Six Bullets Scenario

[Thermodolia]

Local thugs would know to pull the pin before throwing. ANYONE who has seen a grenade used in an action flick or tv show would know to pull the pin before throwing. The mistake a boot or a low-tier thug might make is cooking the grenade, not failing to arm it. And, if the boss man is a low-tier thug, there's no way in hell there'd be only one lone wolf assassin, and it wouldn't be a single black ops dude protecting her. She'd be under police protection.

Grenades draw too much "flak" from the authorities though, because its a military grade weapon right?

Usually, these people stick to simple handguns and shotguns, knives and stuff.

A grenade and a low grade bomb aren’t very different. It would take awhile for the authorities to realize it

[Ifreann]

Did he remember to pull the pin first?

Because I wouldn't put it past him to forget...

The Big Bad likely has never even seen, let alone operated a hand held grenade.

If you gave him one he might assume it works like it does in some low graphics video games where there's no pulling of the pin before throwing. He might go off that.

The villains in this piece are very small timers. Think, local thugs. They're not very top tier. No military experience. No exposure to grenades.

Because you need to be a big time criminal to know how hand grenades work. It's a very closely guarded secret.

[Infected Mushroom]

The Big Bad likely has never even seen, let alone operated a hand held grenade.

If you gave him one he might assume it works like it does in some low graphics video games where there's no pulling of the pin before throwing. He might go off that.

The villains in this piece are very small timers. Think, local thugs. They're not very top tier. No military experience. No exposure to grenades.

Because you need to be a big time criminal to know how hand grenades work. It's a very closely guarded secret.

a grenade is a pretty specific military weapon though

its not as complicated as setting up a rocket launcher but its definitely not something a regular street thug would have used

there's also no use for it, handguns are sufficient for most street level killings right?

[Infected Mushroom]

Grenades draw too much "flak" from the authorities though, because its a military grade weapon right?

Usually, these people stick to simple handguns and shotguns, knives and stuff.

A grenade and a low grade bomb aren’t very different. It would take awhile for the authorities to realize it

it may take a while for forensics to put it together but again, why draw the attention?

its the same reason why AKs are not used for regular gangland killings

[Jebslund]

Local thugs would know to pull the pin before throwing. ANYONE who has seen a grenade used in an action flick or tv show would know to pull the pin before throwing. The mistake a boot or a low-tier thug might make is cooking the grenade, not failing to arm it. And, if the boss man is a low-tier thug, there's no way in hell there'd be only one lone wolf assassin, and it wouldn't be a single black ops dude protecting her. She'd be under police protection.

Grenades draw too much "flak" from the authorities though, because its a military grade weapon right?

Usually, these people stick to simple handguns and shotguns, knives and stuff.

No. If you catch the user with the grenade, yes, live military-style grenades are illegal in the US (NFA. They're Title-II destructive devices. My knowledge of other countries' laws is negligible in terms of grenades), but the weapon kinda eliminates its own evidence, so long as you police the spoon after, but any competent assassin is going to police his or her brass anyway. That doesn't mean someone determined enough to kill the witness wouldn't use one (laws don't stop people from committing crimes, they simply make it riskier to get caught and punish those who do get caught), or even use an IED in lieu of a proper one (a pipe bomb, for instance.), so yeah... And considering pipe bombs aren't very difficult to make...

Let me put it to you this way: Anyone who really wants to can, if they have the money, get their hands on just about any weapon they really want. The black market is a thing, after all, as are smuggling and theft. Not to mention that every weapon on this list is perfectly legal to buy and own in the US.

[Ifreann]

Because you need to be a big time criminal to know how hand grenades work. It's a very closely guarded secret.

a grenade is a pretty specific military weapon though

its not as complicated as setting up a rocket launcher but its definitely not something a regular street thug would have used

You don't need to have used a grenade before to know how they work.

It's bizarre that you, of all people, don't realise that movies and TV shows and video games have lead to approximately everyone knowing how grenades work.

[Jebslund]

its the same reason why AKs are not used for regular gangland killings

Automatic weapons have been and are being used for gangland killings since the dawn of civilian-acquirable automatic weapons and gangland. In fact, in a study of 271 homicides, 43 of them were fount to have been committed using assault weapons in New York.

[Galloism]

What a dumbfuck.

Are we sure these people are actually assassins and black ops and not McDonalds workers poisoned by some kind of hallucinogenic mushrooms?

its like that poor working class kid from some urban neighbourhood (not even the Bronx, that's too elite)... probably somewhere close to Denver, Detroit, or I don't know... Toronto. Skipped high school to join some gang, goes to jail for some small time crimes, then wields a gun around and gets recruited by a bigger gang.

They used him one time to kill some unarmed witness.

Now The Big Bad in the OP needs a random third party to carry out a murder (because if he or his associates moved, the police might link it) so he takes out his phone book and dials crime syndicates across the nation. He has no idea he's being shortchanged this time.

"Hey err... can I borrow one of your people for a job?"

"Sure."

And this is the guy who ends up hired. I mean, this isn't a CIA/KGB/experienced cartel killer... this is in the words of the Princeton Review... "Joe Bloggs" on his second job.

Joe Bloggs doesn't count bullets or shots, heck he probably didn't even get his gun until the last minute from a local contact. This person's barely out of teenage years, heck the only reason he was picked was because he needed the money. In the words of Fredo, "THERE WAS SOMETHING IN IT FOR ME."

So he showed off, endangering bystanders, to murder a stupid kid who had absolutely no chance.

This is like Seal Team 6 vs The Brady Bunch.

[Galloism]

a grenade is a pretty specific military weapon though

its not as complicated as setting up a rocket launcher but its definitely not something a regular street thug would have used

You don't need to have used a grenade before to know how they work.

It's bizarre that you, of all people, don't realise that movies and TV shows and video games have lead to approximately everyone knowing how grenades work.

Just remember to count to five.

[The Two Jerseys]

its like that poor working class kid from some urban neighbourhood (not even the Bronx, that's too elite)... probably somewhere close to Denver, Detroit, or I don't know... Toronto. Skipped high school to join some gang, goes to jail for some small time crimes, then wields a gun around and gets recruited by a bigger gang.

They used him one time to kill some unarmed witness.

Now The Big Bad in the OP needs a random third party to carry out a murder (because if he or his associates moved, the police might link it) so he takes out his phone book and dials crime syndicates across the nation. He has no idea he's being shortchanged this time.

"Hey err... can I borrow one of your people for a job?"

"Sure."

And this is the guy who ends up hired. I mean, this isn't a CIA/KGB/experienced cartel killer... this is in the words of the Princeton Review... "Joe Bloggs" on his second job.

Joe Bloggs doesn't count bullets or shots, heck he probably didn't even get his gun until the last minute from a local contact. This person's barely out of teenage years, heck the only reason he was picked was because he needed the money. In the words of Fredo, "THERE WAS SOMETHING IN IT FOR ME."

So he showed off, endangering bystanders, to murder a stupid kid who had absolutely no chance.

This is like Seal Team 6 vs The Brady Bunch.

Here's the story
Of a lovely la-BANG BANG BRRRRRRRT BRRRRRRRRT BANG-BANG-BANG
"Clear! Tangos are down!"

10/10, would watch.

[Galloism]

So he showed off, endangering bystanders, to murder a stupid kid who had absolutely no chance.

This is like Seal Team 6 vs The Brady Bunch.

Here's the story
Of a lovely la-BANG BANG BRRRRRRRT BRRRRRRRRT BANG-BANG-BANG
"Clear! Tangos are down!"

10/10, would watch.

[Radiatia]

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I have to say I'm quite a big fan of your "what if" scenario threads, even though I seldom have much to contribute to them (and even if I did, I don't really have time to post on NS nowadays...)

In this scenario, I consider it a no-brainer - of course the action of the 'hero' are justified. I'm actually perplexed as to why this isn't the most popular choice on the poll. EDIT: Turns out I misread the poll.

What he did was blatantly illegal, but morally? Well, I'm not a big believer in the concept of 'morality' but it's clear that the assassin was given a very fair chance to surrender and chose not to take it, instead making an attempt on not one but two innocent lives.

The fact that the hero had the foresight to consider the possibility that the assassin might try to grab his firearm, and thus approached him with an empty one doesn't in my mind suggest he desired to kill the assassin - it just shows that a) He took security seriously and b) He wanted to avoid killing him if at all possible (hence his arriving with an unloaded weapon), with the decision to put him down being a last resort.

The assassin, for his part, had the chance to turn away from his failed attempts at murder, but instead chose to continue. Sometimes in life you have to stop being forgiving, and just euthanise the uncivilised murderous animal.

The assassin had his chance and blew it - he deserved what he got and the hero is absolutely a hero in my eyes.

[Excidium Planetis]

6.

Guns are always loaded. This is taught in gun safety.

Therefore the kill was justified. The Assassin was holding a loaded gun, aimed at the Hero, and pulled the trigger. Whether or not the gun actually fired off a round is irrelevant.

[Ethereal Expanse]

I would go with 6. Good?? Bad??? he was the one with a gun in the end. This kind of a James Bond I think both justified and honorable.

[Infected Mushroom]

6.

Guns are always loaded. This is taught in gun safety.

Therefore the kill was justified. The Assassin was holding a loaded gun, aimed at the Hero, and pulled the trigger. Whether or not the gun actually fired off a round is irrelevant.

Eh?

But I’m confused.

It’s not loaded here, and The Hero knows. What do you mean?

[Infected Mushroom]

its like that poor working class kid from some urban neighbourhood (not even the Bronx, that's too elite)... probably somewhere close to Denver, Detroit, or I don't know... Toronto. Skipped high school to join some gang, goes to jail for some small time crimes, then wields a gun around and gets recruited by a bigger gang.

They used him one time to kill some unarmed witness.

Now The Big Bad in the OP needs a random third party to carry out a murder (because if he or his associates moved, the police might link it) so he takes out his phone book and dials crime syndicates across the nation. He has no idea he's being shortchanged this time.

"Hey err... can I borrow one of your people for a job?"

"Sure."

And this is the guy who ends up hired. I mean, this isn't a CIA/KGB/experienced cartel killer... this is in the words of the Princeton Review... "Joe Bloggs" on his second job.

Joe Bloggs doesn't count bullets or shots, heck he probably didn't even get his gun until the last minute from a local contact. This person's barely out of teenage years, heck the only reason he was picked was because he needed the money. In the words of Fredo, "THERE WAS SOMETHING IN IT FOR ME."

So he showed off, endangering bystanders, to murder a stupid kid who had absolutely no chance.

This is like Seal Team 6 vs The Brady Bunch.

These are pretty valid observations.

I mean, The Hero is written to be kind of glib and may come across as a bit of a prick.

In fact, this is going to be a bit of a recurring theme/motif as you’ll see from my next thread.

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I mean, The Hero is written to be kind of glib and may come across as a bit of a prick.

In fact, this is going to be a bit of a recurring theme/motif as you’ll see from my next thread.

Will he be played by Nathan Fillion in the movie adaptation of your crazy world?

You've invented so many characters, do you ever think about who would play them?

[Infected Mushroom]

I mean, The Hero is written to be kind of glib and may come across as a bit of a prick.

In fact, this is going to be a bit of a recurring theme/motif as you’ll see from my next thread.

Will he be played by Nathan Fillion in the movie adaptation of your crazy world?

You've invented so many characters, do you ever think about who would play them?

From a quick Google search, he looks pretty close to what I'm imagining here. Dark-haired, generic good guy looks.

I'm not sure about casting other characters. However, I think Amy Adams did such an excellent job playing the "Disney Princess" from Enchanted that she should maybe be cast as the Mafia Queen (this would work too because a huge part of the character is that she's not supposed to look "villainous" at all).

https://www.moviefone.com/2017/11/20/en ... ey-trivia/

My requirement is that most/all female characters are to have very large bright eyes.

...

Sir Rainey, I'm not sure. He needs to be golden-haired and to look like a Prince Charming type but kind of "manly" too (there has to be a balance). I'm not sure who fits the bill, maybe if you can find a younger version of Ewan McGregor or Coster-Waldau.

[Thermodolia]

6.

Guns are always loaded. This is taught in gun safety.

Therefore the kill was justified. The Assassin was holding a loaded gun, aimed at the Hero, and pulled the trigger. Whether or not the gun actually fired off a round is irrelevant.

Eh?

But I’m confused.

It’s not loaded here, and The Hero knows. What do you mean?

The number one rule of gun safety is treat a gun as if it was loaded. The hero dude violated that rule multiple times and with the don’t aim your gun at anyone or anything you don’t intend to shoot

[Infected Mushroom]

Eh?

But I’m confused.

It’s not loaded here, and The Hero knows. What do you mean?

The number one rule of gun safety is treat a gun as if it was loaded. The hero dude violated that rule multiple times and with the don’t aim your gun at anyone or anything you don’t intend to shoot

but why would you treat a gun you KNOW isn't loaded as if it were loaded?

[Thermodolia]

The number one rule of gun safety is treat a gun as if it was loaded. The hero dude violated that rule multiple times and with the don’t aim your gun at anyone or anything you don’t intend to shoot

but why would you treat a gun you KNOW isn't loaded as if it were loaded?

Because you might think a gun isn’t loaded when it actually is and end up getting killed

[Infected Mushroom]

but why would you treat a gun you KNOW isn't loaded as if it were loaded?

Because you might think a gun isn’t loaded when it actually is and end up getting killed

that's true but The Hero was 100% sure of the gun model and bullet capacity

[Thermodolia]

Because you might think a gun isn’t loaded when it actually is and end up getting killed

that's true but The Hero was 100% sure of the gun model and bullet capacity

Doesn’t matter. He’s still a fucking idiot

[Infected Mushroom]

that's true but The Hero was 100% sure of the gun model and bullet capacity

Doesn’t matter. He’s still a fucking idiot

If you know the gun isn’t loaded then I don’t see how

Now if you merely suspected then yes, it’s dumb to gamble

[Andsed]

Doesn’t matter. He’s still a fucking idiot

If you know the gun isn’t loaded then I don’t see how

Now if you merely suspected then yes, it’s dumb to gamble

IM anyone who has ever used a gun knows that you treat a like it is loaded at all times period. This is one most important rules of gun safety and violating it is stupid period.