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Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

Postby Fahran » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:45 am


The Right Wing Discussion Thread
Part XV
A New Hoppe



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"Thread life is nasty, brutish, and short - especially when the RWDT has a controversial debate topic on hand."


The thread is dead; long live the thread! As surely as one generation follows the next, our adventures in reflection and banter begin again, friends and fellow travelers. We stand together as one community, mostly divisible, often internally belligerent, and always opinionated, with a simple social contract, one thrust upon us as an inheritance. Our goals are garrulousness and lofty pretension. A lot has been lost, many states of exception have been declared, several violations of the NAP have been documented, but we still reside in those permanent things peculiar to the human condition. So let's begin down this intellectual promenade, Luddites, Baathists, Gentileans, Agrarians, AnCaps, and Wehraboos. Feel free to paint your faces red and sing bawdy songs about Caesar while you're at it.

Welcome all to the Right-Wing Discussion Thread (RWDT), a place where we discuss all matters pertaining to the right-wing spirit and ethos. This is the fifteenth installment of the thread, making it NS's most beloved and controversial spot to engage in deep discussions that will no doubt bring forth the fruits of wisdom and change your life - probably by disordering your priorities and being a massive time drain. Seriously, go outside every now and again. Virtue of the body should accompany virtue of the mind. Beyond that, we ask that users to go by the dual-principle of being lenient towards the topic but also understanding when things get too off-topic and correcting themselves as necessary. In particular, be cautious not to have extensive theological debates if it has little to do with the sphere of right wing policies in general. We thank you for your understanding.

Suggestions for improvements, changes, or additions is as always welcome.

Relevant subjects for discussion include:
  • The politics, philosophies, and ideologies of the right.
  • Right-wing perspectives on economics and political economy.
  • News and history relevant to the political Right.
  • Artistic, musical, and literary pursuits and achievements relevant to right-wing perspectives.
  • Right-wing responses to current events.
  • Right-wing perspectives on social and economic problems.
  • Political, social, cultural, and economic problems and their solutions according to the political Right.
  • The problems facing particular right-wing movements or the political right in general, and how to resolve them.
Previous Iterations:
Part I
Part II
Part III
Part IV
Part V
Part VI
Part VII
Part VIII
Part IX
Part X
Part XI
Part XII
Part XIII
Part XIV

Poll History:
Poll 1: Is Cultural Marxism a Problem? (Jochistan) - 54% Voted Yes
Poll 2: Favorite Right-Wing Politicians? (Kauthar) - 25% voted Donald Trump
Poll 3: Favorite Right-Wing Autocrats (Unnamed Island State) - 45% voted Vladamir Putin
Poll 4: Best Right-Wing Countries (Kauthar) - Putin's Russia 21%
Poll 5: Best Right-Wing Ideologue (Legitimists)

Poll 1: What Right-Wing Ideology do you adhere to? - 55 votes for Libertarian
Poll 2 Favorite Right-Wing Economic System - 31 votes for Neoliberalism
Poll 3: Favorite Right-Wing Dictator - 18 Votes Kai Shek and Pinochet
Poll 4: Favorite Right-Wing Dictator PART 2 - David Cameron 49%
Poll 5: Prominent Right-Wing NSers/Favorite Future Right-Wing Dictator - Old Tyrannia 39 votes/29%
Poll 6: Favorite Fictional Right-Wing Dictators - Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) 43 Votes/23%

Poll 0.1: Continue the Old Poll Y/N
Poll 1: Favorite Right-Wing Ideologies - Libertarianism/Minarchism

Poll 1: Favorite Centre-Right Parties - Republican Party (US) 39%
Poll 2: What should be the most important core value of a state ideology? Liberty 47%

Poll 1: Which piece of literature has been most significant to the development of right-wing ideology? - Reflections on the Revolution in France 68/237 (29%)
Poll 2: Favorite constitutional/government models? - US 166/528 (31%)

Poll 1: If you could reverse the outcomes of one of these events, which one would it be? - The Russian Revolution 116/343 (34%)
Poll 2: If you could ensure the survival of one empire at their height, which would it be? - The Roman Empire 119/495 (24%)

Do you drink alcohol and what's your opinion of it?
No, and I have a negative opinion of it. It should remain legal. - 57 (36%)
Total Votes: 157 (Recorded 09/01/2017)

Poll 1: Which of the following Trump picks are you most happy with? And are you overall satisfied with them? - James Norman Mattis 92/384 Terrible picks, what have we gotten ourselves into. 97/384
Poll 2: Is Islam compatible with western civilisation? No - 102/330. If reformed yes - 102/330
Poll 3: Which side, for the sake of mankind, should have won WW1? The Allied Powers - 225/385
Poll 4: Was the Reformation a good thing? Yes - 146/287

Poll 1: If you could alter or overturn one of these treaties, which would it be? Treaty of Versailles - 365/564

Poll 1: What stance do you take on immigration? Limited open borders that priorities only high skilled labor. Melting-pot model. - 204/814

Poll 1: Which Kievan/Novrogrodian/Russian/Soviet leader was the greatest? Peter I The Great. 66/210

Poll 1: Which Japanese Shogunate was the most glorious? - MacArthur Shogunate :'). 289/450

Poll I: How should the government interact with religion? - Secularism 124/212 (58%)
Poll II: What's your favorite Eastern Philosophy? - Confucianism 45/206 (22%), Other/None 56/206 (27%)
Poll III: What's your favorite style of architecture? - Gothic 33/189 (17%)
Poll IV: To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe? - Virtue Ethics 16/78 (21%)


Reading Suggestions:
If you’re looking to read something relevant to right-wing politics, consider reading some of the texts below. If you think something’s missing from this list, please post a recommendation. If you think something should be removed, please explain why.

  • ”Leviathan”
    — Thomas Hobbes. (Read Here)
  • ”Two Treatises of Government”
    — John Locke. (Read Here)
  • ”The Protestant Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.”
    — Max Weber.
  • ”Reflections on the Revolution in France”
    — Edmund Burke. (Read Here)
  • ”The Wealth Of Nations”
    — Adam Smith. (Read Here)
  • ”Essay on the Generative Principle of Political Constitutions and other Human Institutions”
    — Joseph de Maistre. (Read Here)
  • ”Rerum novarum”
    — Pope Leo XIII. (Read Here)
  • ”The Crisis of the Modern World”
    — Rene Guenon. (Read Here)
  • ”The Doctrine Of Fascism”
    — Benito Mussolini. (Read Here)
  • ”The Conservative Mind”
    — Russell Kirk.


If you’re interested in discussing matters relating to the political left, we would be quite insistent about your physical removal to the Left-Wing Discussion Thread, our estranged sister thread that doesn't come to family gatherings anymore.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:47 am

Speaking of life being nasty, brutish, and short... let's resort to a good old fashioned question: what is the proper role of the state, if anything?
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:48 am

So this is the new RWDT? How often do you change...is it every 500 pages?

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:49 am

Bugger, you beat me to it by a matter of seconds.
Nea Byzantia wrote:So this is the new RWDT? How often do you change...is it every 500 pages?

Unfortunately, threads longer than 500 pages have a tendency to break the forum, and are therefore banned.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:49 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:So this is the new RWDT? How often do you change...is it every 500 pages?

Nvm...I just read Fahran's Post on the old one.

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:49 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Speaking of life being nasty, brutish, and short... let's resort to a good old fashioned question: what is the proper role of the state, if anything?

To enact violence upon fellow humans and establish order, not most people care though as long the state it regulates itself.
NOT STORMTROOPERS
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:49 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:So this is the new RWDT? How often do you change...is it every 500 pages?


Yep. 500 pages is the maximum amount allowed on NationStates.

As to my earlier question, the state has two main/primary roles, these roles being like opposite sides of the same coin: to prevent the summum malum of a war of all against all, and to likewise promote social harmony and stability.
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monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:50 am

We haven't had a poll for these threads in a while, that should change honestly.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:51 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Speaking of life being nasty, brutish, and short... let's resort to a good old fashioned question: what is the proper role of the state, if anything?

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:52 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Speaking of life being nasty, brutish, and short... let's resort to a good old fashioned question: what is the proper role of the state, if anything?

To enact violence upon fellow humans and establish order, not most people care though as long the state it regulates itself.

To reflect the Rule of God upon the Earth; that is to say, to make Order out of Chaos, just as God ordered the Universe into Being ex nihilo. It is from this philosophical basis that the State in general, and the Monarch in particular, gains his/her legitimacy.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:52 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Speaking of life being nasty, brutish, and short... let's resort to a good old fashioned question: what is the proper role of the state, if anything?

To serve Allah SWT.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:52 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Speaking of life being nasty, brutish, and short... let's resort to a good old fashioned question: what is the proper role of the state, if anything?


At the most practical, to ensure the security and well being of the citizenry. At the most ideal, to be the embodiment of the spiritual ideal of the national will.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:53 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Speaking of life being nasty, brutish, and short... let's resort to a good old fashioned question: what is the proper role of the state, if anything?

To serve Allah SWT.

Nah, the purpose of the state is to protect and serve the people.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:54 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:To serve Allah SWT.

To New Byzantia, being a dhimmi isn't humiliating.

Wrong. The purpose of the state and the people is to cherish and respect Supreme Leader.
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:55 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Speaking of life being nasty, brutish, and short... let's resort to a good old fashioned question: what is the proper role of the state, if anything?

To serve Allah SWT.

To New Byzantia, being a dhimmi isn't humiliating.

If you're Christian it generally is. Even if the intention from the Muslim Overlords are good; the reality on the ground is often quite different.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:55 am

The purpose of the state is clearly to give bureaucrats something to do.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:55 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:The purpose of the state is clearly to give bureaucrats something to do.

Found the Brit. :p
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:56 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:The purpose of the state is clearly to give bureaucrats something to do.


When did Confucius join this forum.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:59 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Speaking of life being nasty, brutish, and short... let's resort to a good old fashioned question: what is the proper role of the state, if anything?

To serve Allah SWT.

To New Byzantia, being a dhimmi isn't humiliating.


Being reduced to second class citizenship is humiliating even if you're allowed your own autonomous zones.

These attempts to tell people they've got it all wrong and it would totally be cool to live under an Islamic theocracy are always going to fail miserably because people see right through them. No one is going to be convinced that being reduced to a citizen under an Islamic state is appealing.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:59 am

Hanafuridake wrote:When did Confucius join this forum.

Only seconds before his death caused by highly concentrated amounts of FACTS LOGIC AND REASON
NOT STORMTROOPERS
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Postby Fahran » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:59 am

Conserative Morality wrote:I will treasure this OP forever.

As I will cherish you forever. :p

Blame Rei. It's her fault.

Old Tyrannia wrote:Bugger, you beat me to it by a matter of seconds.

I have the fastest smallish hands in the West, partner. If you want to do the next one, I promise I won't stop you.

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Speaking of life being nasty, brutish, and short... let's resort to a good old fashioned question: what is the proper role of the state, if anything?

The state does not exist for any particular reason but rather represents a natural emanation of society. With regard to the role and function of the state, it began as a means of preserving social order, arbitrating disputes through the political process, upholding the immutable moral order through the cultivation of the citizens and the execution of justice, enshrining the rights and obligations of the citizen, and fully realizing the political nature of man.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:02 am

Can we have a poll?
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:02 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:When did Confucius join this forum.

Only seconds before his death caused by highly concentrated amounts of FACTS LOGIC AND REASON

I see Li Si has arrived.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:03 am

The New California Republic wrote:Can we have a poll?

Yes, about what System of Government is best. Would be interesting to see what people think.

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