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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:37 pm

Hardholm wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Said the Protestant-in-denial.

So what do you believe? "Anti-Denominationalism" I know, but doctrinally what do you believe? About the sacraments (or lack thereof), etc.


It would take a long time to lay out the entirety of Christianity wouldn't it? I am not even being unironic when I suggest just sitting down and studying the New Testament for a good lay of the land.

But let's just hit a few cornerstones.

I believe in the Trinity. Salvation through faith, but works and fruits as an expression of faith. Jesus was born of a virgin, God in human flesh, lived a sinless life, died as a perfect sacrifice for all sins of all those who lived or would ever live, ressurected 3 days later, and now sits at the right hand of the Father. Any who embrace that salvation and are born again will go to Heaven when they die.

There's so much more but there's the basis of it, right?

Anyway, no, not a Prot. My faith is derived from the New Testament and discernment that God has provided to read His Word. I feel like most everyone depends on someone else to tell them what they believe.

Narrow is the way, I guess.


So, like literally all Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox, then.

Also, you pretty much said an uber simplified Nicene Creed.

We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."

You're acting like you're somehow unique in what you believe, but you're not. Do you not think all Christians are seeking God like you do? Or are you supposedly the chosen one because you slap a nonsensical name on it?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:42 pm

Discussing the REAL issues with a friend of mine, I decided that I'm going to run in 2020 to resolve the biggest issue facing the nation.

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IT'S OUR BAY; ANNEX THE PARTS WRONGFULLY STOLEN BY VIRGINIA NOW

VIRGINIA NEEDS TO PAY WAR REPARATIONS FOR MARYLAND SONS LOST FIGHTING FOR THE GLORIOUS UNION
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:48 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Discussing the REAL issues with a friend of mine, I decided that I'm going to run in 2020 to resolve the biggest issue facing the nation.

ALL OF THE CHESAPEAKE RIGHTLY BELONGS TO MARYLAND

IT'S OUR BAY; ANNEX THE PARTS WRONGFULLY STOLEN BY VIRGINIA NOW

VIRGINIA NEEDS TO PAY WAR REPARATIONS FOR MARYLAND SONS LOST FIGHTING FOR THE GLORIOUS UNION


Oh yeah, doesn't Virginia have that one weird bit at the end of Maryland?

Almost as bad as Michigan.
Traditionalist Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist, Habsburg Nostalgic, Distributist, Disillusioned Millennial.

"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby Hardholm » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:50 pm

Interesting since what little I said cuts out all Catholics, Unitarians, Orthodox, Calvinists, and anyone who insists on repping a denomination. But okay :)
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:50 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Discussing the REAL issues with a friend of mine, I decided that I'm going to run in 2020 to resolve the biggest issue facing the nation.

ALL OF THE CHESAPEAKE RIGHTLY BELONGS TO MARYLAND

IT'S OUR BAY; ANNEX THE PARTS WRONGFULLY STOLEN BY VIRGINIA NOW

VIRGINIA NEEDS TO PAY WAR REPARATIONS FOR MARYLAND SONS LOST FIGHTING FOR THE GLORIOUS UNION


Only 1861 kids will understand this reference.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:56 pm

Hardholm wrote:Interesting since what little I said cuts out all Catholics, Unitarians, Orthodox, Calvinists, and anyone who insists on repping a denomination. But okay :)


All of those denominations, in their belief, represent various interpretations of Scripture, just like what you think you're doing. Most of them are wrong, of course, but that's because they've separated themselves from the tradition that created scripture and compiled the Bible.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:00 pm

Hot Take: I can legitimately understand why a Christian might hold unitarian or universalist views, and respect that. I cannot however support Christians who participate in the "church" that basically has denied its Christian heritage, and practice (Unitarian Universalism). The damned thing even considers itself a "liberal religion" basically cutting any connections it once had to Christendom.
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Hardholm
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Postby Hardholm » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:01 pm

Catholicism officially teaches that people can go to heaven without accepting Christ, that infants might not make it to Heaven without being baptized, and disregards the concept of "All have fallen short of the glory of God", disregards the complete nature of the Bible, and ignores or brazenly defies countless other points of Scripture.

I encourage you to revisit your Bible, just you and God, and to search it over for a while.
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Anthem: Deep Roots
Pro: Cultural Nationalism, Traditionalism, Reactionary, Stratocracy, Theonomy, Hobbes
Neutral: Monarchy, Distributism, Economic Liberalism, Dominionism, Fascism, Israel
Anti: Leftism, Anarchism, Secularism, Islamism, Racialism, Theocracy, Democracy

Political Compass:
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 7

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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:03 pm

Proposed poll - Favorite Eastern Philosophy

Confucianism
Legalism
Taoism
Mohism
Yangism/Carvaka
Advaita
Kyoto School
Other/none
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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:03 pm

Hardholm wrote:Your denomination officially teaches that people can go to heaven without accepting Christ, that infants might not make it to Heaven without being baptized, and disregards the concept of "All have fallen short of the glory of God", disregards the complete nature of the Bible, and ignores or brazenly defies countless other points of Scripture.

I encourage you to revisit your Bible, just you and God, and to search it over for a while.

I would encourage you to quote which person in specific you are addressing to avoid confusion.
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Postby Minzerland II » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:04 pm

Why don’t you take this to the CDT?
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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:05 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:Proposed poll - Favorite Eastern Philosophy

Confucianism
Legalism
Taoism
Mohism
Yangism/Carvaka
Advaita
Kyoto School
Other/none


Well knowing you Rei, you might just end up couping the thread and establishing universal dominion under Heaven.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:06 pm

Minzerland II wrote:Why don’t you take this to the CDT?

I mean true it belongs there, but at the same time, I couldn't tell who Hardholm was addressing.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:10 pm

Benuty wrote:Hot Take: I can legitimately understand why a Christian might hold unitarian or universalist views, and respect that. I cannot however support Christians who participate in the "church" that basically has denied its Christian heritage, and practice (Unitarian Universalism). The damned thing even considers itself a "liberal religion" basically cutting any connections it once had to Christendom.


Unitarian Universalism is... strange. I once had a Universalist (seriously) ask me point blank what I thought about the idea that Jesus and Buddha were the same person. I didn't really know how else to respond other than to blurt out both died five hundred years apart from each other, making it pretty hard for Jesus to secretly be Buddha or vice versa. But then again, we've never seen them in the same place.
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Postby Hardholm » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:10 pm

Sorry, it was mostly just the two of us for a time. I edited to make it more clear. Thanks.

Anyway, to the threads topical discussion, a right-wing country, or any country in general, retrieves its laws from some concept of reality which in turn retrieves it ultimately from a religion.
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Neutral: Monarchy, Distributism, Economic Liberalism, Dominionism, Fascism, Israel
Anti: Leftism, Anarchism, Secularism, Islamism, Racialism, Theocracy, Democracy

Political Compass:
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 7

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Postby Minzerland II » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:16 pm

Benuty wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:Why don’t you take this to the CDT?

I mean true it belongs there, but at the same time, I couldn't tell who Hardholm was addressing.

No problem, I was referring to the discussion in general, no one in particular.
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Postby Confederate States of German America » Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:11 am

For all you young ones not yet in College, I highly recommend you join a Frat when you do get into University. Outside of the partying and drinking, the root of Greek life is very consistent with values that will serve you well in life.

Also, for those wondering, it's Day 10.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:02 am

Confederate States of German America wrote:For all you young ones not yet in College, I highly recommend you join a Frat when you do get into University. Outside of the partying and drinking, the root of Greek life is very consistent with values that will serve you well in life.

Also, for those wondering, it's Day 10.


My friend keeps insisting that I join her sorority but those organizations seem more trouble than what they're worth.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:24 am

Confederate States of German America wrote:For all you young ones not yet in College, I highly recommend you join a Frat when you do get into University. Outside of the partying and drinking, the root of Greek life is very consistent with values that will serve you well in life.

Also, for those wondering, it's Day 10.

Considering all the scandals they've been in, along with the drinking, nah I'm good.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:36 am

Confederate States of German America wrote:For all you young ones not yet in College, I highly recommend you join a Frat when you do get into University. Outside of the partying and drinking, the root of Greek life is very consistent with values that will serve you well in life.

Also, for those wondering, it's Day 10.

Nah, all that alcohol is not to my taste. Also, all the values seem to be repeated cases of rape after rape, so I’m good.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:44 am

Kowani wrote:
Confederate States of German America wrote:For all you young ones not yet in College, I highly recommend you join a Frat when you do get into University. Outside of the partying and drinking, the root of Greek life is very consistent with values that will serve you well in life.

Also, for those wondering, it's Day 10.

Nah, all that alcohol is not to my taste. Also, all the values seem to be repeated cases of rape after rape, so I’m good.


Fraternities are extremely hypermasculine and homoerotic while coming up with elaborate reasons for why it isn't gay.

They don't call it the Greek life for nothing.
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Postby Aellex » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:47 am

Hanafuridake wrote:Proposed poll - Favorite Eastern Philosophy

Confucianism
Legalism
Taoism
Mohism
Yangism/Carvaka
Advaita
Kyoto School
Other/none

>not including BaiShangdi Hui
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:53 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Kowani wrote:Nah, all that alcohol is not to my taste. Also, all the values seem to be repeated cases of rape after rape, so I’m good.


Fraternities are extremely hypermasculine and homoerotic while coming up with elaborate reasons for why it isn't gay.

They don't call it the Greek life for nothing.

Lol you just reminded me of this joke that goes around my school: "it's not gay if you're wearing socks" :rofl:
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Postby Aellex » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:56 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Confederate States of German America wrote:For all you young ones not yet in College, I highly recommend you join a Frat when you do get into University. Outside of the partying and drinking, the root of Greek life is very consistent with values that will serve you well in life.

Also, for those wondering, it's Day 10.


My friend keeps insisting that I join her sorority but those organizations seem more trouble than what they're worth.

They're for the most part rather fucking degenerate shitteries without actual tradition nor substance.
An handful who just stole the European student associations ones' (like the Faluche or Goliarda) are more or less decent but the others are just bad excuses for people wanting to shit waste themselves.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:08 am

Confederate States of German America wrote:For all you young ones not yet in College, I highly recommend you join a Frat when you do get into University. Outside of the partying and drinking, the root of Greek life is very consistent with values that will serve you well in life.

Also, for those wondering, it's Day 10.


Go to a school with a Corps of Cadets instead. You get the camerderie and all but with guns and swords instead of alcohol.
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