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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Postby North German Realm » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:33 am

Yusseria wrote:What's the ideal form of government?

Amin, you need not answer. Everybody knows what you'll say.

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:34 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Kowani wrote:Because the physical quality of life is better.

That’s an opinion.

Reality is an opinion then. The Nordic model is considerably more livable than authoritarians would like.
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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:35 am

North German Realm wrote:
Yusseria wrote:What's the ideal form of government?

Amin, you need not answer. Everybody knows what you'll say.

Crowned Republic under a Parliamentary model. I'd prefer to have a mildly nationalist party that provides welfare but doesn't go nuts with the xenophobia (if it's in the EU, I'd prefer it not to be Euroskeptic either)

MILDLY NATIONALIST? Full nationalism is the only way to go and welfare is unessecery.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:35 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Kowani wrote:Because the physical quality of life is better.

That’s an opinion.

Physical quality. By every single metric, Social Democratic Countries win. But no, you go on ahead.
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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:37 am

Kowani wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:That’s an opinion.

Physical quality. By every single metric, Social Democratic Countries win. But no, you go on ahead.

The advantaged class generally decides how good a country is. In this case, the poor. I would argue free market capitalism is much better because I don’t stand around and get money for doing nothing. Social democracy appeals to a few, it’s not all around better.
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Postby Yusseria » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:38 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:That’s an opinion.

Reality is an opinion then. The Nordic model is considerably more livable than authoritarians would like.

It's easy to do that when you have those sweet petro dollars like Norway does. And also when you don't have to worry much about putting money into defense and can just rely on a US-backed NATO for defense.
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Postby North German Realm » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:38 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Crowned Republic under a Parliamentary model. I'd prefer to have a mildly nationalist party that provides welfare but doesn't go nuts with the xenophobia (if it's in the EU, I'd prefer it not to be Euroskeptic either)

MILDLY NATIONALIST? Full nationalism is the only way to go and welfare is unessecery.

That's your opinion, and I disagree with it fullheartedly.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:38 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:That’s an opinion.

Reality is an opinion then. The Nordic model is considerably more livable than authoritarians would like.

How? Don’t forget- many advancements were made by noted anti-liberals
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:40 am

Yusseria wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Reality is an opinion then. The Nordic model is considerably more livable than authoritarians would like.

It's easy to do that when you have those sweet petro dollars like Norway does. And also when you don't have to worry much about putting money into defense and can just rely on a US-backed NATO for defense.

Yeah, I hate those countries. It would serve them right when they are invaded by Russia.
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:41 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It could, but that's more lesser jihaad. I was thinking greater jihad which would be more like da'wah.

Jihad sounds like an excuse to steal property.

That's weird considering that under Shari'ah a Muslim would get a hand cut off for theft. Seems you don't know what jihaad is either. Also, how did you get that out of my post, that jihaad = theft?
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Crowned Republic under a Parliamentary model. I'd prefer to have a mildly nationalist party that provides welfare but doesn't go nuts with the xenophobia (if it's in the EU, I'd prefer it not to be Euroskeptic either)

MILDLY NATIONALIST? Full nationalism is the only way to go

Eww
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:and welfare is unessecery.

EWWWSWWWWWW
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:43 am

Yusseria wrote:What's the ideal form of government?

Amin, you need not answer. Everybody knows what you'll say.

There's no such thing as an ideal form of government.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:44 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Jihad sounds like an excuse to steal property.

That's weird considering that under Shari'ah a Muslim would get a hand cut off for theft. Seems you don't know what jihaad is either. Also, how did you get that out of my post, that jihaad = theft?
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:MILDLY NATIONALIST? Full nationalism is the only way to go

Eww
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:and welfare is unessecery.

EWWWSWWWWWW

If you can break into my house and seize stuff for not being a Muslim, that’s basically theft.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:44 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Yusseria wrote:What's the ideal form of government?

Amin, you need not answer. Everybody knows what you'll say.

There's no such thing as an ideal form of government.

Anarchist?
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:45 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:There's no such thing as an ideal form of government.

Anarchist?

Conservative.
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Yusseria
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Postby Yusseria » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:46 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Jihad sounds like an excuse to steal property.

That's weird considering that under Shari'ah a Muslim would get a hand cut off for theft. Seems you don't know what jihaad is either. Also, how did you get that out of my post, that jihaad = theft?
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:MILDLY NATIONALIST? Full nationalism is the only way to go

Eww
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:and welfare is unessecery.

EWWWSWWWWWW

Kind of funny to watch you pretend like you wouldn't be nationalist about your caliphate.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:47 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Anarchist?

Conservative.

What kind? And why is the government bad? I say that at some stage it should be abolished in exchange for a more chaotic right wing system, but you must have some favorite.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:47 am

Yusseria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That's weird considering that under Shari'ah a Muslim would get a hand cut off for theft. Seems you don't know what jihaad is either. Also, how did you get that out of my post, that jihaad = theft?

Eww

EWWWSWWWWWW

Kind of funny to watch you pretend like you wouldn't be nationalist about your caliphate.

Of course he wouldn't. A caliphate is not a nation-state.
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Conservative.

What kind? And why is the government bad? I say that at some stage it should be abolished in exchange for a more chaotic right wing system, but you must have some favorite.

You could always look at my signature, where my political views are clearly stated.

Governments aren't bad. There's no such thing as an ideal form of government, however, because all political systems are created and maintained by human beings. Human beings are inherently flawed, therefore human societies will always be flawed. The best form of government is the one best suited to the circumstances- different systems suit different cultures and societies. This is fundamental conservative philosophy, and you'd know that if you picked up a book by a real conservative philosopher like Burke rather than getting your political opinions from edgy basement dwellers.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:48 am

Yusseria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That's weird considering that under Shari'ah a Muslim would get a hand cut off for theft. Seems you don't know what jihaad is either. Also, how did you get that out of my post, that jihaad = theft?

Eww

EWWWSWWWWWW

Kind of funny to watch you pretend like you wouldn't be nationalist about your caliphate.

Maybe as a question- who here is a nationalist?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:48 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That's weird considering that under Shari'ah a Muslim would get a hand cut off for theft. Seems you don't know what jihaad is either. Also, how did you get that out of my post, that jihaad = theft?

Eww

EWWWSWWWWWW

If you can break into my house and seize stuff for not being a Muslim, that’s basically theft.

1: Then you don't know how jihaad works.
2; Like I said, if I stole a hefty amount, didn't need it, and am found guilty, I'd get my hand cut off.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:49 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:If you can break into my house and seize stuff for not being a Muslim, that’s basically theft.

1: Then you don't know how jihaad works.
2; Like I said, if I stole a hefty amount, didn't need it, and am found guilty, I'd get my hand cut off.

Cutting one hand off seems strange. Why not both?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:51 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: Then you don't know how jihaad works.
2; Like I said, if I stole a hefty amount, didn't need it, and am found guilty, I'd get my hand cut off.

Cutting one hand off seems strange. Why not both?

Because I still need my other hand.
Dang, even in his wrath Allah SWT is merciful, subHaanallah.
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Postby North German Realm » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:52 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: Then you don't know how jihaad works.
2; Like I said, if I stole a hefty amount, didn't need it, and am found guilty, I'd get my hand cut off.

Cutting one hand off seems strange. Why not both?

Because that way there would be no hands to cut off if you stole another time.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:54 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Cutting one hand off seems strange. Why not both?

Because I still need my other hand.
Dang, even in his wrath Allah SWT is merciful, subHaanallah.

"Mercy" is not cutting off a hand for theft.
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Postby Yusseria » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:55 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Cutting one hand off seems strange. Why not both?

Because I still need my other hand.
Dang, even in his wrath Allah SWT is merciful, subHaanallah.

How's it his wrath if people are the ones cutting it off?
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:55 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Cutting one hand off seems strange. Why not both?

Because I still need my other hand.
Dang, even in his wrath Allah SWT is merciful, subHaanallah.

If they were concerned about what you needed, they could do other punishment. I read people used to non fatally rub holes in their head with rocks to treat disease. Perhaps that could be a punishment rather than taking away the ability of one to work?
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