Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Valrifell]

What about Alexander IV and Megas Alexandros' plans for 1) the worship of Zeus-Ammon and himself throughout his Empire 2) conquests of the Mediterranean Basin and circumnavigation of Africa?

I'm thinking we would keep the first, but after his death the second is rejected as unfeasible by his successors and the focus becomes holding the empire together.

For any lore, you should include whatever prophecy Megas Alexandros was going to tell his mother that he discovered in Siwa. I also think that there would have been no talking Megas Alexandros out of invading the likes of Carthage and a fledgling Roman state, this is the same guy who marched through the desert (killing a lot of his army) on his way back to Macedon just to prove he could. The circumnavigation of Africa could be a convenient excuse as to why he's no longer in the picture. I don't know, I just fantasize daily about if he lived up to his own hype.

[United Muscovite Nations]

What's the status of Rome in this alternate timeline? Is it a rival Republic to the west, or a part of Alexander's Empire?

The Alexandrian Empire would still be at its same size, all other powers outside of it could be either historical like Rome or Carthage, or could be created by a player with its strength determined by rolling a D20 to prevent a player from godmodding.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I'm thinking we would keep the first, but after his death the second is rejected as unfeasible by his successors and the focus becomes holding the empire together.

For any lore, you should include whatever prophecy Megas Alexandros was going to tell his mother that he discovered in Siwa. I also think that there would have been no talking Megas Alexandros out of invading the likes of Carthage and a fledgling Roman state, this is the same guy who marched through the desert (killing a lot of his army) on his way back to Macedon just to prove he could. The circumnavigation of Africa could be a convenient excuse as to why he's no longer in the picture. I don't know, I just fantasize daily about if he lived up to his own hype.

We could say that he wrote a will as to what to do in the even of his death, then tried to lead an expedition to circumnavigate Africa and disappeared without a trace. We could even have a kind of messianic thing in the cult of Alexander that says he will one day return to lead his empire into eternity.

[Hanafuridake]

Ram... get the war elephant.

[Greater Westralia]

The Alexandrian Empire would still be at its same size, all other powers outside of it could be either historical like Rome or Carthage, or could be created by a player with its strength determined by rolling a D20 to prevent a player from godmodding.

If I'm assuming correctly, the year would be 127 AD (450 years after Alexander's death). IRL, the Roman Empire would be under Hadrian and extend over most of Western Europe. With a massive rival to the East, do you think the Republic could expand to its historical borders? Or exist as a minor state.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The Alexandrian Empire would still be at its same size, all other powers outside of it could be either historical like Rome or Carthage, or could be created by a player with its strength determined by rolling a D20 to prevent a player from godmodding.

If I'm assuming correctly, the year would be 127 AD (450 years after Alexander's death). IRL, the Roman Empire would be under Hadrian and extend over most of Western Europe. With a massive rival to the East, do you think the Republic could expand to its historical borders? Or exist as a minor state.

Something like the Punic Wars could happen as historically, but I'm thinking there would be a major Roman defeat during an invasion of Greece.

[Greater Westralia]

Something like the Punic Wars could happen as historically, but I'm thinking there would be a major Roman defeat during an invasion of Greece.

Would Rome be a republic or empire?

My own sympathies lean towards a republic, but it depends on your lore.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Something like the Punic Wars could happen as historically, but I'm thinking there would be a major Roman defeat during an invasion of Greece.

Would Rome be a republic or empire?

My own sympathies lean towards a republic, but it depends on your lore.

Republic.

[Valrifell]

For any lore, you should include whatever prophecy Megas Alexandros was going to tell his mother that he discovered in Siwa. I also think that there would have been no talking Megas Alexandros out of invading the likes of Carthage and a fledgling Roman state, this is the same guy who marched through the desert (killing a lot of his army) on his way back to Macedon just to prove he could. The circumnavigation of Africa could be a convenient excuse as to why he's no longer in the picture. I don't know, I just fantasize daily about if he lived up to his own hype.

We could say that he wrote a will as to what to do in the even of his death, then tried to lead an expedition to circumnavigate Africa and disappeared without a trace. We could even have a kind of messianic thing in the cult of Alexander that says he will one day return to lead his empire into eternity.

Well, keep in mind that if the setting is 450 years after his death, you're allowed some leeway with how the preceding years play out. I think it's more reasonable to say Alexander IV got the reigns of the Empire, sucked, and had to give the real power away. Making the Argead Emperor nothing more of a figurehead acting as de jure leader of the Diodochi, which could also lead to some interesting play with Alexander the 17th (or whatever) seeking to re-centralize.

Also, Megas Alexandros will return one day, I-I swear ;-;

[United Muscovite Nations]

I also have an idea for politics, specifically, military politics, which I already spent a while thinking of:

Basically, each Diadochi is supposed to have 70,000 troops, with 17,500 being the Agema (I'll spare you the exact composition of the Agema until the OOC when it becomes important). The rest of the troops that you get automatically at the start are regular troops (again, composition can wait). But that's not the interesting part

The interesting part for the political situation will be the auxiliary troops. While the Agema and Regulars are loyal to each Diadochi in practice, in theory they are loyal to the empire as a whole, and can be influenced by that; however, Auxiliary troops will always be loyal to the Diadoch personally, because he is the one paying them directly out his own coffers, so if you want to recruit a shitload of Auxiliaries you can, but there's a price.

Bascially, as the prestige of the Auxiliaries increases, the prestige of the Agema and regulars decreases. The more prestige the auxiliaries get, the less loyal the Agema and regulars get
Eventually, if you do something like practically relegate your Agema and Regulars to reserve duty, and do conquests, win battles, or make bodyguard units with your auxiliaries, you get a greater risk of your Agema or regulars revolting

It also would create modifiers in whether your army will side with you should you make a bid to unite the entire empire.

So, for example, there would be a scale of 1-100 for the loyalty of both the Agema and the Regular army, with each group having actions that will either increase or decrease its loyalty (e.g. placing the auxiliaries in a prestigious position in a battle might decrease the loyalty of the Agema, which should occupy that place, by 10), and once the loyalty gets to 50 (from a starting 100), you have to do a saving throw of a D20 to avoid things like palace coups or mutinies in the army, if it reaches 0, you can't avoid a revolt and actually have to fight your army using your auxiliaries. However, as a reward for this hardship, should your end up replacing your official army with auxiliaries following something like this, restrictions on troop recruitment would no longer apply to that Diadochi.

[Husseinarti]

Theat is the goal of an insurgency effort yes
Create an environment in which conflict against your force becomes unsavory and unattainable for the conventional force you are fighting, and then use conventional assets or backing to create victory
or
Fight the conventional occupation force into retreat, delay, or disorder, and use this to your advantage in driving them out

Vietnam was won when the United States was driven out by the insurgent VC utilizing unconventional means. By removing the Superpower from one side, the PLAVN still had their two in the Soviet Union and Peoples Republic of China, and against them South Vietnam was powerless to resist.
The united states had fought a lesser known insurgent operations in the years before Vietnam became involved: Operation: Powerpack, which was not Americas first Foray into fighting an interesting insurgent operation, but it was their first that had quick success. The US planners felt that, through PowerPack, lessons could be applied to the developing situation in VietNam.
This was their critical mistake. They should have looked at their previous efforts. It was as a result of this optimism that the US began down the long path of failure, which was almost certainly only going to lead to failure. And it did, and it came with the same thing all the other conflicts of this nature come with: War crimes, political tension, scandals, and failure after failure when on paper it seems like you should be winning. And the US won the overwhelming majority of engagements it faced in Vietnam as it did in Korea, the Philippines, Cuba, Hawaii, and China. But it would loose in Vietnam because it assumed too much that overwhelming force would win the day, as it had in Costa Rica.


That is what the point of "you never really win a counter insurgency" is. Its an intentionally hyperbolic statement not meant to be taken literally-the costs associated with preforming a COIN effort are great. they have always been, and will always be, and have lasting impact on both parties of the conflict. The man who originally said that line, Gen. Campbell, had been fighting a COIN effort his whole career. He entered the Army two years before the Vietnam study papers would be published, spent great amounts of time planning around the Vietnam conflict- and was in leadership roles in the ISAF for 10 years. Hes got a lot to say about COINs as does every other CXO whos ever fought one, including the Soviet General Staff, who were so enamored over the United States failure in Vietnam, that they felt the need to duplicate itA, so they went to Afghanistan, and had their own war. Then they went ahead and wrote a 788 page report on it that details the conflict in terrifying minutiae thats so good, youre required to read it as a year 1 at the Kirov Academy of Military Sciences and the A. Frunz Academy of Military Intelligence. Unsurprisingly, it concludes the same thing-A counter insurgency most typically results in a net loss for all involved and, where appropriate, must be stopped, but if a conflict can be avoided, should be avoided

They would go on to ignore their own advice and make me sit on Mountains for like 18 years but im not salty about that



The United State made it "their" war about as much as it makes any other post-WWII war their war. The difference was Walter Cronkites agenda was being beamed by the magic of Television directly into millions of Americans homes to display the fighting men of America dying for a nation that wasn't even registering in most peoples brains. All people knew was that Jimmy from down the road was killed in Vietnam last week, Tommy came home without a hand, and Frank decided he liked the fighting and when he came home never really stopped, until the Alcohol stopped him. That was what VietNam did to America.

Again making it “our” war was again a fundamental mistake.
COIN is never “our” war unless the rebellion is within our nation.

And it was a drastically different situation than WWII.
WWII was our war because we were actually attacked.

And had South Vietnam survived it would not have been regarded as a defeat, even if by failing to establish our objectives properly it would not really be a victory.

And sure, yes I agree we screwed the whole thing up from the get go.

LBJ has no idea what the hell he was doing. Nixon did, but came in too late.
The political damage was already bad enough.
Nixon’s entire strategy was about no longer making it our war. Hence the name Vietnamization.
Had Nixon been elected president in 64 we would probably would not have lost.

But alas that is not what happened.

"That wasn't real Communism! My own personal, snowflake brand of Communism would work!"

It wasn't a real insurgency! My own personal, snowflake brand of insurgency would have been defeated!

[Germanic Templars]

For those wondering, new imperial era will start on May 1st and will be called the Reiwa (令和) era.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-47769566

[Kowani]

And what exactly are you aiming at here? Becoming a robot with no human emotions?

> Becoming a robot with no human emotions

I mean that would be ideal, if I'm to be completely honest. Dispassion is the proper state of a virtuous being. I find that the Stoics had (generally) the right idea in this case.

Wow, we actually agree on something, although I suspect our motivation differs quite a bit.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

For those wondering, new imperial era will start on May 1st and will be called the Reiwa (令和) era.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-47769566

Obligatory 天皇陛下万歳 goeth here.

[Totally Not OEP]

For those wondering, new imperial era will start on May 1st and will be called the Reiwa (令和) era.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-47769566

Well at least we now know what to call the new era of Godzilla movies.

[Totally Not OEP]

The PewDiePie vs T-Series matter was the last gasp of the old European order born in Vienna in 1815 and which collapsed during the Second World War.

F

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

The PewDiePie vs T-Series matter was the last gasp of the old European order born in Vienna in 1815 and which collapsed during the Second World War.

F

Screaming at Amnesia is an important aspect of European culture.

[Yusseria]

The 19th and 17th Amendments were both mistakes.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

The 19th Amendments was a mistake.

Unoriginal hot take.

[Yusseria]

Lads, nothing will make you appreciate Westerm civilization quite like visiting Rome.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

Lads, nothing will make you appreciate Westerm civilization quite like visiting Rome.

Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood was great

[Greater Westralia]

Lads, nothing will make you appreciate Westerm civilization quite like visiting Rome.

For me it was quite the opposite actually. Rome is overhyped and overcrowded.

Greece however... ahh, now that's civilisation.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

Lads, nothing will make you appreciate Westerm civilization quite like visiting Rome.

For me it was quite the opposite actually. Rome is overhyped and overcrowded.

Greece however... ahh, now that's civilisation.

The extensive credit system was truly a revolutiin.

[Yusseria]

Lads, nothing will make you appreciate Westerm civilization quite like visiting Rome.

For me it was quite the opposite actually. Rome is overhyped and overcrowded.

Greece however... ahh, now that's civilisation.

Spoken like someone who's never visited Palatine Hill.

[Greater Westralia]

Spoken like someone who's never visited Palatine Hill.

You're right actually, never been there.