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Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:58 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Just a note: I am not racist against Chinese and I have proof. Certain users seem to be implying others hate Chinese and that is not true. My great grandmother was Chinese and I do not hate any race.


I have absolutely no opinion on whether or not you are racist, nor do I care, but if you want to convince other people, the “I have black friends” card is not the best argument to make.
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Uiiop
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Uiiop » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:00 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Just a note: I am not racist against Chinese and I have proof. Certain users seem to be implying others hate Chinese and that is not true. My great grandmother was Chinese and I do not hate any race.


I have absolutely no opinion on whether or not you are racist, nor do I care, but if you want to convince other people, the “I have black friends” card is not the best argument to make.

It's that and the "I'm 1% black" card. /pedantry
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Bear Stearns
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Capitalizt

Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:27 pm

So Jeb Bush is still bitter he was denied the turn a President he felt he was entitled to? Maybe he would have had more success if he had paid less attention to donors and more attention to why he wanted to be president and communicating that. I like the Bushes, even admire them, but for the life of me I listened to Jeb and could not figure out why he wanted to be president or what he wanted to do as president. Would never vote for someone like that.
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:31 pm

Ditch religion from a government perspective.
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:27 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:I have absolutely no opinion on whether or not you are racist, nor do I care, but if you want to convince other people, the “I have black friends” card is not the best argument to make.

You got me. I don’t have any black friends or relatives. I’ve lost and I’ll admit it.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:27 pm

The South Falls wrote:Ditch religion from a government perspective.

As much as I agree with you, why?
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Hakons
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Postby Hakons » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:31 pm

What is the difference between Laïcité and Secularism? Is the former just more aggressive secularism but not quite state atheism?
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:37 pm

Kowani wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Ditch religion from a government perspective.

As much as I agree with you, why?

Religion just emphasizes deep splits and sects that may already exist. It gives people to attack all sorts of people with the religion under ulterior motives. I think people can and should practice religion, but keep it out of the government sphere.
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Hakons
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Postby Hakons » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:41 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Kowani wrote:As much as I agree with you, why?

Religion just emphasizes deep splits and sects that may already exist. It gives people to attack all sorts of people with the religion under ulterior motives. I think people can and should practice religion, but keep it out of the government sphere.


If religion emphasizes division and masks ulterior motives, why do you say people should practice it? What exactly do you mean by keeping it out of the government sphere?
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Confederate States of German America
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Founded: Dec 04, 2018
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Postby Confederate States of German America » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:02 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
I have absolutely no opinion on whether or not you are racist, nor do I care, but if you want to convince other people, the “I have black friends” card is not the best argument to make.

It's that and the "I'm 1% black" card. /pedantry


Ironically enough, I'm apparently 1% Black.
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Going so fast, hope I don't crash
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Uxupox
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:03 pm

Confederate States of German America wrote:
Uiiop wrote:It's that and the "I'm 1% black" card. /pedantry


Ironically enough, I'm apparently 1% Black.


Noice.
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00

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Confederate States of German America
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Founded: Dec 04, 2018
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Postby Confederate States of German America » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:03 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:So Jeb Bush is still bitter he was denied the turn a President he felt he was entitled to? Maybe he would have had more success if he had paid less attention to donors and more attention to why he wanted to be president and communicating that. I like the Bushes, even admire them, but for the life of me I listened to Jeb and could not figure out why he wanted to be president or what he wanted to do as president. Would never vote for someone like that.


One analysis I read, and rather liked, was that a lot of his issue was that he was last in office during the tail end of the Bush years. He just didn't understand how much the electorate had changed, or how things like social media had changed campaigning in of itself.
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All these horses in my car got me going fast
I just wanna do the dash, put my pedal to the gas
Going so fast, hope I don't crash
One false move, that could be my last

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:25 pm

Hakons wrote:What is the difference between Laïcité and Secularism? Is the former just more aggressive secularism but not quite state atheism?

Laicite often involves a good deal of government intervention in religious affairs, ironically making it less 'separation of church and state' than the more lax secularist viewpoint. Essentially, laicite views religion as being a potential threat to be closely monitored and viewed with suspicion, whereas secularism views religion as being more-or-less irrelevant to the sphere of influence government operates in.

That being said, laicite can often have a specific religious bent insofar as it can be used as a tool to bludgeon minority religions and careful ignore the transgressions of the majority religion or sect, as has become the case in Turkey.
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Benuty
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:59 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Novus America wrote:
What is Tlaxcala? The Huancas?
Actually the Spanish were successful because they had native allies.
Many natives decided Spanish rule was better than Aztec and Inca rule.
The Aztecs were horrible to live under.

And the Incan while not as bad could be quite oppressive.

Large numbers joined the Spanish against both the Incas and Aztecs.

But Incas offered really no value as an ally, because the Spanish wanted to rule.
The wanted allies, but subservient ones who would accept Spanish rule.
The did not want equals, they wanted subjects and slaves.


To be perfectly frank, the Spanish won against the Incas because they arrived as the Incan Civil War had literally JUST ended, and caught Atahulpa’s retinue by ambushing him during a supposed diplomatic meeting.


I mean the Aztecs for all intents, and purposes were so horrific to live under that people chose to throw themselves at the devil they didn't know.

There was a recent video by one of the big history channels on them, and the Aztecs were an...interesting bunch, to say the least. Hell in one incident they skinned a princess who had been sent to them, and the ruler wore the daughter's skin to send her father into a rage, and declare war.
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Benuty
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:03 pm

To clarify the story about the princess it was basically your standard political marriage deal that went well until the Aztecs went a bit far. Basically, the overlord of the Aztecs at the time went on a state visit and found that they had not only skinned his daughter alive but presented the "wearer" to them. Understandably the guy flew into a fit of rage and declared war on them.
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Confederate States of German America
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Founded: Dec 04, 2018
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Postby Confederate States of German America » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:52 am

I'm a drunk bastard right now, amuse me peasants.
I'm literally OEP. Still a National Syndicalist.

All these horses in my car got me going fast
I just wanna do the dash, put my pedal to the gas
Going so fast, hope I don't crash
One false move, that could be my last

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:54 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Hakons wrote:What is the difference between Laïcité and Secularism? Is the former just more aggressive secularism but not quite state atheism?

Laicite often involves a good deal of government intervention in religious affairs, ironically making it less 'separation of church and state' than the more lax secularist viewpoint. Essentially, laicite views religion as being a potential threat to be closely monitored and viewed with suspicion, whereas secularism views religion as being more-or-less irrelevant to the sphere of influence government operates in.

That being said, laicite can often have a specific religious bent insofar as it can be used as a tool to bludgeon minority religions and careful ignore the transgressions of the majority religion or sect, as has become the case in Turkey.


I guess that makes me a Laïc then.

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Nietzschean Jihad
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Founded: Feb 22, 2019
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Postby Nietzschean Jihad » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:24 am

Confederate States of German America wrote:I'm a drunk bastard right now, amuse me peasants.

One day you, as all of us, with be drained in the gutter called the grave.

Now let the drunk existential crisis kick in.
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Confederate States of German America
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Postby Confederate States of German America » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:27 am

Nietzschean Jihad wrote:
Confederate States of German America wrote:I'm a drunk bastard right now, amuse me peasants.

One day you, as all of us, with be drained in the gutter called the grave.

Now let the drunk existential crisis kick in.


Why do you think I was drunk in the first place? It's been one of those weeks.
I'm literally OEP. Still a National Syndicalist.

All these horses in my car got me going fast
I just wanna do the dash, put my pedal to the gas
Going so fast, hope I don't crash
One false move, that could be my last

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:31 am

Confederate States of German America wrote:
Nietzschean Jihad wrote:One day you, as all of us, with be drained in the gutter called the grave.

Now let the drunk existential crisis kick in.


Why do you think I was drunk in the first place? It's been one of those weeks.


Is the right right and has the left left?

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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:34 am

Bear Stearns wrote:So Jeb Bush is still bitter he was denied the turn a President he felt he was entitled to? Maybe he would have had more success if he had paid less attention to donors and more attention to why he wanted to be president and communicating that. I like the Bushes, even admire them, but for the life of me I listened to Jeb and could not figure out why he wanted to be president or what he wanted to do as president. Would never vote for someone like that.

Honestly, I would prefer comrade Jeb to Trump.
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Confederate States of German America
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Postby Confederate States of German America » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:39 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Confederate States of German America wrote:
Why do you think I was drunk in the first place? It's been one of those weeks.


Is the right right and has the left left?


Not sure. Sausage burritos are good though.
I'm literally OEP. Still a National Syndicalist.

All these horses in my car got me going fast
I just wanna do the dash, put my pedal to the gas
Going so fast, hope I don't crash
One false move, that could be my last

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:46 am

Confederate States of German America wrote:
Nietzschean Jihad wrote:One day you, as all of us, with be drained in the gutter called the grave.

Now let the drunk existential crisis kick in.


Why do you think I was drunk in the first place? It's been one of those weeks.

I had my car unlawfully towed my by complex manager, so that happened.

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:47 am

Genivaria wrote:
Confederate States of German America wrote:
Why do you think I was drunk in the first place? It's been one of those weeks.

I had my car unlawfully towed my by complex manager, so that happened.


I am bummed about having to repay a second goddamn loan.

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Uxupox
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Postby Uxupox » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:08 am

Genivaria wrote:
Confederate States of German America wrote:
Why do you think I was drunk in the first place? It's been one of those weeks.

I had my car unlawfully towed my by complex manager, so that happened.


Time to get rich.
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