Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Bienenhalde]

Yes she did do something wrong. She acted in a unfairly harsh and arbitrary manner and was punished for her actions. I do not see why there should be any controversy over this.

There is controversy probably in my opinion because the place this happened in is in the Mormon heartland.

Well, I am not sure if the Mormon church has an official position on this sort of thing, but that is irrelevant. Freedom of religion means that people are allowed to believe in heretical nonsense like Mormonism, but they have no right to go around forcing their beliefs down other peoples' throats.

[Hanafuridake]

Strategy for defeat.

So you are willing to through morality out the window so just so you can be on the winning side? Well, then you have no right to call yourself a conservative.

He's a Fascist, he wasn't conservative to begin with.

[Benuty]

So you are willing to through morality out the window so just so you can be on the winning side? Well, then you have no right to call yourself a conservative.

He's a Fascist, he wasn't conservative to begin with.

Rei has revealed their trap card: The Greatest Betrayal.

[Bienenhalde]

So you are willing to through morality out the window so just so you can be on the winning side? Well, then you have no right to call yourself a conservative.

He's a Fascist, he wasn't conservative to begin with.

I suppose you are right...but the way he was talking with Fahran made it sound as if he thought they were somehow on the same "team".

[Benuty]

He's a Fascist, he wasn't conservative to begin with.

I suppose you are right...but the way he was talking with Fahran made it sound as if he thought they were somehow on the same "team".

I find that Charles De Gaulle might be fitting here "No nation has friends only interests". In this particular case, this might apply more to posters here in this thread when they make some interesting alliances that is.

[Uxupox]

Strategy for defeat.

So you are willing to through morality out the window so just so you can be on the winning side? Well, then you have no right to call yourself a conservative.

Morality has no place in warfare and should be discarded the moment we enter in one.

[Novus America]

Only in not telling these other people to fuck off, yes.

Nope. The kid didn't consent to having his makeup removed, therefore the teacher can go fuck herself.

Click the link. There was no make up.
The poster straight up lied.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... h-teacher/

[Andsed]

Utah teacher on leave after forcing male student to wash off makeup

The Teacher did nothing wrong.

Haha no. A student has the right to wear makeup as doing so harms no one and that teacher had no right to force him to take it off.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

Nope. The kid didn't consent to having his makeup removed, therefore the teacher can go fuck herself.

Click the link. There was no make up.
The poster straight up lied.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... h-teacher/

This, this is what you call a sting.

[Andsed]

Nope. The kid didn't consent to having his makeup removed, therefore the teacher can go fuck herself.

Click the link. There was no make up.
The poster straight up lied.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... h-teacher/

Oh well never mind then. Seems like nothing more than a simple mistake.

[Bienenhalde]

The Teacher did nothing wrong.

Haha no. A student has the right to wear makeup as doing so harms no one and that teacher had no right to force him to take it off.

I agree that the teacher was wrong because her actions were arbitrary and necessary, but I would not frame it as a matter of rights. After all, some schools require students to wear uniforms. The problem is not with regulating how students look and dress, but with arbitrarily punishing students who did not break any rule.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

I agree that the teacher was wrong because her actions were arbitrary and necessary, but I would not frame it as a matter of rights. After all, some schools require students to wear uniforms. The problem is not with regulating how students look and dress, but with arbitrarily punishing students who did not break any rule.

I agree, this is the most reasonable response to such a situation.

[Novus America]

Haha no. A student has the right to wear makeup as doing so harms no one and that teacher had no right to force him to take it off.

I agree that the teacher was wrong because her actions were arbitrary and necessary, but I would not frame it as a matter of rights. After all, some schools require students to wear uniforms. The problem is not with regulating how students look and dress, but with arbitrarily punishing students who did not break any rule.

Agreed but it never happened anyways.
You got rolled.

[Proctopeo]

Nope. The kid didn't consent to having his makeup removed, therefore the teacher can go fuck herself.

Click the link. There was no make up.
The poster straight up lied.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... h-teacher/

That makes like ten times more sense tbqh
also that site REALLY doesn't like my adblocker, not letting me read the full article even with it disabled on the site

[Bienenhalde]

Click the link. There was no make up.
The poster straight up lied.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... h-teacher/

That makes like ten times more sense tbqh
also that site REALLY doesn't like my adblocker, not letting me read the full article even with it disabled on the site

Oh yeah, I noticed there were some details in the original posters story that did not make sense. Now I wonder if they were deliberately trying to make a point or just messing around.

[Andsed]

Haha no. A student has the right to wear makeup as doing so harms no one and that teacher had no right to force him to take it off.

I agree that the teacher was wrong because her actions were arbitrary and necessary, but I would not frame it as a matter of rights. After all, some schools require students to wear uniforms. The problem is not with regulating how students look and dress, but with arbitrarily punishing students who did not break any rule.

Yeah you right. That what I was thinking but I think I phrased it the wrong way so thanks for the correction.

That makes like ten times more sense tbqh
also that site REALLY doesn't like my adblocker, not letting me read the full article even with it disabled on the site

Oh yeah, I noticed there were some details in the original posters story that did not make sense. Now I wonder if they were deliberately trying to make a point or just messing around.

I think it was either 1. they had a bad source or 2. they just wanted to make a political statement and did not really care about the facts of the situation.

[Novus America]

I agree that the teacher was wrong because her actions were arbitrary and necessary, but I would not frame it as a matter of rights. After all, some schools require students to wear uniforms. The problem is not with regulating how students look and dress, but with arbitrarily punishing students who did not break any rule.

Yeah you right. That what I was thinking but I think I phrased it the wrong way so thanks for the correction.

Oh yeah, I noticed there were some details in the original posters story that did not make sense. Now I wonder if they were deliberately trying to make a point or just messing around.

I think it was either 1. they had a bad source or 2. they just wanted to make a political statement and did not really care about the facts of the situation.

That source was their source.
They just hoped people would not read it.

So clearly they were posting in bad faith.

[Novus America]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return_(Eliade)

This seemed like a concept that most posters here would be interested in, wondered what you thought about it. The concept of the Eternal Return influenced a lot of the philosophical schools that I'm fond of (kōgaku, kokugaku, etc.) as well as other right-wing modes of thought.

But the concept does not mesh well with Buddhism as Eliade himself notes.
Buddhism is about breaking free of cycles, not perpetuating them.

Also kokugaku rejects Buddhism and Confucianism as foreign BTW.

Moreover other scholars note the idea is not common to all religions, only certain ones.

And why would you want to try to return society to a time a myth was first created, when most myths were created in times much worse than now?

[Salus Maior]

The Teacher did nothing wrong.

Haha no. A student has the right to wear makeup as doing so harms no one and that teacher had no right to force him to take it off.

There's something called dress code, and if the school has one that bans makeup then no they don't have the right.

[Kowani]

So you are willing to through morality out the window so just so you can be on the winning side? Well, then you have no right to call yourself a conservative.

Morality has no place in warfare and should be discarded the moment we enter in one.

Yeah, that’s a good long term strategy.
Rape of Nanking 2.0 when?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Utah teacher on leave after forcing male student to wash off makeup

The Teacher did nothing wrong.

^This

The Teacher did nothing wrong.

Yes she did do something wrong. She acted in a unfairly harsh and arbitrary manner and was punished for her actions. I do not see why there should be any controversy over this.

Well if she humiliated him then yes, she was too harsh. But all I'm seeing is that she gave him a disinfectant wipe, or something the clean off the makeup on his face. Something I'm missing?

There is controversy probably in my opinion because the place this happened in is in the Mormon heartland.

Well, I am not sure if the Mormon church has an official position on this sort of thing, but that is irrelevant. Freedom of religion means that people are allowed to believe in heretical nonsense like Mormonism, but they have no right to go around forcing their beliefs down other peoples' throats.

Ok, you have a point there. I still don't think boys should be wearing makeup unless it's for acting, fooling around or if it's for music (Kiss wore makeup for example).

Nope. The kid didn't consent to having his makeup removed, therefore the teacher can go fuck herself.

Click the link. There was no make up.
The poster straight up lied.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... h-teacher/

Well dang. If this story is true then the teacher was in the wrong.

Also, I'm glad I have another partner in the poll. Now I'm not the only one who voted for "Theocracy"

[Hanafuridake]

But the concept does not mesh well with Buddhism as Eliade himself notes.
Buddhism is about breaking free of cycles, not perpetuating them.

Buddhist lore is filled with mythical golden ages, and several Buddhist leaders were motivated by the belief that this was a degenerate age where enlightenment was impossible. One of the central ideas of the Shingon school is to create Vairocana's Pure Land here in this world. Eliade wasn't well informed about Buddhism or Hinduism and he operated under a simplistic notion of those religions.

Also kokugaku rejects Buddhism and Confucianism as foreign BTW.

Some members of the kokugaku rejected Confucianism and Buddhism, but the position wasn't universal. There were Confucian followers of Kamo Mabuchi and Hirata reaffirmed Confucius' notion of social relations. Motoori himself, despite claiming to be an anti-Buddhist, converted to Amidism before he died. That's beside the fact that I don't have to agree with the kokugakusha completely to admire them. Any more than I have to agree with Itō Jinsai's criticism of Buddhism to admire his philosophy.

And why would you want to try to return society to a time a myth was first created, when most myths were created in times much worse than now?

The mythical ages described aren't synonymous with the actual time periods that took place.

[Benuty]

Morality has no place in warfare and should be discarded the moment we enter in one.

Yeah, that’s a good long term strategy.
Rape of Nanking 2.0 when?

I mean if you want to wage a blitz war on utterly nightmarish proportions in the short term it might be "good".

[Kowani]

Yeah, that’s a good long term strategy.
Rape of Nanking 2.0 when?

I mean if you want to wage a blitz war on utterly nightmarish proportions in the short term it might be "good".

Mate, I’m a moral Nihilist and I see the value of the rules of warfare. Blitzkreig while violating those is. Well. A bad idea, let’s call it that.

[Benuty]

I mean if you want to wage a blitz war on utterly nightmarish proportions in the short term it might be "good".

Mate, I’m a moral Nihilist and I see the value of the rules of warfare. Blitzkreig while violating those is. Well. A bad idea, let’s call it that.

Theres no need for rules in warfare if the ultimate end goal is to genocide the human race just so the reapers let you live another century.