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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:20 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Damn, I hate Islam but the ottoman empire sure was cool.

Now the House of Saud has all the influence because of England

Iran's pretty close on them too.
We really unity...
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The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:28 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Now the House of Saud has all the influence because of England

Iran's pretty close on them too.
We really unity...

True but Iran is mostly limited to Shia Islam.

The western powers are opposed to Islamic unity because it threatens both Zionism and American hegemony.
1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:29 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Damn, I hate Islam but the ottoman empire sure was cool.

Now the House of Saud has all the influence because of England


The Hashemites should have stayed in charge of Iraq, Syria and the Hejaz.
The House of Saud went bad the day they decided to cozy up with the Wahhabis.
Wahhabism must be destroyed.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.
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Western Vale Confederacy
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Posts: 9211
Founded: Nov 09, 2014
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:36 pm

Novus America wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Now the House of Saud has all the influence because of England


The Hashemites should have stayed in charge of Iraq, Syria and the Hejaz.
The House of Saud went bad the day they decided to cozy up with the Wahhabis.
Wahhabism must be destroyed.


This but unironically.

Besides, the Hashemites are far more legitimate than the Sauds could ever fucking hope to be.
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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:41 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The Hashemites should have stayed in charge of Iraq, Syria and the Hejaz.
The House of Saud went bad the day they decided to cozy up with the Wahhabis.
Wahhabism must be destroyed.


This but unironically.

Besides, the Hashemites are far more legitimate than the Sauds could ever fucking hope to be.


Make Saudi Arabia Nejd again!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Najd#/m ... Arabia.svg
Everything north and west (and most the Non Kurdish areas of Iraq and Syria) too should all go to Jordan as a United Arab Kingdom.

The Eastern Provinces go to the UAE.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.
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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:57 pm

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=452262&p=35368055#p35368055
I found some brutal insult towards this great bunch of people- only one person has hailed Hitler so far that I know of. Totally unnecessary and disrespectful- do all leftists attack the right with these starw men?
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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:01 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Damn, I hate Islam but the ottoman empire sure was cool.

Now the House of Saud has all the influence because of England

Uk is the boring most country in the whole world.
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Yusseria
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Postby Yusseria » Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:13 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:Since we're on the topic of religions, whats the overall consensus on the Crusades? My opinions I think should be obvious.

A justifiable response to Islamic aggression and they didn't go far enough.
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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:15 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Since we're on the topic of religions, whats the overall consensus on the Crusades? My opinions I think should be obvious.

A justifiable response to Islamic aggression and they didn't go far enough.

Could you teach me about the national syndjcalist ideology
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Duhon
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Founded: Nov 21, 2018
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Postby Duhon » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:32 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Iran's pretty close on them too.
We really unity...

True but Iran is mostly limited to Shia Islam.

The western powers are opposed to Islamic unity because it threatens both Zionism and American hegemony.


There is no conceivable non-nuclear scenario where a united ummah can threaten American hegemony -- though it might well give Israel, Zionist or not, the boot.
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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:53 pm

Duhon wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:True but Iran is mostly limited to Shia Islam.

The western powers are opposed to Islamic unity because it threatens both Zionism and American hegemony.


There is no conceivable non-nuclear scenario where a united ummah can threaten American hegemony -- though it might well give Israel, Zionist or not, the boot.


There is no non nuclear scenario that gives Israel the boot.

Of course there is no conceivable scenario (regardless of nuclear or not) in which Islam is united either.
Last edited by Novus America on Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Posts: 9488
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:56 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Since we're on the topic of religions, whats the overall consensus on the Crusades? My opinions I think should be obvious.

A justifiable response to Islamic aggression and they didn't go far enough.

They might have gone a bit too far in a few places.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Founded: Aug 08, 2011
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:01 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Yusseria wrote:A justifiable response to Islamic aggression and they didn't go far enough.

They might have gone a bit too far in a few places.


Only the 4th crusade did.
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Salus Maior
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Founded: Jun 16, 2014
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:19 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Damn, I hate Islam but the ottoman empire sure was cool.


Don't make me call the Poles.
Traditionalist Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist, Habsburg Nostalgic, Distributist, Disillusioned Millennial.

"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:20 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:They might have gone a bit too far in a few places.


Only the 4th crusade did.


The 4th Crusade wasn't even a licit crusade imo.

The Pope had already excommunicated the involved crusaders well before they sacked Constantinople.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum
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Hanafuridake
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Founded: Sep 09, 2018
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:21 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=452262&p=35368055#p35368055
I found some brutal insult towards this great bunch of people- only one person has hailed Hitler so far that I know of. Totally unnecessary and disrespectful- do all leftists attack the right with these starw men?


I'm fairly certain that I'm more right-wing than you, friend. At least, my traditions are actually real, in contrast to whatever the Dark Enlightenment peddles.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:24 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Only the 4th crusade did.


The 4th Crusade wasn't even a licit crusade imo.

The Pope had already excommunicated the involved crusaders well before they sacked Constantinople.


The 4th Crusade would be one of those wonderfully funny bits of history if it wasn't so awful.

Stupid Venetians.
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The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket
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Founded: Mar 28, 2019
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:25 pm

Duhon wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:True but Iran is mostly limited to Shia Islam.

The western powers are opposed to Islamic unity because it threatens both Zionism and American hegemony.


There is no conceivable non-nuclear scenario where a united ummah can threaten American hegemony -- though it might well give Israel, Zionist or not, the boot.

Oil
1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


Read the Qur'an!
Introduction to Islam through understanding the Qur'an
Why Islam?
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Washington Resistance Army
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Founded: Aug 08, 2011
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:26 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Duhon wrote:
There is no conceivable non-nuclear scenario where a united ummah can threaten American hegemony -- though it might well give Israel, Zionist or not, the boot.

Oil


That would unironically be a great outcome for us because it would cripple the oil industry and cause a massive investment drive into renewables.
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The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:30 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Oil


That would unironically be a great outcome for us because it would cripple the oil industry and cause a massive investment drive into renewables.

Ivestment funded by petrodollars
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1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


Read the Qur'an!
Introduction to Islam through understanding the Qur'an
Why Islam?
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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:35 pm

America should become Confucian and choose an Emperor, change my mind.
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The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket
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Founded: Mar 28, 2019
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:37 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:America should become Confucian and choose an Emperor, change my mind.

Why
1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


Read the Qur'an!
Introduction to Islam through understanding the Qur'an
Why Islam?
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Yusseria
Minister
 
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Founded: Feb 02, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Yusseria » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:38 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Yusseria wrote:A justifiable response to Islamic aggression and they didn't go far enough.

They might have gone a bit too far in a few places.

Only the 4th.

Damn Venetians.
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Founded: Jun 13, 2018
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:39 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:America should become Confucian and choose an Emperor, change my mind.

I’m afraid that can’t be done. Not because there are no reasons you are so wrong, but because you can’t even be moved to slightly change your view.

The entire world should adopt my religious beliefs and become theocratic (despite that being contradictory), change my mind.
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Novus America
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Founded: Jun 02, 2014
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Postby Novus America » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:41 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Duhon wrote:
There is no conceivable non-nuclear scenario where a united ummah can threaten American hegemony -- though it might well give Israel, Zionist or not, the boot.

Oil


Heh. The biggest oil producer is actually the US.
We import only a small percentage of our oil, and most of that from Canada.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.
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