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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:27 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
What are you talking about, you're a cat. If you were close to Mickey Mouse, you'd probably eat him.


The Mouse has powers not meant for the faint of heart, AKA non-Floridians.

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2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


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Postby Torrocca » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:28 pm

Benuty wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SORT OF DARK POWERS THE MOUSE HOLDS IN THESE LANDS.

help

The mouse practically owns Florida because California has no redeeming qualities. Outside of Silicon Valley who the hell wants to own California?


The Mouse is Florida, and soon he's to be the Earth.

Flee while you still can.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:28 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Why are you citing Islam having an ok form of extortion as a good thing?

>looks up
Mukaatabah =/= extortion


“Extortion (also called shakedown, outwrestling and exaction) is a criminal offense of obtaining money, property, or services from an individual or institution, through coercion.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion

It most certainly is extortion.
“Pay me or keep you enslaved against your will” is extracting money by coercion.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:29 pm

Benuty wrote:
Kowani wrote:What are you talking about?

Right wing watch is a site that used to go after boomers making controversial statements about rape, and hell. They swallowed the black pill, and started reporting on everything from the ok hand sign being a white supremacist to memes being a vehicle to extremism. I recall an article somewhere that because 4chan was co-opting the rainbow to represent society as perfect when racially segregated. Suffice it to say people were reeing about it, and then you have the honk meme representing the absurdity of our clown world.

Memes are being used to radicalize the youth, though. Edgy humor is particularly guilty of this. As for the honk meme, well. We all know who uses it and who doesn’t. Heck, the use of “pills” to describe an ideology is indicative of one’s own ideology.
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Postby Yusseria » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:29 pm

Novus America wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:>looks up
Mukaatabah =/= extortion


“Extortion (also called shakedown, outwrestling and exaction) is a criminal offense of obtaining money, property, or services from an individual or institution, through coercion.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion

It most certainly is extortion.
“Pay me or keep you enslaved against your will” is extracting money by coercion.

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Postby Benuty » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:29 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Benuty wrote:The mouse practically owns Florida because California has no redeeming qualities. Outside of Silicon Valley who the hell wants to own California?


The Mouse is Florida, and soon he's to be the Earth.

Flee while you still can.

No thanks lets enjoy the clown world coming to completion before the next civilization reset. You just might get your chance to become a founding ideologue of the next world civilizational phase...if you survive of course.
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:30 pm

Novus America wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:>looks up
Mukaatabah =/= extortion


“Extortion (also called shakedown, outwrestling and exaction) is a criminal offense of obtaining money, property, or services from an individual or institution, through coercion.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion

It most certainly is extortion.
“Pay me or keep you enslaved against your will” is extracting money by coercion.

So is taxation
1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:30 pm

Benuty wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SORT OF DARK POWERS THE MOUSE HOLDS IN THESE LANDS.

help

The mouse practically owns Florida because California has no redeeming qualities. Outside of Silicon Valley who the hell wants to own California?

“No redeeming qualities.”
So, how’s that economy looking? Of course, the culture is subjective, and there are definitely problems, but it could be Mississippi.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:31 pm

Kowani wrote:
Benuty wrote:Right wing watch is a site that used to go after boomers making controversial statements about rape, and hell. They swallowed the black pill, and started reporting on everything from the ok hand sign being a white supremacist to memes being a vehicle to extremism. I recall an article somewhere that because 4chan was co-opting the rainbow to represent society as perfect when racially segregated. Suffice it to say people were reeing about it, and then you have the honk meme representing the absurdity of our clown world.

Memes are being used to radicalize the youth, though. Edgy humor is particularly guilty of this. As for the honk meme, well. We all know who uses it and who doesn’t. Heck, the use of “pills” to describe an ideology is indicative of one’s own ideology.

I mean the site is clearly a fifth column due to the fact it subscribes to a nihilistic edginess that borders on acceptance of the ideals they supposedly criticize. At least the honk meme is meant to point out the absurdity of it all, and let us enjoy our last few moments.
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:31 pm

Kowani wrote:
Benuty wrote:Right wing watch is a site that used to go after boomers making controversial statements about rape, and hell. They swallowed the black pill, and started reporting on everything from the ok hand sign being a white supremacist to memes being a vehicle to extremism. I recall an article somewhere that because 4chan was co-opting the rainbow to represent society as perfect when racially segregated. Suffice it to say people were reeing about it, and then you have the honk meme representing the absurdity of our clown world.

Memes are being used to radicalize the youth, though. Edgy humor is particularly guilty of this. As for the honk meme, well. We all know who uses it and who doesn’t. Heck, the use of “pills” to describe an ideology is indicative of one’s own ideology.

It means you're transitioning.
1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


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Postby Novus America » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:33 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Benuty wrote:The mouse practically owns Florida because California has no redeeming qualities. Outside of Silicon Valley who the hell wants to own California?


The Mouse is Florida, and soon he's to be the Earth.

Flee while you still can.


You cannot flee the reach of the mouse :o
He will find you. Flee to Antarctica, flee to the stars. It does not matter.
His reach is endless and his desire for control insatiable.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:37 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Kowani wrote:Memes are being used to radicalize the youth, though. Edgy humor is particularly guilty of this. As for the honk meme, well. We all know who uses it and who doesn’t. Heck, the use of “pills” to describe an ideology is indicative of one’s own ideology.

It means you're transitioning.

What are you talking about?
Benuty wrote:
Kowani wrote:Memes are being used to radicalize the youth, though. Edgy humor is particularly guilty of this. As for the honk meme, well. We all know who uses it and who doesn’t. Heck, the use of “pills” to describe an ideology is indicative of one’s own ideology.

I mean the site is clearly a fifth column due to the fact it subscribes to a nihilistic edginess that borders on acceptance of the ideals they supposedly criticize. At least the honk meme is meant to point out the absurdity of it all, and let us enjoy our last few moments.

That’s nice.
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:56 pm

Novus America wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
So it is. I could've sworn it was the first. Faulty memory on my part. Still. The commandment in question, "Thou Shalt Not Kill", is plain and simple, and states no exceptions.


It is actually “you shall not murder”.
“though shalt not kill” is a garbage translation.
The KJV is a very poor translation.


While I agree that it is far from a good translation, the fact is, that is an extremely minority view among most protestants, and so that is the version I use when discussing the Bible.

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The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:It is a shame Christians didn't regulate slavery as well.

Yeah instead they regulated it out of existence, I can actually criticize the Atlantic Slave Trade but you can't say shit.


Pretty much exactly this. We have no need to prevent the worst abuses of slavery when we consider slavery inherently so evil that we've legislated it as an abuse in and of itself.

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yeah instead they regulated it out of existence, I can actually criticize the Atlantic Slave Trade but you can't say shit.

Al-Islam has also banned slavery.


Not according to Amin.

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Then you and Amin need to have a LOOOOONG talk.

Al-Islam is to Islam as Christendom is to Christianity.


If elephants pooped popcorn, world hunger wouldn't exist.

See? I can say random bullshit that doesn't apply to the post I'm quoting, too.

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Why is the nature of Christian morality so incredibly personal and arbitary instead of blatant and mostly.understood the same by everyone? Seems like even years of scholarship aren't enough to have a fine grasp of it.


Why are you complaining about something that is literally no different from when someone in your religion issues a fatwa?

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Why are you citing Islam having an ok form of extortion as a good thing?

>looks up
Mukaatabah =/= extortion


How is "Give me money or I will force you to be my slave" not fucking extortion?

Hanafuridake wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Why are you citing Islam having an ok form of extortion as a good thing?


Because he doesn't care about facts or honesty, and he thinks we're all stupid enough to fall for his antics.


I mean, obviously. I'm just trying to make him admit it.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:According to Shariah, the mouse must be killed, and his wealth distributed amongst the Ummah.

Dude stop this is getting cringy lol.


Now you know how you sound.

Benuty wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SORT OF DARK POWERS THE MOUSE HOLDS IN THESE LANDS.

help

The mouse practically owns Florida because California has no redeeming qualities. Outside of Silicon Valley who the hell wants to own California?


Aside from it apparently being filled with neo-confederates and neo-nazis, Northern California seems like an alright place to live. Especially climate wise.

Novus America wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:>looks up
Mukaatabah =/= extortion


“Extortion (also called shakedown, outwrestling and exaction) is a criminal offense of obtaining money, property, or services from an individual or institution, through coercion.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion

It most certainly is extortion.
“Pay me or keep you enslaved against your will” is extracting money by coercion.


Exactly. And no amount of magic sky fairy bullshit will make it not be extortion.
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:11 pm

Whenever I debate unbelievers and I reach out, my shoe is often in the back of my mind before my hand settles on the Qur'an.
1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:16 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Whenever I debate unbelievers and I reach out, my shoe is often in the back of my mind before my hand settles on the Qur'an.

I would like to reiterate my statement about Memri TV.
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:22 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Whenever I debate unbelievers and I reach out, my shoe is often in the back of my mind before my hand settles on the Qur'an.

I would like to reiterate my statement about Memri TV.

Hitting someone with an object crafted for a purpose other than hitting people is considered extremely demeaning in Arabic culture, same would apply to hitting someone with a pipe for example, I guess the western parralel is a slap with a glove although hittong someone in the face or causing bruises is considered unacceptable.
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1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:24 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Kowani wrote:I would like to reiterate my statement about Memri TV.

Hitting someone with an object crafted for a purpose other than hitting people is considered extremely demeaning in Arabic culture, same would apply to hitting someone with a pipe for example, I guess the western parralel is a slap with a glove although hittong someone in the face or causing bruises is considered unacceptable.

And…thank you for missing the point entirely.
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Postby Napkistan » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:26 pm

I don't know why you guys continue to bother debating El-Amin. He's one bad day away from joining Al-Qaeda or some other fucked up jihadi group (personal opinion on where his current trajectory will lead him mods), supports beating your wife for acting out of place (as long as it's gently lmao), slavery, and raping slaves. I use to think he's...a very naive edge lord teenager, but that line was crossed hella long ago. I mean even the white nats I've had the misfortune of interacting with drew lines at things like raping slaves (of course the mods other than OT bent over for him lmao). Legitimately, just ignore him until he finds himself in the hills of Pakistan and the resulting comeuppance.
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Postby Napkistan » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:29 pm

Also I put down $5 that El-Amin will scurry off to moderation and $10 that I'll at least get a warning, if not a ban as a result of my record.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:31 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Whenever I debate unbelievers and I reach out, my shoe is often in the back of my mind before my hand settles on the Qur'an.

You should probably talk to someone about your violent impulses.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:32 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Whenever I debate unbelievers and I reach out, my shoe is often in the back of my mind before my hand settles on the Qur'an.


If you hit me with a shoe, I'll forgive you. :)
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:35 pm

Napkistan wrote:I don't know why you guys continue to bother debating El-Amin. He's one bad day away from joining Al-Qaeda or some other fucked up jihadi group (personal opinion on where his current trajectory will lead him mods), supports beating your wife for acting out of place (as long as it's gently lmao), slavery, and raping slaves. I use to think he's...a very naive edge lord teenager, but that line was crossed hella long ago. I mean even the white nats I've had the misfortune of interacting with drew lines at things like raping slaves (of course the mods other than OT bent over for him lmao). Legitimately, just ignore him until he finds himself in the hills of Pakistan and the resulting comeuppance.

He posted an article on why raping slaves is unacceptable, that is what he was banned for.

Hitting your wife is permissible in Islam as a last resort so long as it is not in the face, is not vicious, and does mot leave marks. If it violates these requirements she can file for favorable divoce and perhaps even pursue criminal charges if bad enough. Very rarely is marriage bad enough to warrant it, it is if she, for example, started drinking and wearing mini skirts. It signals, no, this is not acceptable, if you continue I will divorce you. Ceremonially it can be done with a very short stick as a toothbrush was suugested by Muhammed when asked what one should beat one's wife with. But it is not playful, it is meant to be firm and making it clear you are at the end of your rope.
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2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:35 pm

Novus America wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:>looks up
Mukaatabah =/= extortion


“Extortion (also called shakedown, outwrestling and exaction) is a criminal offense of obtaining money, property, or services from an individual or institution, through coercion.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion

It most certainly is extortion.
“Pay me or keep you enslaved against your will” is extracting money by coercion.

That definition also states "criminal offense". Islamic slavery is not a criminal offense under Shari'ah. Google dictionary has "the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats." Mukaatabah is fits in neither of those.
Grenartia wrote:How is "Give me money or I will force you to be my slave" not f*cking extortion?

See above, where I quote Novus.
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No I don't.
Grenartia wrote:Exactly. And no amount of magic sky fairy bullshi* will make it not be extortion.

This is the 1st time I've seen a Christian refer to Allah SWT as a sky fairy. What's up with that?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:36 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Napkistan wrote:I don't know why you guys continue to bother debating El-Amin. He's one bad day away from joining Al-Qaeda or some other fucked up jihadi group (personal opinion on where his current trajectory will lead him mods), supports beating your wife for acting out of place (as long as it's gently lmao), slavery, and raping slaves. I use to think he's...a very naive edge lord teenager, but that line was crossed hella long ago. I mean even the white nats I've had the misfortune of interacting with drew lines at things like raping slaves (of course the mods other than OT bent over for him lmao). Legitimately, just ignore him until he finds himself in the hills of Pakistan and the resulting comeuppance.

He posted an article on why raping slaves is unacceptable, that is what he was banned for.

Hitting your wife is permissible in Islam as a last resort so long as it is not in the face, is not vicious, and does mot leave marks. If it violates these requirements she can file for favorable divoce and perhaps even pursue criminal charges if bad enough. Very rarely is marriage bad enough to warrant it, it is if she, for example, started drinking and wearing mini skirts. It signals, no, this is not acceptable, if you continue I will divorce you. Ceremonially it can be done with a very short stick as a toothbrush was suugested by Muhammed when asked what one should beat one's wife with. But it is not playful, it is meant to be firm and making it clear you are at the end of your rope.

I and a bunch of other Muslims have already tried explaining that to these people, akhi. They don't listen.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:37 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Whenever I debate unbelievers and I reach out, my shoe is often in the back of my mind before my hand settles on the Qur'an.


If you hit me with a shoe, I'll forgive you. :)

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Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
CLICK THIS
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

Democracy and Freedom Index
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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