Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Old Tyrannia]

Not really. You believe in a soul which is created at birth and goes to heaven if a fetus dies. There's nothing really tragic about abortion from a Christian perspective.

Christians believe the soul is made at conception, or at least traditional Christians do.

That's not true at all. As far as I am aware only the Roman Catholic Church believes this as doctrine, and it's not a traditional viewpoint at all- it was only promulgated as doctrine in late Medieval times. As late as 1312 the Council of Vienne upheld the doctrine that ensoulment occurs after conception. Of course, the Catholic Church changing its mind is inconsistent with its claim to uphold an unaltered apostolic faith, so it lies and pretends it has always believed that ensoulment occurs at conception.

Regardless, Christians have always upheld elective abortion at any stage to be a sin.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

That's not true at all. As far as I am aware only the Roman Catholic Church believes this as doctrine, and it's not a traditional viewpoint at all- it was only promulgated as doctrine in late Medieval times. As late as 1312 the Council of Vienne upheld the doctrine that ensoulment occurs after conception. Of course, the Catholic Church changing its mind is inconsistent with its claim to uphold an unaltered apostolic faith, so it lies and pretends it has always believed that ensoulment occurs at conception.

Regardless, Christians have always upheld elective abortion at any stage to be a sin.

The Church hasn’t lied nor pretended that this has always been the case, this fact has been open to anyone that cares to look since it came into effect. The doctrine of ensoulment remains the same in essence, a human becomes human once it is has a soul, the doctrine has been clarified with the appearance of new information. I can’t help but laugh when an Anglican accuses the RCC being inconsistent considering the introduction of female priests and gay marriage.

[Dumb Ideologies]

... I feel like we have the same arguments all the time.

Excuse me, I think you'll find it's a cube.

[Old Tyrannia]

That's not true at all. As far as I am aware only the Roman Catholic Church believes this as doctrine, and it's not a traditional viewpoint at all- it was only promulgated as doctrine in late Medieval times. As late as 1312 the Council of Vienne upheld the doctrine that ensoulment occurs after conception. Of course, the Catholic Church changing its mind is inconsistent with its claim to uphold an unaltered apostolic faith, so it lies and pretends it has always believed that ensoulment occurs at conception.

Regardless, Christians have always upheld elective abortion at any stage to be a sin.

The Church hasn’t lied nor pretended that this has always been the case, this fact has been open to anyone that cares to look since it came into effect. The doctrine of ensoulment remains the same in essence, a human becomes human once it is has a soul, the doctrine has been clarified with the appearance of new information. I can’t help but laugh when an Anglican accuses the RCC being inconsistent considering the introduction of female priests and gay marriage.

The difference is that the Church of England doesn't claim to be infallible, or to have maintained the doctrines of the patristic church without fault. Luminesa has consistently held that the Catholic Church has always upheld ensoulment at the point of conception in the past, and IIRC even accused me of lying when I have previously challenged her on it.

[The Feylands]

Could idealism be at the root of all of mankind's problems?

I mean like... upholding the same moral standards all the time without taking reality into account - never compromising etc?

Ofc. I suppose one kinda has to be fair and non-judgemental to acknowledge that according to modern science, I suppose idealism could be a symptom of autism or some other disability.

(I have no trouble with people who are idealistic with their own hobbies or private lives or whatever etc - its when you start applying your ideals to other people you might start making beefs lol)

[Painisia]

Sorry, both some of the proposals by the Neoreactionary movement are just plain ridiculous.

For example, one of its members, Michael Perilloux, wants to make Donald Trump the Supreme Leader of the US and replace the government with The Trump Organization. There is also another one who wants to make Google chairman Eric Schmidt the "CEO of America". So much corporate fetishism.

Then, there is also the ones who uphold transhumanist accelerationism, which is about humans evolving, with the help of superintelligent technology, to the extent where they become so intelligent, that the State will wither away. Some neoreactionaries also uphold eugenics and believes the disparities between human races exists and that egalitarianism is "degenerate". The rejection of egalitarianism has made the Neoreactionary movement indigestible for me.

What in the porky dork world is this? A gathering of wannabe sci-fi writers?

I know that such totalitarian ideas (transhumanism is yummy for most people nowadays) will become popular in the future, but I will not buy such ideas.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

Sorry, both some of the proposals by the Neoreactionary movement are just plain ridiculous.

For example, one of its members, Michael Perilloux, wants to make Donald Trump the Supreme Leader of the US and replace the government with The Trump Organization. There is also another one who wants to make Google chairman Eric Schmidt the "CEO of America". So much corporate fetishism.

Then, there is also the ones who uphold transhumanist accelerationism, which is about humans evolving, with the help of superintelligent technology, to the extent where they become so intelligent, that the State will wither away. Some neoreactionaries also uphold eugenics and believes the disparities between human races exists and that egalitarianism is "degenerate". The rejection of egalitarianism has made the Neoreactionary movement indigestible for me.

What in the porky dork world is this? A gathering of wannabe sci-fi writers?

I know that such totalitarian ideas (transhumanism is yummy for most people nowadays) will become popular in the future, but I will not buy such ideas.

1. Supreme Leader Trump I'm okay with and it sounds awesome. However, Google is super liberal.
2. This is one of the only ways I support scientific research and the state can either away.
As for the eugenics, that's just slander. There's nothing wrong with social Darwin -ism without the racism the nazis put in there. Egalitarianism is just an overly idealistic and stupid way to force people into a different global identity and should be given the finger every time it raises its fangs to hard working people.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

Not really an argument of whataboutism, more an observation about the human condition in general. Also there is no monarchist ideology, there are ideologies which are monarchist.


People don't like dying, Amin. I don't want to wake up and you declare a jihad on my home because Buddhism is shirk.

Someone doesn't know how jihaad works. Also, doesn't Buddhism not believe in Allah SWT or any gods?
Edit: Actually I could do a Halaal jihaad on your home, depending on the kind I'm doing.

Is a Halal Jihad an Islamist SWAT raid by law or does it not work that way?

... I feel like we have the same arguments all the time.

New arguments are revolutionary, and we are reactionary.

Who says you can't have a revolutionary reactionary movement?

[Old Tyrannia]

New arguments are revolutionary, and we are reactionary.

Who says you can't have a revolutionary reactionary movement?

Anyone who knows what they're talking about.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Someone doesn't know how jihaad works. Also, doesn't Buddhism not believe in Allah SWT or any gods?
Edit: Actually I could do a Halaal jihaad on your home, depending on the kind I'm doing.

Is a Halal Jihad an Islamist SWAT raid by law or does it not work that way?

It could, but that's more lesser jihaad. I was thinking greater jihad which would be more like da'wah.

[Duhon]

Excuse me, I think you'll find it's a cube.

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[North German Realm]

Who says you can't have a revolutionary reactionary movement?

Aren't those two kinda the opposite of eachother?

[Salus Maior]

... I feel like we have the same arguments all the time.

That's just NSG for you.

On the RWDT we're talking about Cathars for about the billionth time.

[Duhon]

Sorry, both some of the proposals by the Neoreactionary movement are just plain ridiculous.

For example, one of its members, Michael Perilloux, wants to make Donald Trump the Supreme Leader of the US and replace the government with The Trump Organization. There is also another one who wants to make Google chairman Eric Schmidt the "CEO of America". So much corporate fetishism.

Then, there is also the ones who uphold transhumanist accelerationism, which is about humans evolving, with the help of superintelligent technology, to the extent where they become so intelligent, that the State will wither away. Some neoreactionaries also uphold eugenics and believes the disparities between human races exists and that egalitarianism is "degenerate". The rejection of egalitarianism has made the Neoreactionary movement indigestible for me.

What in the porky dork world is this? A gathering of wannabe sci-fi writers?

I know that such totalitarian ideas (transhumanism is yummy for most people nowadays) will become popular in the future, but I will not buy such ideas.

lol

Also, how is transhumanism inherently totalitarian?

[Communist Zombie Horde]

Who says you can't have a revolutionary reactionary movement?

Aren't those two kinda the opposite of eachother?

Revolutionary fervor and reactionary animosity can go hand in hand.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

Is a Halal Jihad an Islamist SWAT raid by law or does it not work that way?

It could, but that's more lesser jihaad. I was thinking greater jihad which would be more like da'wah.

Jihad sounds like an excuse to steal property.

[Painisia]

Sorry, both some of the proposals by the Neoreactionary movement are just plain ridiculous.

For example, one of its members, Michael Perilloux, wants to make Donald Trump the Supreme Leader of the US and replace the government with The Trump Organization. There is also another one who wants to make Google chairman Eric Schmidt the "CEO of America". So much corporate fetishism.

Then, there is also the ones who uphold transhumanist accelerationism, which is about humans evolving, with the help of superintelligent technology, to the extent where they become so intelligent, that the State will wither away. Some neoreactionaries also uphold eugenics and believes the disparities between human races exists and that egalitarianism is "degenerate". The rejection of egalitarianism has made the Neoreactionary movement indigestible for me.

What in the porky dork world is this? A gathering of wannabe sci-fi writers?

I know that such totalitarian ideas (transhumanism is yummy for most people nowadays) will become popular in the future, but I will not buy such ideas.

lol

Also, how is transhumanism inherently totalitarian?

I was not saying that transhumanism was a totalitarian ideology, but I was referring to those who believed that transhumanism is a tool to achieve the Utopia.

Remember kids, fighting to achieve Utopia might have catastrophes results....

[Yusseria]

What's the ideal form of government?

Amin, you need not answer. Everybody knows what you'll say.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

What's the ideal form of government?

Amin, you need not answer. Everybody knows what you'll say.

Military dictatorship

[Kowani]

What's the ideal form of government?

Amin, you need not answer. Everybody knows what you'll say.

A European style social democracy.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

lol

Also, how is transhumanism inherently totalitarian?

I was not saying that transhumanism was a totalitarian ideology, but I was referring to those who believed that transhumanism is a tool to achieve the Utopia.

Remember kids, fighting to achieve Utopia might have catastrophes results....

Utopias are false while power is an absolute. Transhumanism can further our species.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

What's the ideal form of government?

Amin, you need not answer. Everybody knows what you'll say.

A European style social democracy.

Why?

[Kowani]

A European style social democracy.

Why?

Because the physical quality of life is better.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

What's the ideal form of government?

Amin, you need not answer. Everybody knows what you'll say.

Liberal democracy, with some modifications.

What's the ideal form of government?

Amin, you need not answer. Everybody knows what you'll say.

Military dictatorship

This but ironically.

What's the ideal form of government?

Amin, you need not answer. Everybody knows what you'll say.

A European style social democracy.

They’re good, but they’ve gone too far economically and too weak militarily.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

Why?

Because the physical quality of life is better.

That’s an opinion.