Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

No one here has advocated anything criminal.

If you put into practice, what you and El-Amin are advocating here - openly rejecting the state's laws in favor of your own theocratic ones - you would make yourself a criminal.

No, no, no. The advocating ia for state recognition of shari'ah.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

If you put into practice, what you and El-Amin are advocating here - openly rejecting the state's laws in favor of your own theocratic ones - you would make yourself a criminal.

No, no, no. The advocating ia for state recognition of shari'ah.

>cough cough<

[Baltenstein]

If you put into practice, what you and El-Amin are advocating here - openly rejecting the state's laws in favor of your own theocratic ones - you would make yourself a criminal.

That’s not how US law works.

Pretty sure that you'd get legally prosecuted in the US too if you were to, say, whip or stone someone because Shariah Law (or at least your intepretation of it) says so.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That’s not how US law works.

Pretty sure that you'd get legally prosecuted in the US too if you were to, say, whip or stone someone because Shariah Law (or at least your intepretation of it) says so.

Not if you don't get caught. Also stoning isn't part of Shari'ah.

[Baltenstein]

It's not "injustice", in any sense of the word, to protect yourself and your society against those who are openly stating their intent to break its rules and replace them with thei own.

That's like some construction company announcing that it wants to turn Mecca into a holiday resort, and then complainting about "injustice" when Muslims are not letting them have their way.

I was talking about stuff like what China's doing or worse. Also I'd consider France banning niqaabs and Austria banning distribution of the Holy Qur'an to be (light) persecution. Either Denmark or the Netherlands (can't remember which) were thinking about take young children from Muslim families and doing what would pretty much be indoctrination into them so they wouldn't be Muslim. If this isn't persecution I don't know what is.

If said Muslims are law-abiding French/Danish/Dutch/whatever citizens, they have every right to protest. If they want to discard or violate French/Danish/Dutch/whatever law intentionally - these states have every right to protect themselves and their socieites.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

I was talking about stuff like what China's doing or worse. Also I'd consider France banning niqaabs and Austria banning distribution of the Holy Qur'an to be (light) persecution. Either Denmark or the Netherlands (can't remember which) were thinking about take young children from Muslim families and doing what would pretty much be indoctrination into them so they wouldn't be Muslim. If this isn't persecution I don't know what is.

If said Muslims are law-abiding French/Danish/Dutch/whatever citizens, they have every right to protest. If they want to discard or violate French/Danish/Dutch/whatever law intentionally - these states have every right to protect themselves and their socieites.

They want legal recognition of shari'ah peacefully. Wanting to add or change laws is not a crime

[Baltenstein]

It's not "injustice", in any sense of the word, to protect yourself and your society against those who are openly stating their intent to break its rules and replace them with thei own.

That's like some construction company announcing that it wants to turn Mecca into a holiday resort, and then complainting about "injustice" when Muslims are not letting them have their way.

No one said anything abput breaking rules, just changing them. And shari'ah is for Muslims, not imposed on unbelievers.

The idea of different legal systems for different faiths is completely incompatible with how the modern Western democratic nation-state works. Trying to implement such a system will - correctly - be seen as an attack on it, with appropriate consequences.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

No one said anything abput breaking rules, just changing them. And shari'ah is for Muslims, not imposed on unbelievers.

The idea of different legal systems for different faiths is completely incompatible with how the modern Western democratic nation-state works. Trying to implement such a system will - correctly - be seen as an attack on it, with appropriate consequences.

Things change, laws and systems evolve.

[Kowani]

The idea of different legal systems for different faiths is completely incompatible with how the modern Western democratic nation-state works. Trying to implement such a system will - correctly - be seen as an attack on it, with appropriate consequences.

Things change, laws and systems evolve.

Of course, Sharia can’t change.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

Things change, laws and systems evolve.

Of course, Sharia can’t change.

No, but secular law can.

[Hanafuridake]

Western CultureTM is superior confirmed.

The conflation of liberalism with Western culture is a stupid one, to be blunt. It ignores large parts of the Western world which are strongly conservative and homophobic. The evangelical voting block which supports Donald Trump, the Vatican, Russian Orthodox Church, etc. are all very religious and moralistic. They just don't suffer from an equivalent of Wahabhism at the present moment.

[Benuty]

I support LGBT rights, come and fight me about it my man.

I mean making men and civilizations into wimps

I see nothing wrong with accelerationism at all to be honest. Its only natural, and if anything should be encouraged. Its time for another 476 CE so let's get out of this phase already.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

I mean making men and civilizations into wimps

I see nothing wrong with accelerationism at all to be honest. Its only natural, and if anything should be encouraged. Its time for another 476 CE so let's get out of this phase already.

Hey Bugs...easy on the Iranian theology...

[Novus America]

Western CultureTM is superior confirmed.

The conflation of liberalism with Western culture is a stupid one, to be blunt. It ignores large parts of the Western world which are strongly conservative and homophobic. The evangelical voting block which supports Donald Trump, the Vatican, Russian Orthodox Church, etc. are all very religious and moralistic. They just don't suffer from an equivalent of Wahabhism at the present moment.

The Russian Orthodox Church is not Western.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Western CultureTM is superior confirmed.

The conflation of liberalism with Western culture is a stupid one, to be blunt. It ignores large parts of the Western world which are strongly conservative and homophobic. The evangelical voting block which supports Donald Trump, the Vatican, Russian Orthodox Church, etc. are all very religious and moralistic. They just don't suffer from an equivalent of Wahabhism at the present moment.

I’m afraid you’re wrong, LIBERALISM IS LITERALLY WESTERN CULTURE.
They are the same fucking thing and you are telling lies. The far right are a bunch of traitors who would like nothing more than the collapse of the west.

[Benuty]

I see nothing wrong with accelerationism at all to be honest. Its only natural, and if anything should be encouraged. Its time for another 476 CE so let's get out of this phase already.

Hey Bugs...easy on the Iranian theology...

The Twelvers have a point in wanting the world to end, but I just disagree with them on how it should ultimately end up. I am simply thinking of terms of the next great civilizational stage. Just as the ancient cultures had their day we had ours, and the new one will have its day.

[Hanafuridake]

I support LGBT rights, come and fight me about it my man.

I mean making men and civilizations into wimps

What if civilization is what makes men wimps.

[Benuty]

I mean making men and civilizations into wimps

What if civilization is what makes men wimps.

In before "strong times create weak men".

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

The conflation of liberalism with Western culture is a stupid one, to be blunt. It ignores large parts of the Western world which are strongly conservative and homophobic. The evangelical voting block which supports Donald Trump, the Vatican, Russian Orthodox Church, etc. are all very religious and moralistic. They just don't suffer from an equivalent of Wahabhism at the present moment.

I’m afraid you’re wrong, LIBERALISM IS LITERALLY WESTERN CULTURE.
They are the same fucking thing and you are telling lies. The far right are a bunch of traitors who would like nothing more than the collapse of the west.

Even the conservatives of the wesr are in fact very liberal, conservative mostly means low taxes.

[Hanafuridake]

The conflation of liberalism with Western culture is a stupid one, to be blunt. It ignores large parts of the Western world which are strongly conservative and homophobic. The evangelical voting block which supports Donald Trump, the Vatican, Russian Orthodox Church, etc. are all very religious and moralistic. They just don't suffer from an equivalent of Wahabhism at the present moment.

I’m afraid you’re wrong, LIBERALISM IS LITERALLY WESTERN CULTURE.
They are the same fucking thing and you are telling lies. The far right are a bunch of traitors who would like nothing more than the collapse of the west.

No, they're really not. There is no such thing as one monolithic Western culture. Fundamentalist Christians and ultra-conservative Catholics are just as Western as liberal democrats. So are Fascists and Nazis.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

I mean making men and civilizations into wimps

What if civilization is what makes men wimps.

I would say you are confusing civilization and decadence.

[Benuty]

I’m afraid you’re wrong, LIBERALISM IS LITERALLY WESTERN CULTURE.
They are the same fucking thing and you are telling lies. The far right are a bunch of traitors who would like nothing more than the collapse of the west.

No, they're really not. There is no such thing as one monolithic Western culture. Fundamentalist Christians and ultra-conservative Catholics are just as Western as liberal democrats.

I have to agree with you there, and liberalism much to Galactic's dismay is only one facet of culture. If your culture consists entirely of a facet of ideology as the only thing uniting it then something is wrong.

[Benuty]

What if civilization is what makes men wimps.

I would say you are confusing civilization and decadence.

I mean they aren't wrong since civilization is prone to periods of decadence before correction either by interior or exterior force.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

I’m afraid you’re wrong, LIBERALISM IS LITERALLY WESTERN CULTURE.
They are the same fucking thing and you are telling lies. The far right are a bunch of traitors who would like nothing more than the collapse of the west.

No, they're really not. There is no such thing as one monolithic Western culture. Fundamentalist Christians and ultra-conservative Catholics are just as Western as liberal democrats. So are Fascists and Nazis.

The hardcore Catholics mostly ceased to be relevant to westetn civilization after all the secular revolutions, apart from one last rodeo after the Spanish Civil War. Fascism lost after WWII and no longer has any legacy except a nightmare.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

I would say you are confusing civilization and decadence.

I mean they aren't wrong since civilization is prone to periods of decadence before correction either by interior or exterior force.

Unbeliever civilization. Islamic civilization realky only was among the Ottomans.