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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Postby Hanafuridake » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:08 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Didn't you claim you couldn't be racist because your great-grandmother was Asian?

That, uh, doesn't make you mixed race.

If Elizabeth Warren can claim Native American ancestry while only being 0.05% native, then he can be called mixed.

(Old meme, but whatever.)


The set up for that joke was the highlight of my day and you ruined it.

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Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
The lesbian couple part is fine, but the rest sounds pretty degenerate.

Yeah, how would lesbians get pregnant so they could get abortions? :blink:


I suppose if America was ruled by futanari warlords.

But enough about my Saturday evenings. :p
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:08 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Yeah, how would lesbians get pregnant so they could get abortions? :blink:

In vitro.

Fair enough.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:09 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Okay, I'll be the monarch if only to abolish the monarchy and given money to the middle and lower classes. It'll be shorter than Catalonia's independence.


Didn't you claim you couldn't be racist because your great-grandmother was Asian?

That, uh, doesn't make you mixed race.

No, that's not why.
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The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:10 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Donald Trump obviously.


Of course not! He is a depraved, immoral man, and not even particularly intelligent!

Sounds like a regular monarch
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:10 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
The lesbian couple part is fine, but the rest sounds pretty degenerate.

Yeah, how would lesbians get pregnant so they could get abortions? :blink:


Well, in all fairness I could tolerate it if they were victims of rape or their lives were threatened, but it would be quite tragic if that were to happen to both of them around the same time.

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:10 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Okay, I'll be the monarch if only to abolish the monarchy and given money to the middle and lower classes. It'll be shorter than Catalonia's independence.

:evil:

Sorry, I needed a reference.
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:12 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Of course not! He is a depraved, immoral man, and not even particularly intelligent!

Sounds like a regular monarch

^
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:13 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Were you thinking specifically of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex?


I would have preferred to be garroted then mistaken for thinking that.


I also thought of Richard von Koudenhove-Kalergi. But he probably would have preferred to be an Emperor of a united Europe.

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:13 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Didn't you claim you couldn't be racist because your great-grandmother was Asian?

That, uh, doesn't make you mixed race.

If Elizabeth Warren can claim Native American ancestry while only being 0.05% native, then he can be called mixed.

(Old meme, but whatever.)

Warren looks really white and is far whiter than I am. She could be lying or there could be inaccurate information because there doesn’t seem to be much proof.
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:14 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Of course not! He is a depraved, immoral man, and not even particularly intelligent!

Sounds like a regular monarch

That’s true. All monarchies should be abolished while the punishment should be based on their actions.
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Postby Novus America » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:15 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Of course not! He is a depraved, immoral man, and not even particularly intelligent!

Sounds like a regular monarch


I actually agree with you on something :o
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:15 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:If Elizabeth Warren can claim Native American ancestry while only being 0.05% native, then he can be called mixed.

(Old meme, but whatever.)

Warren looks really white and is far whiter than I am. She could be lying or there could be inaccurate information because there doesn’t seem to be much proof.

Mormons believe they are Jews, perhaps that is why.
1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:16 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Sounds like a regular monarch

That’s true. All monarchies should be abolished while the punishment should be based on their actions.

Eh, I'd be perfectly fine with a Monarchy if it's purely symbolic.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:16 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Of course not! He is a depraved, immoral man, and not even particularly intelligent!

Sounds like a regular monarch


This is completely false slander. Most monarchs are intelligent or morally upright if not both.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:17 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Yeah, how would lesbians get pregnant so they could get abortions? :blink:


Well, in all fairness I could tolerate it if they were victims of rape or their lives were threatened, but it would be quite tragic if that were to happen to both of them around the same time.


Not really. You believe in a soul which is created at birth and goes to heaven if a fetus dies. There's nothing really tragic about abortion from a Christian perspective.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:19 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Well, in all fairness I could tolerate it if they were victims of rape or their lives were threatened, but it would be quite tragic if that were to happen to both of them around the same time.


Not really. You believe in a soul which is created at birth and goes to heaven if a fetus dies. There's nothing really tragic about abortion from a Christian perspective.

The fetus getting aborted is before birth though.
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:19 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Sounds like a regular monarch


This is completely false slander. Most monarchs are intelligent or morally upright if not both.


On the contrary those who were both morally upright and intelligent were historically rare.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:20 pm

Novus America wrote:
Duhon wrote:
There is no conceivable non-nuclear scenario where a united ummah can threaten American hegemony -- though it might well give Israel, Zionist or not, the boot.


There is no non nuclear scenario that gives Israel the boot.

Of course there is no conceivable scenario (regardless of nuclear or not) in which Islam is united either.

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Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Damn, I hate Islam but the ottoman empire sure was cool.


Don't make me call the Poles.

>Implying Poles would fight agaisnt the Ottos
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The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Genivaria wrote:And you would do what with it?
Create a great fleet of tanks or planes? With what industry?
With what steel?

Why would that be required to hegemony?

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Novus America wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Why would that be required to hegemony?


Global hegemony requires more than just oil.
Not that Islamic countries have a monopoly on oil.
Not that Islam could feasibly unite into one country anyways.

Al-Islam is a religion, not a group of people, of course it can't unite.
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Yes, let us completely ignore the Muslims of sub-Saharan Africa, Indonesia and the Indian subcontinent.

A lot of that was due to colonialism. Ultimately the Ottoman Empire was destroyed by western efforts.

I mean, they did also mess themselves up too. It was internal and external pressure that defeated the Ottoman Empire.
Bienenhalde wrote:Anyway, if the USA were to institute a monarchy, would it be better for the ruler to come from an established Old World dynasty, or should it be someone from here in America?

Here in America.
Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:I actually don't think that America should institute a monarchy, since that would clash with the Constitution quite a lot, but assuming that it did, the best solution would probably be an Old World Dynasty. Perhaps a mixed race royal since that would avoid ethnic favoritism.

Though, if America established a monarchy it wouldn't last long. At best, political party X would disband it after a couple of months of filibustering or at worst the nation will devolve into bloody revolution as they refuse to have an unsecular institution in their secular government.

not american so please correct if wrong

I'm not a secularist so I wouldn't care, just as long as I can practice my deen freely and fully I'm gucci. ;)
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:If Elizabeth Warren can claim Native American ancestry while only being 0.05% native, then he can be called mixed.

(Old meme, but whatever.)

Warren looks really white and is far whiter than I am. She could be lying or there could be inaccurate information because there doesn’t seem to be much proof.

0.05% Indigenous American ancestry isn't gonna show up phenotypically speaking.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:20 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Not really. You believe in a soul which is created at birth and goes to heaven if a fetus dies. There's nothing really tragic about abortion from a Christian perspective.


According to that logic, we should have no concern for human life in general. But I would rather not argue about this right now, to be honest.

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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:20 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
What is wrong with anime though? I mean, some of it has immoral or blasphemous content which ought to be censored, but the same thing could be said for much of western media.


It's literally worse than porn and turns people gay, it's un-Christian!

Probably depends on the level of consumption.
1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


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Postby Hanafuridake » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:21 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Not really. You believe in a soul which is created at birth and goes to heaven if a fetus dies. There's nothing really tragic about abortion from a Christian perspective.

The fetus getting aborted is before birth though.


Most religious people I know don't believe that ensoulment happens at birth. They follow the Creationist doctrine, which is that God creates the soul at conception. There are some rare Traducians, but they're mostly extinct, iirc.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:22 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Sounds like a regular monarch


This is completely false slander. Most monarchs are intelligent or morally upright if not both.

What kind of monarchs are you talking about? The ones from fairy tales.

Just look at any history book, William the Conqueror, The Habsburgs, The Saudi dynasty, the various dynasties of China, Spain, Leopold ii, Viking Warlords, The HRE Duchies, etc, what do they all have in common? Human rights abuses. Burning down villages, killing for the simplest of crimes, committing war crimes, crusades, inquisitions, Jihads, Colonization, Imperialism, Censorship, Rape, Incest, Murder, Abuse of the Lower Class for wealth, and corruption.


And those are just the crimes and criminals I can name off the top of my head.
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:22 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Sounds like a regular monarch


This is completely false slander. Most monarchs are intelligent or morally upright if not both.

Today I learned reactionaries literally believe in fairy tales.
1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


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Postby Hanafuridake » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:24 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Not really. You believe in a soul which is created at birth and goes to heaven if a fetus dies. There's nothing really tragic about abortion from a Christian perspective.


According to that logic, we should have no concern for human life in general. But I would rather not argue about this right now, to be honest.


I would dispute that because at the point of conception, a fetus has no feelings or identity, and therefore, abortion would not be akin to not having concern for a fully conscious person's life. But fair enough. It's honestly a topic which gets boring after awhile.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:26 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Well, in all fairness I could tolerate it if they were victims of rape or their lives were threatened, but it would be quite tragic if that were to happen to both of them around the same time.


Not really. You believe in a soul which is created at birth and goes to heaven if a fetus dies. There's nothing really tragic about abortion from a Christian perspective.

Christians believe the soul is made at conception, or at least traditional Christians do.
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