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Postby Lanorth » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:44 am

An Ethiopian Airlines jet has crashed shortly after take-off from Addis Ababa, killing all on board.
The airline said 149 passengers and eight crew members were on flight ET302 from the Ethiopian capital to Nairobi in Kenya.
It said 32 Kenyans, 18 Canadians, eight Americans and seven British nationals were among the passengers.
The crash happened at 08:44 local time, six minutes after the months-old Boeing 737 Max-8 took off.
Another plane of the same model was involved in a crash less than five months ago, when a Lion Air flight crashed into the sea near Indonesia with nearly 190 people on board.

The cause of the disaster is not yet clear. However, the pilot had reported difficulties and had asked to return to Addis Ababa, the airline said.
"At this stage, we cannot rule out anything," Ethiopian Airlines CEO Tewolde Gebremariam told reporters at Bole International Airport in Addis Ababa.
"We cannot also attribute the cause to anything because we will have to comply with the international regulation to wait for the investigation."

Visibility was said to be good but air traffic monitor Flightradar24 reported that the plane's "vertical speed was unstable after take-off".
An eyewitness at the scene told the BBC there was an intense fire as the aircraft hit the ground.
"The blast and the fire were so strong that we couldn't get near it," he said. "Everything is burnt down."
First word of the crash came when Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed expressed his "deepest condolences" on Twitter.
Recovery operations were under way near the crash site around the town of Bishoftu, which is 60km (37 miles) south-east of the capital.
The plane was delivered to Ethiopian Airlines on 15 November last year. It underwent a "rigorous first check maintenance" on 4 February, the airline tweeted.

Passengers from more than 30 countries were on board the flight.
He said they included 32 Kenyans, 18 Canadians, nine Ethiopians, eight Italians, eight Chinese, eight Americans, seven Britons, seven French citizens, six Egyptians, five Dutch citizens, four Indians and four people from Slovakia.
Slovak MP Anton Hrnko later confirmed via Facebook that his wife and two children were on the plane.
Three Austrians, three Swedes, three Russians, two Moroccans, two Spaniards, two Poles and two Israelis were also on the flight. There was also one passenger each from Belgium, Indonesia, Somalia, Norway, Serbia, Togo, Mozambique, Rwanda, Sudan, Uganda and Yemen.
Four people held United Nations passports, the airline said, and it believed some passengers could have been heading to a session of the UN Environment Assembly which begins in Nairobi on Monday.
The pilot was named as Senior Captain Yared Getachew who had a "commendable performance" with more than 8,000 hours in the air, the airline said.
The plane's First Officer Ahmed Nur Mohammod Nur had 200 flight hours, it added.
Source | My regards lay with the families and friends of the victims and I wish them good health in the coming future and support from us all.
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Postby Astoriya » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:50 am

Ouch, that's quite heavy

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Postby Luziyca » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:04 am

Condolences to all the friends and families of the passengers and crew, and hopefully, they'll find what went wrong.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:06 pm

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Postby Aeritai » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:09 pm

What's with all of these plane crashes? If this keeps up people will never use air travel ever again.
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Postby Great Eldaria » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:16 pm

Aeritai wrote:What's with all of these plane crashes? If this keeps up people will never use air travel ever again.


What? 3000+ people die every day from car crashes, but it's not going to stop anyone.

But this seems more like a blog than something to discuss.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:02 pm

Aside from this obviously being a tragedy, it's also particularly sad that this happened to Ethiopian Air. Because it looks increasingly like the problem is with this particular new line of aircraft rather than with the airline. But because it's from Africa, and people don't bother distinguishing African airlines, you just know that at kitchen tables around the world this will just be a) dismissed and/or b) used to reinforce stereotypes of Africa and Africans stuck in incapacitated anarchy.

Which is to say that I quite like Ethiopian Air.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:05 pm

Great Eldaria wrote:
Aeritai wrote:What's with all of these plane crashes? If this keeps up people will never use air travel ever again.


What? 3000+ people die every day from car crashes, but it's not going to stop anyone.

But this seems more like a blog than something to discuss.

Car Crashes tend to not be large, spectacular events.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:07 pm

Incredibly sad. Rest in peace.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:53 pm

Looking at the depth of crater and the little debris that was left, as well as the resulting fireball, I'd be surprised if there were any actual remains of the passengers or crew left. I'd hazard a guess that the black boxes have been destroyed as well.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:55 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Looking at the depth of crater and the little debris that was left, as well as the resulting fireball, I'd be surprised if there were any actual remains of the passengers or crew left. I'd hazard a guess that the black boxes have been destroyed as well.


Not necessarily. They're designed to with stand a lot of impact force.
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Postby Sundowers » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:00 pm

a Max 8 again? That's not good.

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Costa Fierro wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Looking at the depth of crater and the little debris that was left, as well as the resulting fireball, I'd be surprised if there were any actual remains of the passengers or crew left. I'd hazard a guess that the black boxes have been destroyed as well.


Not necessarily. They're designed to with stand a lot of impact force.

Hmm. Not sure:

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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:03 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Not necessarily. They're designed to with stand a lot of impact force.

Hmm. Not sure:

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I wouldn’t count them out yet. They are both exceptionally sturdy, and placed in the tail of the aircraft.

They don’t tell you that in the safety instructions, but in the event of emergency, YOU may be used as a crumple zone.
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The New California Republic wrote:Hmm. Not sure:

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I wouldn’t count them out yet. They are both exceptionally sturdy, and placed in the tail of the aircraft.

They don’t tell you that in the safety instructions, but in the event of emergency, YOU may be used as a crumple zone.


Not sure disintegrating is the same as crumple.
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Galloism wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Hmm. Not sure:


I wouldn’t count them out yet. They are both exceptionally sturdy, and placed in the tail of the aircraft.

They don’t tell you that in the safety instructions, but in the event of emergency, YOU may be used as a crumple zone.

Of course. After all the recorders from Germanwings Flight 9525 that piled into the side of a mountain at 430 mph were recovered, so I guess it's possible.
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Postby Sundowers » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:15 pm

Aeritai wrote:What's with all of these plane crashes? If this keeps up people will never use air travel ever again.


the only two big ones have been this and lion air, and seeing as they were both Boeing Max 8s there is a possibility that the MCAS is responsible for this one as well as the Lion air crash.

You can read bout the MCAS here: https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safe ... cas-jt610/

TL;DR it is a Auto pilot of sorts that adjusts the planes pitch in certain conditions.

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Postby Andsed » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:19 pm

That is incredibly tragic and I give my condolences to friends and family of the victims.

Aeritai wrote:What's with all of these plane crashes? If this keeps up people will never use air travel ever again.

Uhh no. While some may call for better air safety people are not going to just stop using air travel as it is one of the fastest means of transportation.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:25 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Galloism wrote:I wouldn’t count them out yet. They are both exceptionally sturdy, and placed in the tail of the aircraft.

They don’t tell you that in the safety instructions, but in the event of emergency, YOU may be used as a crumple zone.


Not sure disintegrating is the same as crumple.

From a physics standpoint, the only difference is the amount of acceleration.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:36 pm

Andsed wrote:
Aeritai wrote:What's with all of these plane crashes? If this keeps up people will never use air travel ever again.

Uhh no. While some may call for better air safety people are not going to just stop using air travel as it is one of the fastest means of transportation.

I mean, it certainly was the case for airships because of Hindenberg etc, but it would take something truly cataclysmic to actually have any discernible effect on people's willingness to fly in planes, because we are quite dependent on it now.
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Postby Andsed » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:37 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Andsed wrote:
Uhh no. While some may call for better air safety people are not going to just stop using air travel as it is one of the fastest means of transportation.

I mean, it certainly was the case for airships because of Hindenberg etc, but it would take something truly cataclysmic to actually have any discernible effect on people's willingness to fly in planes, because we are quite dependent on it now.

Fair enough but I doubt anything bad enough to get people to quit air travel all together is going to come anytime soon.
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