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by Digital Planets » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:09 pm
by Lanorth » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:15 pm
Digital Planets wrote:See people, this is why we should ban airplanes and use blimps once more, they have a far greater track record, they're much cheaper to use and you can go longer distances with them.
by Costa Fierro » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:07 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Andsed wrote:
Uhh no. While some may call for better air safety people are not going to just stop using air travel as it is one of the fastest means of transportation.
I mean, it certainly was the case for airships because of Hindenberg etc, but it would take something truly cataclysmic to actually have any discernible effect on people's willingness to fly in planes, because we are quite dependent on it now.
by Vassenor » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:11 pm
Digital Planets wrote:See people, this is why we should ban airplanes and use blimps once more, they have a far greater track record, they're much cheaper to use and you can go longer distances with them.
by The New California Republic » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:13 pm
Costa Fierro wrote:The New California Republic wrote:I mean, it certainly was the case for airships because of Hindenberg etc, but it would take something truly cataclysmic to actually have any discernible effect on people's willingness to fly in planes, because we are quite dependent on it now.
tfw instead of dying instantly you burn to death in a fire.
by Galloism » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:15 pm
by Aboveland » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:16 pm
by Vassenor » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:17 pm
by Costa Fierro » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:18 pm
by Galloism » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:19 pm
But if you have a mechanism for harvesting helium from the core of the Sun, let's hear it.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:25 pm
Lanorth wrote:Slovak MP Anton Hrnko later confirmed via Facebook that his wife and two children were on the plane.
by Costa Fierro » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:30 pm
by Bruke » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:40 pm
Neu Leonstein wrote:Aside from this obviously being a tragedy, it's also particularly sad that this happened to Ethiopian Air. Because it looks increasingly like the problem is with this particular new line of aircraft rather than with the airline. But because it's from Africa, and people don't bother distinguishing African airlines, you just know that at kitchen tables around the world this will just be a) dismissed and/or b) used to reinforce stereotypes of Africa and Africans stuck in incapacitated anarchy.
Which is to say that I quite like Ethiopian Air.
by Neu Leonstein » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:26 pm
by Costa Fierro » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:09 am
Neu Leonstein wrote:This is a good article about these new Boeings, written after the Lion Air crash: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/03/worl ... ilots.html
Short summary: trying to rush out a competing model to a new Airbus plane with more fuel efficiency, Boeing put bigger engines on the plane which lower the centre of gravity and require this new altitude stabilisation system MCAS to keep everything on the level in a crisis situation. Which also means that what the pilot needs to do in case of trouble in a 737 MAX is very different to what they need to do in a regular 737. If the pilot doesn't receive training on the new system, and they're used to the older plane, then there's a risk of trouble.
But Boeing didn't want to require airlines to spend more on training to fly the new plane, so they submitted to the FAA that there differences weren't significant. And the FAA (being good buddies with Boeing when it comes to competing with those mean foreigners) waved it through without a requirement to train pilots on the new system.
Which leaves it up to the airlines to do the research and do the new training despite there not being an official requirement to do so.
by Great Eldaria » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:13 am
Costa Fierro wrote:Neu Leonstein wrote:This is a good article about these new Boeings, written after the Lion Air crash: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/03/worl ... ilots.html
Short summary: trying to rush out a competing model to a new Airbus plane with more fuel efficiency, Boeing put bigger engines on the plane which lower the centre of gravity and require this new altitude stabilisation system MCAS to keep everything on the level in a crisis situation. Which also means that what the pilot needs to do in case of trouble in a 737 MAX is very different to what they need to do in a regular 737. If the pilot doesn't receive training on the new system, and they're used to the older plane, then there's a risk of trouble.
But Boeing didn't want to require airlines to spend more on training to fly the new plane, so they submitted to the FAA that there differences weren't significant. And the FAA (being good buddies with Boeing when it comes to competing with those mean foreigners) waved it through without a requirement to train pilots on the new system.
Which leaves it up to the airlines to do the research and do the new training despite there not being an official requirement to do so.
So 737's will keep falling out of the sky because Boeing couldn't be arsed requiring pilots to have proper training?
by Costa Fierro » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:00 am
Great Eldaria wrote:Costa Fierro wrote:
So 737's will keep falling out of the sky because Boeing couldn't be arsed requiring pilots to have proper training?
In short, yeah. MCAS, similar to the older but known envelope protection system on the Airbus, takes full control of the aircraft, if it believes something bad is happening.
Problem is that if you have a set of faulty airspeed indicators, bank, angle of attack, you name it, the aircraft could purposely bring the aircraft down, believing that it is solving a dangerous situation.
The Airbuses have always had such a system, and you are trained to disengage it with a click of a button. But the 737 has never had such a system until the MAX. And seems like nobody is telling the pilots. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-15/third-pilots-union-raises-concern-about-boeing-s-737-max-jet
by The New California Republic » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:53 am
a Greek man has said that he was due to board the flight but arrived at the gate two minutes late.
In a Facebook post, Antonis Mavropoulos shared an image of his ticket and said it was his "lucky day".
"I was angry because nobody helped me to reach the gate on time," he wrote. "I'm grateful to be alive."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-47519467
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:46 am
Aeritai wrote:What's with all of these plane crashes? If this keeps up people will never use air travel ever again.
by Great Eldaria » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:53 am
Costa Fierro wrote:It doesn't seem like it, Boeing basically said "don't worry about it" so it could rush planes out of the factory to customers.
If these are true, there should be grounds for a massive lawsuit to be levied against Boeing.
by Baltenstein » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:08 am
The New California Republic wrote:a Greek man has said that he was due to board the flight but arrived at the gate two minutes late.
In a Facebook post, Antonis Mavropoulos shared an image of his ticket and said it was his "lucky day".
"I was angry because nobody helped me to reach the gate on time," he wrote. "I'm grateful to be alive."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-47519467
Don't rub people's faces in it too much mate, for fuck's sake.
by The Archregimancy » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:15 am
by The East India Trade Federation » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:17 am
by Dogmeat » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:45 am
The Archregimancy wrote:I've just discovered that one of our colleagues from the Norwegian Red Cross was on the plane.
https://twitter.com/rodekorsnorge/statu ... 7012136961
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