the likelihood of political persecution and political tension? If so, that's probably true, if a bit redundant. Still, you know what reduces the scope for persecution in a much more effective manner? The first amendment, and laws like it that guarantee freedom of religion.

Or if everyone is the same religion; id est Roman Catholic then its highly unlikely. Enshrining secularism within statecraft cuts humanity's taproot in Eden and separates it from the Kingdom of God, destroying the legitimacy of its institutions.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Friendly reminder:



:^)

Pretty sure you've already exhausted the shock factor. People just find you annoying now.

lol

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I don't quite understand. Are you saying that having a religious majority reduces the likelihood of political persecution and political tension? If so, that's probably true, if a bit redundant. Still, you know what reduces the scope for persecution in a much more effective manner? The first amendment, and laws like it that guarantee freedom of religion.

Or if everyone is the same religion; id est Roman Catholic then its highly unlikely. Enshrining secularism within statecraft cuts humanity's taproot in Eden and separates it from the Kingdom of God, destroying the legitimacy of its institutions.

In this day and age, expecting everyone to conform to your religion is foolish and chauvinistic. We all have different beliefs, and we need to accept those differences. It's the only way we'll live in harmony. If humanity needs to toss freedom of religion in order to be connected to "The Kingdom of God," (which it doesn't) then the Kingdom of God is not worth.

[Minzerland II]

>mfw Catholic politics annoys a Buddhist, Japanese Traditionalist On NS fucking G

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

>mfw Catholic politics annoys a Buddhist, Japanese Traditionalist On NS fucking G

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She's not the only one annoyed by you.

Side note, when was that image taken? Is it a genuinely old image or was it edited to look old?

[Greater Loegria]

Or if everyone is the same religion; id est Roman Catholic then its highly unlikely. Enshrining secularism within statecraft cuts humanity's taproot in Eden and separates it from the Kingdom of God, destroying the legitimacy of its institutions.

In this day and age, expecting everyone to conform to your religion is foolish and chauvinistic. We all have different beliefs, and we need to accept those differences. It's the only way we'll live in harmony. If humanity needs to toss freedom of religion in order to be connected to "The Kingdom of God," (which it doesn't) then the Kingdom of God is not worth.

Oh it is anything but foolish and chauvinistic, it is merely compassion. Just as all outside the Ark of Noah perished, so shall all those outside the RCC when God decides to put the world out of its misery. We are doing them a good turn.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

>mfw Catholic politics annoys a Buddhist, Japanese Traditionalist On NS fucking G

(Image)

She's not the only one annoyed by you.

Side note, when was that image taken? Is it a genuinely old image or was it edited to look old?

Even better. Minzerland, you annoyed a Libertarian too!

[Minzerland II]

>mfw Catholic politics annoys a Buddhist, Japanese Traditionalist On NS fucking G

(Image)

She's not the only one annoyed by you.

Side note, when was that image taken? Is it a genuinely old image or was it edited to look old?

It’s from the set of Dunkirk by Christopher Nolan, I believe.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

>mfw Catholic politics annoys a Buddhist, Japanese Traditionalist On NS fucking G

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Hhhmmm... Buddhist, Jainist, or Shintoist?